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Is his shrinking spacetime stuff?
It's BFR that transports stuff to another dimension/spacetime where time doesn't flow
Scaling from OG Dragon Ball, he'd have above Class M LS, although Naruto has Class G so you're right.
Naruto is also most likely getting an upgrade for LS so Isshiki will go even higher (Wrath is just taking his time with it lmao)
But do those cubes even require Class G to be lifted?
The cubes completely crushed Naruto and Sasuke and can be moved by Isshiki himself so yeah.
Even then, why wouldn't Goku activate Kaioken and Zoom outta the way?
Doesn't Kaioken have serious side effects?
 
It's BFR that transports stuff to another dimension/spacetime where time doesn't flow
You right, that's where he fought Naruto and Sasuke, right?
I remember now, mb
Naruto is also most likely getting an upgrade for LS so Isshiki will go even higher (Wrath is just taking his time with it lmao
Scaling to the Six paths chibaku tensai?
The cubes completely crushed Naruto and Sasuke and can be moved by Isshiki himself so yeah
Yeah I remember now
Doesn't Kaioken have serious side effects?
Yeah, what Tit said. Goku won't use it over long periods of time, he knows that it could kill him, he will definitely use it as a get out of jail free card, like he did against Nappa.
 
You right, that's where he fought Naruto and Sasuke, right?
I remember now, mb
No, that was a different dimension. The one Isshiki BFRs non living stuff into is the dimension where Kawaki sealed Naruto.
Scaling to the Six paths chibaku tensai?
No but similar range.
Yeah, what Tit said. Goku won't use it over long periods of time, he knows that it could kill him, he will definitely use it as a get out of jail free card, like he did against Nappa.
Isshiki could just shrink whenever Goku uses Kaioken so he probably wouldn't be able to use it well against him.
 
Is there a reason Goku's AoE attacks wouldn't just kill a shrinked down Isshiki anyways? It's an 8x AP difference and it just takes one explosion.
 
Is there a reason Goku's AoE attacks wouldn't just kill a shrinked down Isshiki anyways? It's an 8x AP difference and it just takes one explosion.
Just not a normal strategy for Goku really. Blowing up huge chunks of area is normally reserved for antagonist in DB, whereas Goku and crew (Vegeta is the exception) typically appears to focus their attacks or have small scale explosions which don't cover areas that large.
 
Just not a normal strategy for Goku really. Blowing up huge chunks of area is normally reserved for antagonist in DB, whereas Goku and crew (Vegeta is the exception) typically appears to focus their attacks or have small scale explosions which don't cover areas that large.
Goku does an AoE Kiai against Burter and Jeice pretty early on into their fight. And if he needs to use an explosive blast to catch an opponent then I really don't see why he wouldn't go for it. Goku can also feel what people are going to do by feeling the flow of air currents. Which means he can possibly sense Isshiki's more forceful movements even when he's shrunken down and even if Isshiki is using cubes to block out his Ki Sense.

Realistically speaking if Goku catches onto Isshiki shrinking down or even if he just thinks Isshiki is using some sort of a movement or invisibility technique he'd opt for an AoE Kiai which would likely just knock him out. Even if Isshiki survives Goku can just follow up with a ki blast or something to finish it.
 
Didn't isshiki start out with hand to hand against baryon mode naruto? And just in general he's kind of a brawler too, and if he tries to engage in that with goku he is literally done for with a single blow realistically.
 
Didn't isshiki start out with hand to hand against baryon mode naruto? And just in general he's kind of a brawler too, and if he tries to engage in that with goku he is literally done for with a single blow realistically.
From what I saw of their fight, yes. So if Isshiki tries the same thing he will get stomped.
 
I mean what's the point of this match if ishikki is gonna be 4B?
It was already pointless because Goku stomped and the only win con Isshiki had would make the match invalid. Isshiki becoming 4-B just makes this match pointless in a different way.

As for another match after the CRT? It says the 4-B value would be 5,000x baseline so 146,150 Foe which is 146.15 KiloFoe. And the closest character to that value is...Super Saiyan Gotenks who is 658 KiloFoe. SS3 Gotenks, Ultimate Gohan, Super Buu, etc are all several times stronger than that. And Gotenks is 4.5x stronger and >2 billion times FTL to Isshiki's...28c value.

Could Isshiki beat Super Saiyan 1 Gotenks? Hell no. Could he beat Gotenks speed equalised? Well technically it's not a one shot gap and Gotenks is extremely cocky, arrogant and prone to showboating. So perhaps Isshiki has a shot. But if any argument for that requires his 10x Speed Sukunahikona? It would be invalid.
 
if i recall isshiki can teleport while shrunken down as jigen, so he should be able to avoid most of goku's attacks even aoe's.
 
if i recall isshiki can teleport while shrunken down as jigen, so he should be able to avoid most of goku's attacks even aoe's.
He doesn’t Teleport, even then Goku can literally atomize him with any attack. And he can’t even implement Chakra rods because of the durability difference.
 
He doesn’t Teleport, even then Goku can literally atomize him with any attack. And he can’t even implement Chakra rods because of the durability difference.
He does teleport. Either to his dimension or anywhere else. He can also just seal goku
 
Isshiki is not going to get a seal off on goku, it's not even really combat applicable, and he engages in hand to hand combat so he will immediately get slammed by goku when that happens. Goku can still also glare at him basically and win, he does this multiple times in the namek saga btw.
 
Isshiki is not going to get a seal off on goku, it's not even really combat applicable, and he engages in hand to hand combat so he will immediately get slammed by goku when that happens. Goku can still also glare at him basically and win, he does this multiple times in the namek saga btw.
I'm not sure what profile you are reading but it is 100% combat applicable. Both his eyes read energy levels so most definitely he won't go for hand to hand against goku. Actually in character his first thought is to just leave someone stranded in another dimension or seal them. Case and point naruto
 
Who's more skilled here between two characters? Because Isshiki may have the slight advantage as experienced in fighting Sasuke and Naruto
 
I'm not sure what profile you are reading but it is 100% combat applicable. Both his eyes read energy levels so most definitely he won't go for hand to hand against goku. Actually in character his first thought is to just leave someone stranded in another dimension or seal them. Case and point naruto
He can read energy levels yet went straight to hand to hand against naruto, even though naruto was capable of damaging him, and he didn't try to seal him or anything. So there is no reason isshiki, a brawler wouldn't do the same for goku. You're also ignoring how goku has started with kiai before which can one shot isshiki fairly easy, and just goku having superior ranged attacks and explosive properties.
 
Is there a reason Goku's AoE attacks wouldn't just kill a shrinked down Isshiki anyways? It's an 8x AP difference and it just takes one explosion.
Isshiki shrinks the AoE and then blasts it in Gokus face.

Or absorbs it if verse equalization is at play
 

I am the hope of the universe. I am the answer to all living things that cry out for peace. I am protector of the innocent. I am the light in the darkness. I am truth. Ally to good! Nightmare to you!​

- The last thing Isshiki hears before getting annihilated. GOATku wins FRA
idc what sub elitist say, this moment was RAW
 
Isshiki shrinks the AoE and then blasts it in Gokus face.

Or absorbs it if verse equalization is at play
Has he ever shrank blasts that can one shot him? Plus goku's kk aura would just blast him away, kk10 Kamehameha can also just take care of him.
 
Ishiki has never done that,
Isshiki shrunk Narutos rasengans the second he made them and same with Kojis fireballs.
especially since his battle iq is pretty dog water.
No it really isn't. He simply didn't need to take his opponents seriously given the billion times gap between them. And when he did it was someone who only used taijutsu and could sense Isshiki so it wouldn't help.
Why didn't he do that to naruto's baryan rasengan?
Real answer: we don't know, most likely PIS for a cool shot.
Headcanon: He simply got blitzed.
Can ishikki even see goku using kk10 and getting almost blitzed?
Isshiki could react to BM Naruto who scales over sukonahikona which is 10x faster than Isshiki himself. And that was without even using the byakugan which greatly enhances reaction speed.
 

-He got caught offguard by Sasuke and Boruto and even that was essentially inconsequential as he could have just returned whenever he wanted to.
-He spams the BFR in question (shrinking objects), that spamming is literally exactly how Boruto "outsmarted" him.
 
also even if speed is equal, Isshiki's Dojutsu isn't durability-negating hax, he stabs you with tiny rods then makes it big again

except he can't pierce Goku's skin due to the AP difference and passive aura

so it wouldn't work regardless

he can shrink Ki Blasts sure but then goku punches him and there's nothing he can do
 
Okay then either close this, or change the character, but tbh, the outcome pretty much remains the same. It just becomes a little less of a stomp I'm pretty sure, with our characters being above baseline 4-B exclusively. Have to check the values but cry laid it out pretty nicely.


It was already pointless because Goku stomped and the only win con Isshiki had would make the match invalid. Isshiki becoming 4-B just makes this match pointless in a different way.

As for another match after the CRT? It says the 4-B value would be 5,000x baseline so 146,150 Foe which is 146.15 KiloFoe. And the closest character to that value is...Super Saiyan Gotenks who is 658 KiloFoe. SS3 Gotenks, Ultimate Gohan, Super Buu, etc are all several times stronger than that. And Gotenks is 4.5x stronger and >2 billion times FTL to Isshiki's...28c value.

Could Isshiki beat Super Saiyan 1 Gotenks? Hell no. Could he beat Gotenks speed equalised? Well technically it's not a one shot gap and Gotenks is extremely cocky, arrogant and prone to showboating. So perhaps Isshiki has a shot. But if any argument for that requires his 10x Speed Sukunahikona? It would be invalid.
 
also even if speed is equal, Isshiki's Dojutsu isn't durability-negating hax, he stabs you with tiny rods then makes it big again
They're considered dura neg
Durability Negation (An offensive application of Sukunahikona, Shibai/Isshiki can shrink his attacks down to such a granular size that they can easily pass through the conventional durability of the opponent. Once inside, Shibai/Isshiki can then enlarge these attacks back to their original size and cause severe internal damage as a result)
he can shrink Ki Blasts sure but then goku punches him and there's nothing he can do
He can dodge quite easily and blast Goku with his own attacks. Or simply wait around until Goku runs out of juice
 
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