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Goku Vs Isshiki.
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Accidentally put this in CRT I see, so moved it for you
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Goku FRA
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If this is not Freiza Fight Namek Goku, Isshiki would actually have the speed advantage until Kaoiken x10. Sukunahikona is his Dojutsu so it should always be active, which would allow him time to use his shrinking to avoid attacks from Goku and hide. That, his resistance to sensing and Black Rods does actually give him a win condition here which he might be able to levy for some victories
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At the start of the fight, Isshiki would have the the speed advantage, until Kaioken at least.59 Quettatons (Goku) to 8 quettatons (Isshiki), Goku blitzes, and outscales.. A one shot difference, so yeah.
Would he be able to shrink ki blasts?
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Goku starts in base
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Goku's first Low 4-C key is against Freeza after his Zenkai boost. That key is listed as >2,160c whereas Isshiki's Doujutsu is 287c. And that's before Goku uses any Kaio-Ken multipliers.
So Goku has around an 8x AP advantage and is nearly 8x faster. And can multiply his stats by up to 20x.
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Goku has a one shot gap and a speed gap, to where the fight would be over if isshiki tried any physical attack or if goku attacked first. If isshiki uses his rods to try and damage goku at first, goku would know to take him seriously and end the fight before he gets anymore abilities off anyways. Goku has things like kiai which can can heavily damage or even one shot, typical ki blast spam ofc, and just superior in every physical way. I vote goku.
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Bro, Goku only hits 4-C against Frieza. His 4th key makes him faster than isshiki.
So voting Goku FRA.
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Stats on his page say he's 108× FTL so don't blame me for the confusion, but fair enough, counted
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GOATku FRA.
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Yeah Goku FRA.
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Unequalizing speed for the guy who blitz and one shots is crazy. What's the point of this match?
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Looks like Goku outstats Goku FRA
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Y'all want me to equalize the speed? Goku still has Kaioken to make up
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Correct me if I'm wrong but if you equalise speed wouldn't Isshiki's Doujutsu still scale above 10x his own speed? Which would then render his main win con (his Doujutsu hax) invalid because he is slower than Goku normally?
So as it stands Goku beats Isshiki, probably outright stomps, and if you equalise speed then even if Isshiki can win it'd be via his Doujutsu being 10x above their equalised speed. So either Goku wins or the match is just invalid.
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Goku with kaioken matches this speed so if ishikki wins the major reason would have nothing to do with being faster.
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If you do that then people got to revote. Coz they were voting a stomp match prior
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That's assuming Goku goes for a Kaio-Ken X10 against a much weaker opponent. Whereas Isshiki's Doujutsu is integral to his fighting style.
If Isshiki doesn't immediately use his Doujutsu then Goku would just one shot him.
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Goku could fight and injure hit no problem in base yet he still went blue for a speed amp to deal with hit time skip better. For this same reason he used kaikon. Goku would definitely use amps for speed if it is necessary for dealing with abilities. Also ishikki always uses his doujutsu like every time.
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Okay. So Since Isshiki always uses his Doujutsu that means he's effectively 10x faster with his ability usage. Which means he'll use his hax 10x faster than Goku will use the Kaio-Ken X10.
Which means Isshiki wins via invalid reasons (Speed advantage via speed equalisation + speed amp when he'd otherwise be blitzed by Goku).
And if we argue Goku just goes for a X10 or X20 Kaio-Ken here then he just blitzes and one shots anyways.
So the only way Isshiki can win this fight is via invalid arguments. So this is either a stomp (for Goku) or just invalid (for Isshiki).
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Fugg it speed equal.
Y'all gon have to vote again
Y'all gon have to vote again
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Incon FRA
Incon FRA
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If speed is equal, it doesn't change much because goku can still beat isshiki with like any move, like a kiai, or ki blast spam. Isshiki also likes to go for hand to hand combat as seen in his fight with naruto, so if it comes down to that, goku just absolutely dominates in every way.
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Like I said the only realistic wincon Isshiki has is via using his Sukunahikona but that's a 10x speed amp over his baseline speed and Goku is less likely to use a Kaio-Ken X10 against him. So the only realistic wincon Isshiki has would render the result invalid. And if Isshiki goes for anything but Sukunahikona then Goku will just one shot and win.
There is no circumstance here where Isshiki has a valid wincon AFAIK. He either gets stomped or his win is invalid via a speed advantage he would otherwise not have against a faster opponent.
So Goku FRA but I would argue this is just an invalid matchup. Either Goku stomps or Isshiki wins via invalid means.
There is no circumstance here where Isshiki has a valid wincon AFAIK. He either gets stomped or his win is invalid via a speed advantage he would otherwise not have against a faster opponent.
So Goku FRA but I would argue this is just an invalid matchup. Either Goku stomps or Isshiki wins via invalid means.
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Before this fight goes any further, because the OP isn't very clear, Is Frieza Fight Goku being used for this fight or Post Gravity Training Goku? Both of these are Frieza Saga Goku. There is only a fight with proper win cons on both side with Post Gravity Training Goku, not Frieza Fight goku.
Post Gravity Training Goku is slower than Isshiki until Kaioken x10 which gives him a window to take the fight there and for that to be a valid win as Isshiki holds that speed advantage without speed equal.
Post Gravity Training Goku is slower than Isshiki until Kaioken x10 which gives him a window to take the fight there and for that to be a valid win as Isshiki holds that speed advantage without speed equal.
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Post Gravity Training Goku would only be 5-A tho, right?
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Nevermind, I truly just kept getting the key assortment wrong. Frieza Fight Goku is the only one in the same tier as Isshiki.
So I do believe this is either a stomp due to Goku's speed advantage or doesn't work as a match with speed equalized as that's the only way Isshiki has any chance at a fight against Frieza Fight Goku as a speed blitz
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Ishikki would be baseline 4B by tomorrow. So this match is gonna change pretty soon
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Lolwut
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But then I could simply change his opponent
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Would he be able to do this to energy blasts with higher AP than him?
Decent point
Wouldn't Goku be able to toss them aside like how Naruto did?
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Goku has weaker LS than Naruto
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Why would AP be a relevant factor to spacetime BFR?
Gokus LS is much lower (unknown in this key actually) so he'd get crushed and immobilized
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Is his shrinking spacetime stuff?
Scaling from OG Dragon Ball, he'd have above Class M LS, although Naruto has Class G so you're right.
But do those cubes even require Class G to be lifted?
Even then, why wouldn't Goku activate Kaioken and Zoom outta the way?
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