Final Fantasy 16 discussion thread

[ArkhamDC06]

^So basically Jill further solidified FFX Shiva as still the best version of the ice queen, gotcha!

I'd kind of argue XV had the best version considering how powerful she is and her showings in the game but I don't necessarily disagree even though Jill is not the best character in the game and Shiva isn't my favorite summon in the series, nor my favorite Eikon

 

[Dalesean027]

Had anyone picked up Clive's profile yet?

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Had anyone picked up Clive's profile yet?

From what I know, somebody is supposed to deal with him but I can't tell who exactly

 

[Dust_Collector]

Yeah I swear someone said they were working on Clive, can't remember who

 

[ArkhamDC06]

So are we ready to make profiles or do we need something else (like Clive's being posted first)?

 

[Dalesean027]

So are we ready to make profiles or do we need something else (like Clive's being posted first)?

I mean if for the ones we already have if they are all good to go, I don't see why we couldn't put out the ones that are done entirely

 

[Dust_Collector]

Yeah I plan on publishing Ultima either tomorrow or next week

 

[Dust_Collector]

Last things I'm touching up now are range and intelligence which are almost done. Only thing I gotta start doing is fleshing out the abilities he gets from the Eikons, I was originally just gonna link to the profiles of each Dominant / Eikon but since most of them aren't ready yet I just need to add scans of them using their abilities.

 

[Smiles98]

You guys got it covered but im just going to list what I’ve noticed each Eikon gives Clive incase anything has been missed:

Ifrit: Fire manipulation, regeneration (via priming), Will-ó-the-Wykes that nullify/absorb damage.

Phoenix: Regeneration/healing, teleportation, barriers superior to basic Magicked Barriers (nigh impervious barriers that no magic nor matter can cross). Phoenix barriers can temporarily block and deflect matter erasing attacks as seen when it not only held off Odin’s attack that split the ocean but diverted it from its original path. Sealing, capable of sealing foes way stronger than their own power.

Garuda, Titan, Ramuh, Leviathan, Bahamut: Basic elemental manipulation for wind, earth, lightning, water and light.

Shiva: Ice manipulation and flash-freezing. Theoretically should be able to freeze time like Timekeeper and Shiva’s previous dominant.

Odin: Gives Odin’s blade which is verbatim stated to be capable of cutting anything by the god of the verse (meaning it can cut space, time, souls, spirits, and theoretically Omega’s creation constricting moves), time manipulation via Rift Slip, and the Glazheim Wall that blocks all corporeal and magical attacks.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

I mean if for the ones we already have if they are all good to go, I don't see why we couldn't put out the ones that are done entirely

I just need the stamina and Barnabas will be ready

 

[ArkhamDC06]

You guys got it covered but im just going to list what I’ve noticed each Eikon gives Clive incase anything has been missed:

Ifrit: Fire manipulation, regeneration (via priming), Will-ó-the-Wykes that nullify/absorb damage.

Phoenix: Regeneration/healing, teleportation, barriers superior to basic Magicked Barriers (nigh impervious barriers that no magic nor matter can cross). Phoenix barriers can temporarily block and deflect matter erasing attacks as seen when it not only held off Odin’s attack that split the ocean but diverted it from its original path. Sealing, capable of sealing foes way stronger than their own power.

Garuda, Titan, Ramuh, Leviathan, Bahamut: Basic elemental manipulation for wind, earth, lightning, water and light.

Shiva: Ice manipulation and flash-freezing. Theoretically should be able to freeze time like Timekeeper and Shiva’s previous dominant.

Odin: Gives Odin’s blade which is verbatim stated to be capable of cutting anything by the god of the verse (meaning it can cut space, time, souls, spirits, and theoretically Omega’s creation constricting moves), time manipulation via Rift Slip, and the Glazheim Wall that blocks all corporeal and magical attacks.

Shouldn't he have Ultima's sort-of-Eikon abilities from the DLC? Also, how would they translate in terms of abilities? I think they could go this way:

Ascension: Additional Limb (Grants wings), Flight, Statistics Amplification (Clive's attacks are greatly increased in terms of damages and reach) & Holy Manipulation (since the abilities Clive unlocks are divine in nature)

Proselytize: Energy Manipulation & Projection/Fire Manipulation (Blasts enemies with arches of aether or what seems to be blue divine fire), possibly Space Manip (Clive seems to tear open the fabric of space itself when he uses the ability but I'm not really sure)

Dominion: Creation plus maybe Crystal Manipulation (Conjures large pillars from the ground to skewer enemies, pillars look like they're made of crystal)

Voice of God: Light/Energy Manipulation & Projection (Calls forth a huge beam of blue light/energy with Clive either disappearing or turning into the beam depending on how you look at it)

Ultimate Demise: Gravity Manipulation & Explosion Manipulation (The ability's description states it draws in small enemies and causes a powerful explosion)

 

[ArkhamDC06]

So we've established that Bahamut/Dion, Odin/Barnabas and Dominion Clive (Bahamut boss fight/post-Titan) are Low 6-B but what tiers do the other Eikons/Dominant have? Been planning to make profiles for Jill/Shiva, Hugo/Titan and Leviathan, that's why I'm asking (Hugo in particular gonna be pretty hard considering hiss fight)

 

[Smiles98]

So we've established that Bahamut/Dion, Odin/Barnabas and Dominion Clive (Bahamut boss fight/post-Titan) are Low 6-B but what tiers do the other Eikons/Dominant have? Been planning to make profiles for Jill/Shiva, Hugo/Titan and Leviathan, that's why I'm asking (Hugo in particular gonna be pretty hard considering hiss fight)

They should all be relative, or at most a single tier below. Like yeah Odin would smoke Garuda easily but the narrative for the Eikons being somewhat relative is there.

 

[Dalesean027]

So we've established that Bahamut/Dion, Odin/Barnabas and Dominion Clive (Bahamut boss fight/post-Titan) are Low 6-B but what tiers do the other Eikons/Dominant have? Been planning to make profiles for Jill/Shiva, Hugo/Titan and Leviathan, that's why I'm asking (Hugo in particular gonna be pretty hard considering hiss fight)

High 6-C for the others unless we want them to downscale the low 6-B

If we don't downscale the weakest ifrit at the start vs Phoenix is 91 gigatons so they'd upscale to High 6-C

 

[Dalesean027]

This is officially everything we have as of now for profiles

Characters and Abilities:
Magik and Dominants:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Dust_Collector/Sandbox6
Dion/Bahamut

Dust Collector/Sandbox8

vsbattles.fandom.com

Ultima

Dust Collector/Sandbox9

vsbattles.fandom.com

Barnabas

Barnabas Tharmr

vsbattles.fandom.com

Calculations:

Benedikta Tornado Energy

vsbattles.fandom.com

Eikon Height's Final fantasy 16

vsbattles.fandom.com

Final Fantasy 16 calc compilation 1 (Eikonic feats vol 1)

vsbattles.fandom.com

Final Fantasy 16 calc compilation 2

vsbattles.fandom.com

Final Fantasy 16 calc compilation 3

vsbattles.fandom.com

Ifrit evaporates Leviathan's Tsumani (FF16)

vsbattles.fandom.com

Phoenix Saves Ifrit from Bahamut's Light (FFXVI)

vsbattles.fandom.com

Final Fantasy XVI Ultima's Storm Recalc

vsbattles.fandom.com

@ArkhamDC06

 

[Dust_Collector]

Leviathan is def Low 6-B since he's fights Ifrit after he's beaten Odin, I think Titan could probs get the rating given there's not too much time between his fight and Bahamut but I think it'd be best he get's a "likely" before the rating.

 

[Cyberblader90]

Leviathan is technically post omega. Shula's brother Famiel from Echoes of the Fallen is in the Rising Tide and acknowledges Omega fight already happened

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Leviathan is def Low 6-B since he's fights Ifrit after he's beaten Odin, I think Titan could probs get the rating given there's not too much time between his fight and Bahamut but I think it'd be best he get's a "likely" before the rating.

We could go for "High 6-C, likely Low 6-B"

 

[Dalesean027]

We could go for "High 6-C, likely Low 6-B"

I think this is best that way we can still downscale base goons to 6-C+ for clive downscaling Garuda and scaling to Shiva somewhat

 

[ArkhamDC06]

So now what?

 

[Dalesean027]

No other opinions on it have been offered lol

 

[Dalesean027]

 

[Dalesean027]

So now what?

Are we still doing this btw?

We could go for "High 6-C, likely Low 6-B"

Because I had mentioned their bases being able to downscale the High 6-C still, example

6-C+, High 6-C with Semi-Priming and likely low 6-B as Garuda

Or

6-C+, High 6-C likely low 6-B with Semi-Priming and as Garuda


Also kinda the same deal with Dion and Barnabas cause they'd be similar as well

6-C+, High 6-C with Semi-Priming, Low 6-B as Bahamut

Or

6-C+, Low 6-B with Semi-Priming and as Bahamut

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Are we still doing this btw?

Because I had mentioned their bases being able to downscale the High 6-C still, example

6-C+, High 6-C with Semi-Priming and likely low 6-B as Garuda

Or

6-C+, High 6-C likely low 6-B with Semi-Priming and as Garuda


Also kinda the same deal with Dion and Barnabas cause they'd be similar as well

6-C+, High 6-C with Semi-Priming, Low 6-B as Bahamut

Or

6-C+, Low 6-B with Semi-Priming and as Bahamut

For Barnabas at least, I'm more enclined to chose the second option considering he one-shot a fully primed Shiva without even wearing his armor let alone priming, which clearly puts him on a different level

 

[Dalesean027]

For Barnabas at least, I'm more enclined to chose the second option considering he one-shot a fully primed Shiva without even wearing his armor let alone priming, which clearly puts him on a different level

Thats true in that case his base should also be like High 6-C likely low 6-B then if not just outright low 6-B

 

[Dalesean027]

I completely forgot Clive can use Garuda to grapple and pull a lot of guys, he has some decent LS feats

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Replaying FFXV rn. God I love this game even with its missing parts and potential. I can't help but wonder how Noctis and Clive would act if they met each other

 

[Dalesean027]

Replaying FFXV rn. God I love this game even with its missing parts and potential. I can't help but wonder how Noctis and Clive would act if they met each other

They'd definitely share similarities moreso than if a few other FF protags met

 

[AlphaOmegaV1]

Replaying FFXV rn. God I love this game even with its missing parts and potential. I can't help but wonder how Noctis and Clive would act if they met each other

Aside from Noct being shoved down everyone's throats, FFXV is still a good game and absolutely shares quite a few similarities to XVI. Plus...Noct and Co are due for an update when I get to them.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Aside from Noct being shoved down everyone's throats, FFXV is still a good game and absolutely shares quite a few similarities to XVI.

You mean when they were constantly focusing on him?

Plus...Noct and Co are due for an update when I get to them.

Don't how far you are for that rn but can I have some details, especially tiers if you have one in mind? XV is one of my favorite FF games and you could say it's special for me for several reasons so I'm quite interested

 

[ArkhamDC06]

They'd definitely share similarities moreso than if a few other FF protags met

I wonder how they would react to each other's world. Like on Eos, the summons/Astrals are gods so Noct would probably be very weirded out by the idea of Dominants and the opposite would also be interesting

 

[AlphaOmegaV1]

Don't how far you are for that rn but can I have some details, especially tiers if you have one in mind? XV is one of my favorite FF games and you could say it's special for me for several reasons so I'm quite interested

Well I just finished up with my revisions for FFXIII so I'm not touching that again for a while, plus me and Tarta finally got FFVIII's revisions to pass. XV and maybe XIV were ones that I wanted to do next. For FFXV I have some ideas since their is alot of lore surrounding the Kings of Lucis, Ardyn's Darkness, plus...the planned Season 2 DLC was converted into a novel in which...something happens.

Though before that there's a different SQEX JRPG series that I plan to overhaul.

 

[Dalesean027]

 

[AlphaOmegaV1]

Ngl, kinda surprised FFXVI outdid VII Rebirth, not complaining though...

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Ngl, kinda surprised FFXVI outdid VII Rebirth, not complaining though...

Split on it on my part. On the one hand, Rebirth has some major flaws and tends to be pretty tedious at times. On the other hand, it's still FFVII so I have no choice but to like it and I can't help but really like the direction they're going for (even it's fan service). So to me, Rebirth and XVI are on the same level of quality. With an advantage for Rebirth since it has elements like Sephiroth (yeah, still the best FF villain and one of the greatest villains of all times to me)

 

[sageof8paths]

Am I the only one that thinks we should probably investigate that mid game Ultima blackhole stuff a bit?

 

[Dalesean027]

Am I the only one that thinks we should probably investigate that mid game Ultima blackhole stuff a bit?

Eh you'd need a lot to prove its a real legitimate black hole and visuals do really matter as well, I honestly don't think it'd have what it takes to qualify

 

[sageof8paths]

Eh you'd need a lot to prove its a real legitimate black hole and visuals do really matter as well, I honestly don't think it'd have what it takes to qualify

i wish we could get some secondary material. any luck with the ultimania translations?

 

[Smiles98]

Eh you'd need a lot to prove its a real legitimate black hole and visuals do really matter as well, I honestly don't think it'd have what it takes to qualify

Does including “Event Horizon” as the name of the move when the black holes spawn help at all? Since that’s the scientific term associated

 

[Dust_Collector]

Does including “Event Horizon” as the name of the move when the black holes spawn help at all? Since that’s the scientific term associated

Not really, it helps shows the move is meant to represent a black hole or be the typical fictional version of a black hole but doesn't really help prove it's an actual, proper black hole.