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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Nullflowerblush said:
The chart uses terms like rekishi (歴史, "history"), heikō sekai (並行世界, "parallel world"), and jidai (時代, "era") but, all of a sudden, uses uchū (宇宙, "universe") once?
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Yeah this is the same website where zeno is described as the greatest god in the "universe", you get the point.
 
You can make a very strong argument for the Battle of Gods film taking place in-continuity with GT, given how frequently Toei themselves does so.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
'Explain away' lol no I explained why they aren't legitimate and mostly involve you trying to be as reductive as possible with every point or just generally misinterpreting my arguements. Like you did just now.

I'm not saying these lore drops 'changed' anything, but they did give the universe a bigger scope, adding to the pantheon of God's that was growing stale and explaining the demon realm's role in the creation of the world our cast is interacting with and has interacted with. There's been a lot of speculation from knowledge figures that there are still more stories to tell and things to explore in the Demon Realm, and these lore drops both give potential stories for Super, creation of the multiverse, as well for possible Daima season 2 with unexplored places inside the demon realm.

Also I'm not downplaying the pacing issue by explaining basic plot structure works. I was explaining how baseless the arguement is that said structure is inherently bad.

So the lore drops did all that as listed above, while expanding largely in touched places in the universe's timeline. You've found a very specific standard and requirement something has to fill in order to qualify as good, and anything that could potentially serve a different role is bad just because.

Duu and Kuu have largely limited screen time compared to the main cast, so outside the final fight and Tanagami 1 fight, most of what they do is interact with each other characters, which showed us Arinsu and most of the Demon Royal Kingdom is far from evil.

So for side characters, they absolutely do enough imo. Same with Panzy. She's actively involved as much as she reasonably can given she's not a fighter.

Gomah's gimmick was that pure power would just never work to bear him. He'd always adapt. Cell and Buu could be overpowered and had their advantages taken away, but not with Gomah.

I find that sort of road block plenty interesting, as not even working together or brand new transformations can net a win. Even becoming adults really only turned the tides momentarily, even SSJ4 probably wouldn't be enough in its own to win. Instead it's the one demon made with the intent to be used to rule the demon realm who comes in and saves it.

It's a bit like earth giving energy for the spirit bomb to finally defeat kid buu, as the place that needs saving helps the cast fight for it.

So yeah it's repetitive, but that was mostly like the point to get across the fact the cast can't brute force their way to a win. You can not like that, fine, but don't treat that as an objective flaw. Just say you didn't like it instead of calling people ignorant and saying everything you say is fact.

This'll be the last essay I type up because I doubt either of us will change our minds and the being as uncharitable as possible with arguements thing has already gotten old.
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You're trying to twist this into "I have a specific standard and refuse to accept anything outside of it," but that's not the case. My argument is simple: lore should matter to the story being told. Expanding the world building is fine, but if that's the only thing it does and it doesn’t serve the current narrative in any meaningful way, then it IS fluff, because if you remove them the plot doesn't change at all, especially in a series already struggling with pacing. It doesn't matter if these lore drops could potentially lead to new stories later; right now, in Daima, they’re just fluff...

As for the pacing, you keep making it sound like I'm just misunderstanding "how stories work." That’s condescending and completely ignores my actual point. Yes, stories have moments of slower progression but the issue here is the ENTIRE series is slow paced and nothing excuse that bad pacing. The issue isn't that episodes are slower; it's that they feel empty—filled with minor battles and lore dumps instead of major plot advancements. Saying, "Well, they're traveling, so it's progress" is a weak justification when that progress is neither engaging nor eventful.

Duu and Kuu interact with the cast, but that alone doesn’t make them engaging. If they can be removed without the plot changing, then they weren’t necessary, therefore they are useless shit. The same goes for Panzy, her involvement is so minimal that her presence hardly matters. You're just listing things she did, but those actions weren’t impactful enough to justify her existence at all.

As for the final battle...in other words you're essentially saying repetition was the point? But just because it was intentionally repetitive doesn’t make it good lmfao. Like, If that was "the point," then it was a bad point.
 
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Add some ...

"I wanted it to be like this and not that" - sayers
"Crying about things that were never set in stone" - sayers
" soft retcon" cry babies
" I wanted more cosmology and destruction feats" battleboarding cry babies

The super secret ingredient no one is aware of, Dragonball consumers cant read gluten free edition ...

Voila: Daima criticism in less than 5 mins cooking time

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Jinsama said:
Add some ...

"I wanted it to be like this and not that" - sayers
"Crying about things that were never set in stone" - sayers
" soft retcon" cry babies
" I wanted more cosmology and destruction feats" battleboarding cry babies

The super secret ingredient no one is aware of, Dragonball consumers cant read gluten free edition ...

Voila: Daima criticism in less than 5 mins cooking time

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“Hohohoho! It’s seems to be over for you, and the rest of your kin, Son Goku! I, the great Frieza, have displayed you all as soyjacks and me as the chad!”
 
According to the V Jump x Saikyō Jump SSSS Project, the Episode of Bardock OVA, final five episodes of the Dragon Ball TV anime (i.e., Goku and Chi-Chi's pre-marital filler), the Garlic Jr. Saga (and, thus, the film Dead Zone), Dragon Ball Z episodes 124 and 125 (i.e., Trunks-Android Saga interlude), and the Other World Saga.

An argument could be made that, being "anime-original episodes", they are directly acknowledged to be non-canon. However, not only are the included anime-original episodes a hand-selected fraction of the myriad of TV anime and film-original filler, but they are also included in Daizenshuu 7's chronology; in fact, Daizenshuu 7 additionally references Dragon Ball episodes 73 through 83 (i.e., Fortuneteller Baba-Tien Shinhan Saga interlude), the film Dead Zone directly, Dragon Ball Z episodes 9 through 17 (i.e., Raditz-Vegeta Saga interlude), episode 20 (and the character of Gregory), episode 50, and episode 170, and the film Cooler's Revenge. Said references are then reiterated in Chōzenshū 4's chronology, further establishing their legitimacy.
 
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