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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

Speaking of PS2 emulation

Random to mention but in SEGA Superstars Tennis, NiGHTS (and other playable characters) can obtain all Chaos Emeralds.
I know this isn't a "NiGHTS Into Dreams... General Discussion Thread" but since they're canon, and their page only mention the Sky Emerald thanks to Sonic Riders' tag mode, I thought it could be a fun fact at least.
I'd love to share a screenshot of it, but I don't think VS Battle Wiki lets me upload images directly. Instead, I need a link, and Discord links just choose to not work sometimes, so. yeah
 
MysticMania said:
Speaking of PS2 emulation

Random to mention but in SEGA Superstars Tennis, NiGHTS (and other playable characters) can obtain all Chaos Emeralds.
I know this isn't a "NiGHTS Into Dreams... General Discussion Thread" but since they're canon, and their page only mention the Sky Emerald thanks to Sonic Riders' tag mode, I thought it could be a fun fact at least.
I'd love to share a screenshot of it, but I don't think VS Battle Wiki lets me upload images directly. Instead, I need a link, and Discord links just choose to not work sometimes, so. yeah
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This is absolutely the appropriate place to talk about NiGHTS
 
MysticMania said:
Speaking of PS2 emulation

Random to mention but in SEGA Superstars Tennis, NiGHTS (and other playable characters) can obtain all Chaos Emeralds.
I know this isn't a "NiGHTS Into Dreams... General Discussion Thread" but since they're canon, and their page only mention the Sky Emerald thanks to Sonic Riders' tag mode, I thought it could be a fun fact at least.
I'd love to share a screenshot of it, but I don't think VS Battle Wiki lets me upload images directly. Instead, I need a link, and Discord links just choose to not work sometimes, so. yeah
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I don't think Sega Superstars Tennis is canon, sadly.
 
So, Sonic used to have antimatter resistance at one point, why did it get removed? He straight up gets caught within Diablon's Antimatter Cannon's blast to no effect. What was the argument for it being removed?
 
McFriesGuy075 said:
So, Sonic used to have antimatter resistance at one point, why did it get removed? He straight up gets caught within Diablon's Antimatter Cannon's blast to no effect. What was the argument for it being removed?
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It's very vivid in my memory but, if I remember correctly: that bit of Sonic not being affected by the Antimatter Cannon was seen as gameplay mechanics pertaining to the boss itself, since Shadow visibly reacted to being hit by the attack.

I'd ask @JJSliderman about this since I think he was the one who removed that resistance.
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
It's very vivid in my memory but, if I remember correctly: that bit of Sonic not being affected by the Antimatter Cannon was seen as gameplay mechanics pertaining to the boss itself, since Shadow visibly reacted to being hit by the attack.

I'd ask @JJSliderman about this since I think he was the one who removed that resistance.
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So anything that NPCs get hit by and arent affected in gameplay don't count? Surely it's only the ones that affect Shadow right? Characters can react to attacks that would be able to harm Shadow.
 
McFriesGuy075 said:
So anything that NPCs get hit by and arent affected in gameplay don't count? Surely it's only the ones that affect Shadow right? Characters can react to attacks that would be able to harm Shadow.
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Okay I found the thread and this is what was argued:

Matter/Antimatter resistance for Sonic: Firstly, matter manip is pretty debatable to apply to Sonic to begin with, as the only explicit matter manip weapon in Shadow’s game is the particle beam cannon in the Blue Falcon and Heavy Dog fights, fights Sonic doesn’t appear in. But since Diablon is a superior model and has a laser with a similar color as the PBC, maybe you could argue a possibly.

The bigger issue is that Sonic never actually gets hit by this weapon. He just passes straight through, likely because it would be a dumb design choice from a gameplay standpoint to make the boss hurt its own ally. And yes, Sonic can get hurt in this fight by Shadow. Since Sonic never gets hurt or even affected by the weapons of Diablon, there’s no reason he should have a resistance.

Some may argue that canonically Sonic did get hit, or that he’s still in the range of the boss’s attack and thus is still receiving antimatter into him, but that just causes inconsistencies when Shadow also gets hit by the weapon, and does take damage from it. And since this weapon only appears in gameplay, there’s no way to tell canonically if Sonic was hit. I’d also say the same for Black Doom but, I need to check if he can get hit in the multiplayer.
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Ah yeah I remember that. I tried looking into what bosses in Shadow05 had the matter/antimatter manipulation, but nothing from any of Sonic's boss fights brought anything up.
 
I thought the whole timestream thing only applied to Black Doom since, as far as I know, the Time Eater doesn't have any statements like that.
 
I think Gerald implied it’s just a universal aspect of the timestream, like if it’s left alone it can self-heal.

Also, is it fair to give all super forms the hax gotten from destroying the cosmology, just cuz Solaris could after absorbing the chaos emeralds? Could it not just be unique attributes from mixing Solaris’s god physiology with the Emeralds? I don’t recall other super forms as being able to harm the cosmology in the same way or have the same range.
 
JJSliderman said:
I think Gerald implied it’s just a universal aspect of the timestream, like if it’s left alone it can self-heal.
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That was about time traveling and changing the past, not White Space nonexistence, what are you talking about?

JJSliderman said:
Also, is it fair to give all super forms the hax gotten from destroying the cosmology, just cuz Solaris could after absorbing the chaos emeralds? Could it not just be unique attributes from mixing Solaris’s god physiology with the Emeralds? I don’t recall other super forms as being able to harm the cosmology in the same way or have the same range.
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Good theory... prove it, they are using the same things, they should have the same powers
 
This damn notification glitch lol, always haunting me.

Sonic Question Time: If you could guarantee a crossover appearance in the upcoming CrossWorlds title, which character would it be?

I think, aside from NiGHTS, it would be cool to see somebody like DJ Professor K from Jet Set Radio would be an amazing choice (especially since Jet Set Radio is supposed to be getting an upcoming game)
 
Omegabronic said:
That was about time traveling and changing the past, not White Space nonexistence, what are you talking about?
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It’s talking about the general idea of space time healing itself and shifting back into place if pivotal events are restored.
Omegabronic said:
Good theory... prove it, they are using the same things, they should have the same powers
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Why? Just because you use the same power plant to power both a car and a toaster, doesn’t mean the toaster will move at 50 miles an hour.
 
ShakeResounding said:
This damn notification glitch lol, always haunting me.

Sonic Question Time: If you could guarantee a crossover appearance in the upcoming CrossWorlds title, which character would it be?
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just to **** around...Steve from Minecraft
ShakeResounding said:
I think, aside from NiGHTS, it would be cool to see somebody like DJ Professor K from Jet Set Radio would be an amazing choice (especially since Jet Set Radio is supposed to be getting an upcoming game)
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JJSliderman said:
It’s talking about the general idea of space time healing itself and shifting back into place if pivotal events are restored.
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Time, not space, and he is talking in the context of past events being altered via time travel, nothing else

JJSliderman said:
Why? Just because you use the same power plant to power both a car and a toaster, doesn’t mean the toaster will move at 50 miles an hour.
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If said powerplant is what gave you the abilities in the first place, and in base you had nothing even remotely close to that, then the power is from the plant, not you
 
ShakeResounding said:
This damn notification glitch lol, always haunting me.

Sonic Question Time: If you could guarantee a crossover appearance in the upcoming CrossWorlds title, which character would it be?

I think, aside from NiGHTS, it would be cool to see somebody like DJ Professor K from Jet Set Radio would be an amazing choice (especially since Jet Set Radio is supposed to be getting an upcoming game)
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PLEASE bring back Billy Hatcher, that's all I ask...
 
Omegabronic said:
Time, not space, and he is talking in the context of past events being altered via time travel, nothing else
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I’m sure Gerald is aware of the erasure of space time as well, given he knows a lot about white space
Omegabronic said:
If said powerplant is what gave you the abilities in the first place, and in base you had nothing even remotely close to that, then the power is from the plant, not you
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Solaris was already a deity centered around time, chaos emeralds could simply have augmented those into timeline destruction.
 
JJSliderman said:
I’m sure Gerald is aware of the erasure of space time as well, given he knows a lot about white space
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Why the strawman? I never said he didn't know of the erasure? he can see it himself?

Now... stop with the tangent and address my point?

JJSliderman said:
Solaris was already a deity centered around time, chaos emeralds could simply have augmented those into timeline destruction.
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You affirming things without proving does nothing to me, prove Solaris was centered around destruction as well, or space, as you know... SPACE-time was endangered, not only time

"could" means nothing here without any evidence, Solaris could be a duck in disguise
 
Omegabronic said:
Why the strawman? I never said he didn't know of the erasure? he can see it himself?

Now... stop with the tangent and address my point?
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If Gerald knows about white space and that space time is erased, why would he only be talking about time paradox stuff? Time is inherently linked to space, so if time is reshifting itself then so is space.
Omegabronic said:
You affirming things without proving does nothing to me, prove Solaris was centered around destruction as well, or space, as you know... SPACE-time was endangered, not only time

"could" means nothing here without any evidence, Solaris could be a duck in disguise
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I think it moreso needs to be proven Sonic can achieve the same things with the chaos emeralds just because they have the same power amping them, because there isn’t anything Sonic has done like destroying the cosmology.
 
JJSliderman said:
I think it moreso needs to be proven Sonic can achieve the same things with the chaos emeralds just because they have the same power amping them, because there isn’t anything Sonic has done like destroying the cosmology.
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You know that Sonic Will never destroy the cosmology unless It IS something unintentional.
Also the Chaos emeralds can already alter space and time
 
Alexander said:
You know that Sonic Will never destroy the cosmology unless It IS something unintentional.
Also the Chaos emeralds can already alter space and time
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Yes, they can, it’s just it’s unclear where Sonic can tap into that. In original Gens it was a lot more clear that he rewrote space time, the rewrite makes it muddy by introducing the self-healing timeline that restores itself as long as pivotal moments are restored, meaning Sonic didn’t have to restore the cosmology himself.
 
JJSliderman said:
If Gerald knows about white space and that space time is erased, why would he only be talking about time paradox stuff?
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Cause that was the context to that conversation? Have you even read what i said?

JJSliderman said:
Time is inherently linked to space, so if time is reshifting itself then so is space.
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This is headcanon that is never even remotely hinted to be the case in Sonic, so no

JJSliderman said:
I think it moreso needs to be proven Sonic can achieve the same things-
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It doesn't, it is the power of the Emeralds doing it, until you can prove otherwise, headcanon of "it is Solaris' power amplified" will be ignored
 
JJSliderman said:
Yes, they can, it’s just it’s unclear where Sonic can tap into that. In original Gens it was a lot more clear that he rewrote space time, the rewrite makes it muddy by introducing the self-healing timeline that restores itself as long as pivotal moments are restored, meaning Sonic didn’t have to restore the cosmology himself.
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Except the same Game also keep the line of Sonic restoring space and time
 
Alexander said:
Except the same Game also keep the line of Sonic restoring space and time
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In small increments, yes, he restores only pivotal moments.


Omegabronic said:
Cause that was the context to that conversation? Have you even read what i said?
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Yes, and the fact Gerald specifically mentions pivotal moments, some of which aren’t even in the past and thus not susceptible to time paradoxes, implies he’s talking more about time as a whole reshaping itself
Omegabronic said:
This is headcanon that is never even remotely hinted to be the case in Sonic, so no
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Except even spaces like end of time that represent the highest vestige of time still contain space to move around in.
Omegabronic said:
It doesn't, it is the power of the Emeralds doing it, until you can prove otherwise, headcanon of "it is Solaris' power amplified" will be ignored
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Yes, the Emeralds can do these things in specific contexts (I.e bonded with something like Solaris)
 
Tails does not contradict Gerald, he only says Sonic is restoring space time (which he is, just not the totality)
 
JJSliderman said:
In small increments, yes, he restores only pivotal moments.
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Which never do anything to restore the world, Tails specifies they'll need to restore the world themselves, so again, stop ignoring the context of a line just cause you don't want a character to have a certain hax... yes i am saying this is what you are doing, given you admitted bias a while ago

JJSliderman said:
Yes, and the fact Gerald specifically mentions pivotal moments, some of which aren’t even in the past and thus not susceptible to time paradoxes, implies he’s talking more about time as a whole reshaping itself
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No? He is specifically talking about past pivotal moments and time paradoxes, as that is the whole context of the conversation to begin with, again, stop ignoring it

JJSliderman said:
Except even spaces like end of time that represent the highest vestige of time still contain space to move around in.
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And this proves affecting one will erase the other inherently because? Again, stop shifting the point you are making, answer directly or don't answer at all

The one thing you are basing it around never says what you are saying it says

JJSliderman said:
Yes, the Emeralds can do these things in specific contexts (I.e bonded with something like Solaris)
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You want to affirm things? PROVE IT, if you can't, you don't have an argument i will ignore you
 
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