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SSJ4 aint that much of a big deal at least for the anime and Kibito gets fixe by second season/next movie be it throug a gag (fusion bugs aint used and the story ended in the demon realm and not on earth)

These two above are the hottest takes when it comes to them crying boys and girls. The other things aint a problem since they werent set in stone or a soft retcons.

Anyway ... theres a chance we will get two different timelines not so much cuz of writing, it will be based of legal decisions.

Having a coherent story is secondary to being able to sell slightly modified SSJ4 figures

Whats worse - TOEI fan service like SSJ 4 and they delivered it in epic fashion or some speicifc author(s) crying about low sale numbers (multiple times!) like litte kids and thats why they throwed away their own ideas ... for better sale numbers.

At least TOEI doesnt cry like a little b*tch.
 
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Guys! I think Daima is a separate timeline from current Super anime or manga. Hold up, let me explain. Daima is yet another divergent in timeline from original manga Buu Saga.

Here you go
Dragon Ball Executive Producer CONFIRMS the following:

1) Daima directly connects to Toriyama's Original MANGA version of the Buu Saga.
2) They acknowledge the existence of MANY DIFFERENT STORYLINES branching off the Buu Saga in the "Dragon Ball" franchise.

So, Daima is canon to its own Super Timeline, unseen from us and its not canon to anime or manga Super Timeline.
diverging storylines =/= diverging in universe timelines

They are just two different continuities
 
fking legal decision

like why cant you guys behind dragonball just go hand in hand and make more money togehter?

all that stuff with dragonballs IP and toriyamas death making it more complicated. ... Bro thats some agents of shields stuff

Cant wait for the documentary on netflix 2040
 
As much as it would be nice to have stuff being consistent, it wouldn't be unusual if they just decided it was all the same thing no matter what (For example, although you have example like FNAF having different continues with games, books and movies, there are also cases like Digimon Adventure that has both an anime and a novelization that the same writer said it's all the same thing even if the events are different, and by his own words "If those were different worlds, I would have made that clear", as even the contradictions to him isn't enough to make those different continues).

Honestly, considering the state Dragon Ball is right now (Especially since Toriyama isn't alive anymore), I wouldn't say that anything is 100% confirmed, as the brand is going to be managed now with a completely new perspective.

It could be that for now on to respect Toriyama they'll say everything he ever wrote is the absolute canon and even if material gets contradicted it doesn't matter since all that matters is that they were all written by him.

In the same way they could adress that Toriyama style often resulted in contradictions, which were further expanded by many works having different producers, directors and writers that were adding their own spin to Toriyama's notes, resulting in clear different continuties (As fans often think is the case to separate Dragon Ball Super in at least three different continuities).

The problem is that any possibility here has a non 0 chance of being the one they chose, they could even just not chose anything at all publically and they will just continue making more material without making anything clear.

So as of now, I think it's too soon to say with 100% of certainty what will be decided for sure by Shueisha, Toei, Bandai, and any other company working on DB.
 
Better theory, Db anime, Z anime(not Kai), daima, Super anime, Gt, and Heroes are all canon to one another in that exact order. Any inconsistencies were solved offscreen, or one of the main characters was just being dumb. Literal peak
What about Evolution?
 
i still hope for chibi ultra instinct goku ... *** super


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Better theory, Db anime, Z anime(not Kai), daima, Super anime, Gt, and Heroes are all canon to one another in that exact order. Any inconsistencies were solved offscreen, or one of the main characters was just being dumb. Literal peak
To be honest: that's exactly how I look at Dragon Ball canon.

I mean Xenoverse and Heroes have both been trying to create a shared multiverse between all pieces of Dragon Ball media (with some exceptions but, for the most part, it's usually any moderately popular DB media that gets into Heroes). And with Towa and Mira being in DBZ Kakarot, which elements of that game are considered canon here on the wiki, it wouldn't surprise me if it was just straight up stated all Dragon Ball media share the same cosmology.
 
Better theory, Db anime, Z anime(not Kai), daima, Super anime, Gt, and Heroes are all canon to one another in that exact order. Any inconsistencies were solved offscreen, or one of the main characters was just being dumb. Literal peak

for ssj4

goku didnt like it anymore cuz he went the 10/10 martial art route (whis and UI) ..

or another way

Goku is goku and he forgot it. Maybe he got punched too many times and is slowly developing brain damage?
 
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Daima really had no ******* feats. Lmfao.

Series really said, "the entire battle is in this tiny arena'

Correct me if I'm wrong but the only thing Daima would marginally improve is the cosmology. Since the Demon Realm existed before the other universes were made, meaning it was its own space/time outside of the Universe 1-18. But it would still exist within the hypertimelines as a whole?

if its even canon, tee hee.
 
Daima really had no ******* feats. Lmfao.

Series really said, "the entire battle is in this tiny arena'
It offers good chain scaling
Correct me if I'm wrong but the only thing Daima would marginally improve is the cosmology. Since the Demon Realm existed before the other universes were made, meaning it was its own space/time outside of the Universe 1-18. But it would still exist within the hypertimelines as a whole?
Cosmology wise it isn't that good. Also (hypothetically if it is canon) it should be part of Dragon Ball Super's hypertimelines, since Trunks' timeline has its own versions of Shin, Kibito, Zamasu, and Dabura who all originate from the Demon Realm.
 
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It offers good chain scaling

Cosmology wise it isn't that good. Also (hypothetically if it is canon) it should be part of Dragon Ball Super's hypertimelines, since Trunks' timeline has its own versions of Shin, Kibito, Zamasu, and Dabura who all originate from the Demon Realm.
And a potentially good lifting strength feat from the cast being able to push back a giant's hand/stick.
 
Goku only knows Majin Daburas strenght and the fact the tamagotcha guys are often mentioned alongside Buu when discussing their power levels ... I do wonder where they scale. Maybe Saiyajin saga victims? 😜

Ive been more into martial arts/stats equal matches since day 1 ... while their takes arent as bad as DBs H2H takes, they gotta be trolls ... haha.

Edit: Also lol@that shiti reddit thread downplaying Goku. Competetor my ass... more like a chess competetor who gets outsmartet by Majin Buu in a chess game.
 
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