MountainWine
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Your only argument I’ve heard so far is “it didn’t say this and that, all assumptions, therefore it isn’t this and that”. You aren’t actually tackling the reasonings for why it’s considered 5D.
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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
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i am not new to be honest, i have been here from like...the pandemic.
then i can go with the examples, Ben 10 for example, or Adventure time for example, or Sonic for example
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i gave my reasons already
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You can try to upgrade to low 1-C and stop touching on the same subject here, here's a tip, man.
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that goes on Maitreya for that
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ok.
1. the multiverse having one bigger timeline is non sense, you can't have a multiverse (composed of 12 universe, or 13, or whatever the number), and then have a bigger timeline, and no explanation for this bigger timeline that we are assuming it exists.
you either have a multiverse, which each universe having a individual timeline, or you have a multiverse, with all of its space and time being affected by the timeline, but you can't have a multiverse and then have a bigger timeline, without having any statements for the later.
2. the neutral space is just, a neutral space, is not a bigger dimensional structure, it is just a way to connect the universes, that does not make it a higher dimensional structure, is like having a big solar system with 12 planets, and then the solar system is covered by a asteroid belt.
3. the time chamber is just a place with a different time flow, it is not explained to be another time axis, the explanation for it is that it is a place where time flows different from earth (or the normal universe)not like a different time axis or something like that.
MountainWine
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Seems like you didn’t read the cosmology blog or any of the other supporting blogs. Or you did and didn’t understand them. If you did, you wouldn’t be making these claims.
Never cared for this and didn’t speak about this but may as well comment on it. It isn’t the main reason for the 5D timeline. It is only considered good for support. The actual reasons are different. This seems to be a problem you have with the standards. Change the standards if you dislike this. The example doesn’t actually debunk anything.
RoSaT is stated to be a different temporal dimension. Not just a place where time flows differently.
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it is the wording that is the problem, which is that it is not that specific, it is a different dimension of time, which could just mean that it is a space-time with a different flow of time in the context of how it works, not a higher dimension axis (this is never stated or implied by the way)which is my problem, because we are assuming that things are higher dimensions, without statements for their higher dimensionality or something like that, is not even a visual representation, when you know what the place is, and how it works.
and this is not me saying that a higher dimension works in a certain way, man no, but it requires alot of things to say that it is a higher dimension based on that.
Muteki616
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5D Dragonball isn't as outlandish as people think.
We have God of War at 5D for vague chain scaling.
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yeah, because the comparison is that God of war has its "trascending space and trascending time"statements type thing...dragon ball has none.
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Come on, man… Dragon Ball has had "trascending space and time" scans for years.
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I see
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show me
Muteki616
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MountainWine
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Yeah DB has had them for a long time now. Though statements of “transcending space and time” doesn’t automatically mean higher dimensionality and require context when tiering them.
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A battle surpassing space-time ( DBS Broly dimension, where Gogeta and Broly distort space-time and fight in another dimension, being cited as being beyond time and space )
Transcends dimensions ( afterlife mentioned transcending all dimensions and this includes space-time )
Transcend space-time ( Beerus mentioned transcending space-time)
There are several mentions of this thing in Dragon Ball, but none of it updates to 5D without a lot of evidence.
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man, separated by space and time...separated time flow?
So why did it take Goku 6 general months to cross the path of the snake? Why did he train for 6 general months? Why did the Z warriors train for days and wait days to be revived? Why did Goku spend 7 years training? Why did Gohan wait for the kaioshin to unlock his power? Why did GOKU RUN OUT OF ENERGY WHEN HE USED PHASE 3? That is, the reason why, according to him, he says not there was time, he says this because super saiyan 3 has a big energy drain, but then when he uses it in the Kaioshin planet, and he is alive...he still has the big energy drain even when he supposdly says there is no concept of time in the afterlife?
which means that in reality, he was reffering to not having aging, because he was dead (you know, spirits can't age, they are dead).
By the way, Goku, to teleport, needs a ki signature, and can transport himself to the afterlife (to go to Kaio sama's planet)... but he cannot do it in the Hyperbolic time chamber, nor he can sense ki while in the cocotte zone (which is a miniature dimension).
MountainWine
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Iirc Jiren was even stated to possess power that transcend time. Of course context points to it meaning he’s highly resistant to time manipulation abilities.
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then the other dimension is another space and time, not the main one
funny that i mentioned all the contradictions to it
still has no time abilities or time travel with his own speeds, or similar.
yes i know
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exactly, it is in the context of what it is reffering to, because Jiren clearly is not traveling on time with his own power
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I can really say that Jiren is 5D, since he transcends time, so according to the arguments i am also 5D for transcending fiction and seeing it as fiction.
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Cry more
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MountainWine
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Goku is already Tier 2, can’t have him at Immeasurable speed too. We can only have one
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Goku is already Tier 2, can’t have him at Immeasurable speed too. We can only have one
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there is to much to cry, to much to be angry, to much to hate, and to much to love.
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Goku solos fiction, there's no point in getting nervous.
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it is pretty much "i have a better time resistant hax"
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and it will last one hundred years.
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I'm just responding to the "because Jiren clearly is not traveling on time with his own power" since we actually do count the Goku and timeskip as immeasurable speed, but a outliner and if we didn't count it as a outliner than Jiren would scale
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is note even that it will be a outlier, in my opinion, is not a outlier, the problem is, that the context for that ability is what prevents the immeasurable speed.
because it is in refference to a time ability, that can be overcome, with a better time resistance, not with speed.
MountainWine
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It was actually agreed upon that Goku overwhelmed Hit’s time travel abilities through raw speed. This would grant Goku immeasurable speed. Though it would obviously be an outlier.
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first of all, where?second of all, why?
MountainWine
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"Skipping isn't Stopping" Hit Time skip revision
Time Skip factually doesn't stop time firstly, Vados says that it isn't time stop, but time skip(aka time travel), Goku in the fight against Hit says that he is predicting what movements he will do in the future to counter attack, which only makes sense if it isn't time stop, as if it was him...
"Skipping? Stopping? man idek anymore" Hit time skip re-revision
Continuation of this thread...............look i know i just changed it like, yesterday, but come on, i couldn't stand around with this inconsistency and just do nothing, i am half reverting it, why? because i just realized how confusingly and nonsensically this ability is, so here we go It...
Why is it considered Immeasurable Speed? Because Goku who was initially frozen in “Time Travel/Skip/whatever” began moving and keeping up with Hit.
Why is it considered an Outlier? DBS Anime Goku’s profile notes that Goku would have Immeasurable speed because of his encounter with Hit’s abilities. However that leads to too many inconsistencies and questions.
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this one sounds like he just used the ability he was supposed to have, not like, Shinra kusakabe style of by passing time stop.
the one comment about infinite speed, except worse because, again many more questions than what is worth
MountainWine
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hahaha, i know what you did there
Nullflowerblush
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I can deduce God Ki is qualitatively superior to normal Ki.
I cannot, however, figure out why Uub had so much—why the Grand Supreme Kai's divine strength surpassed even Vegeta's.
I cannot, however, figure out why Uub had so much—why the Grand Supreme Kai's divine strength surpassed even Vegeta's.
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