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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

RedReaper616 said:
Small thought I had with Valdo Gollini and the themes of You’re Next. Specifically born from the phrase he steals from All Might, because I feel it speaks to the ethos of the entire movie. There’s a key difference in how Valdo and Yagi say it, which created this thought.

“BEcause I am here,” and “‘Cause I am here.” This resonated because of his clear the movie is about fakes. It radiates from every frame. It's made apparent in every scene. New All Might? Fake. The jungle? Fake. The appearance of Giulio’s relationship with Anna? Fake. Yagi says it himself.

Valdo SOUNDS heroic, but his inside is nothing but a Dark Heart. This is not only true of Valdo’s personality, but his very appearance. He wears the skin and face of All Might, but that All Might’s heart, the literal inside of the skinsuit, is Valdo. A criminal.

The movie bashes you on the head with it. I mean, the BAD GUY’S main accomplice is a villainess who creates fake worlds/dreams for you to get lost in. The climax of the film is Giulio trying to save Anna, who finally looks unprotected, and being faked out by her—Who survived to the very end, unlike all the other bad guys. How is she beaten? By faking her out. Giulio (or his body) tricks both her and the audience by making her seem safe (after establishing his gun arm ran out of ammo) and then revealing his leg has a jet function to stamp her out.

This is all important, because on debut, his introduction, while SEEMING perfect, is fake. His ego leaks. His mannerisms are not true. The illusion he casts is hollow, because he cannot escape his desire to take shortcuts, which is also all over the film. Todoroki even says so.

Valdo’s power comes from taking every shortcut. Instead of gaining his power in his family normally, he kills his father. Instead of naturally growing his Quirk, he uses Anna. Instead of befriending and convincing Anna he steals and brainwashes her. Instead of dedicating time to improving his own appearance, he takes the shortcut and uses All Might’s. Instead of improving his allies, he takes the shortcut and kills them. It's even in his Quirk—It uses a Catalyst, a SHORTCUT, to induce change. And that in itself has to appear. It must. It's HIM.

His ego. What he is, foundationally. And so what does he do? He takes a shortcut on a word, even when he doesn't have to. He says ‘Cause, because even as he mimics All Might, his Dark Heart still reveals itself, his fake nature, deep inside. And always will.

Which is all incredibly interesting, because turn your gaze to the final bit of the film. To AFO. If this is a movie about fakes and shortcuts, what does it say about him? A lot. He created a sham apprentice, a fake catastrophe, a fake Quirk. AFO’s MO is being fake.

Hell, his endgame is a literal version of Valdo’s. Wearing Shigaraki’s body, his skin, with his own Dark Heart. He takes the massive shortcut of getting another (Garaki) to enhance that body (Surgery). And then he steals it. Said body evolves, endlessly, like how Anna modifies infinitely, and is defeated by the True Heart in their scenario, All Might (Deku as the real successor upholding his values) and Shigaraki (from within the body upholding the values of the LoV) to bring them low. And where does Deku stand after? In the sky. Inspiring.

It's basically one big proto-version of the War Arc, made into a film. It's kind of awesome. If it was released before it, it’d of been epic levels of foreshadowing for the ending of MHA (big beats, I mean. Not specifics.)
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Honestly? Well said.
 
TheRustyOne said:
He did use 100% against Tomura.

We currently accept this as being 100% Full Cowl. You can read this thread if you want to know more.

We already know that Izuku's One For All, excluding extra Quirks like Fa Jin/Gearshift, is only a little bit stronger than All Might.

So he isn't that much stronger than Quirkless Tomura/All Might with 100% Full Cowl by itself.
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I thought that was a certain percentage of OFA. Did he say he was 100%? I could had sworn he was like that cause he was using Fa Jin or Gearshift
 
With Danger Sense it obviously eliminates a lot of conflict especially since most villain can't do anything about it. Deku remained untouchable by Shigaraki for 20 minutes so I'm just gonna assume the movie avoided it to allow the villains to pose a threat.

Although it could also be explained as Deku feeling that he didn't need to dodge any of those attacks since they wouldn't do anything beyond surface level damage. Like the entire fight against Dark Might help only gets a bruise on his cheek and some bleeding from his forehead which is basically nothing.
 
BlackeJan said:
I thought that was a certain percentage of OFA. Did he say he was 100%? I could had sworn he was like that cause he was using Fa Jin or Gearshift
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He never states any percentage openly in Final War so all we can do is make assumptions based on what we know 100% Full Cowl to look like.

For instance when Deku first fights against Shigaraki on the floating coffin his eyes flare up which is something we usually see from 100%.

45% also has an eye flare but it is smaller than the 100% eye flare.

Below 45% has no eye flare.

The Delaware Smash at Mt Fuji is also assumed to be 100% + Fa Jin.

After he loses Gear Shift and Danger Sense and starts using "carnage mode" it can also be assumed that he is at plus ultra 100% considering that he is facing a Shigaraki that is comparable to his 120%.

And obviously the final smash is also assumed to be plus ultra 100% since it's the most powerful feat in the series.
 
Gitagon said:
And obviously the final smash is also assumed to be plus ultra 100% since it's the most powerful feat in the series.
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No we don't. It's agreed Izuku was vastly weakened when he done that. He was stated to be on his last legs and could barely support himself. People who scale vastly below him were able to keep up with him and Tomura as well, despite being weakened themselves. There's no way Izuku was beyond his 100%, nor was he at 100%.

Being injured weakens OFA. We've seen this multiple times. All Might weakened due to his injury. Muscular pointed out Izuku's second 100% punch was weaker than his first punch. 45% Izuku lacked the strength to lift Lady Nagant and Hawks due to how injured/tired he was.

The feat being the biggest isn't relevant. We don't assume that when someone performs a higher feat that they're stronger, not without knowing the context. Everything points to him to being far weaker than normal. Yes he's going Plus Ultra, but a highly weakened Plus Ultra. If his speed is nowhere close to that level, his power isn't either.
 
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BlackeJan said:
I thought that was a certain percentage of OFA. Did he say he was 100%? I could had sworn he was like that cause he was using Fa Jin or Gearshift
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Izuku never states his percentage after the Dark Hero Arc.

Izuku isn't using Fa Jin or Gearshift in that image. Fa Jin isn't a transformation like Super Saiyan, it's an instant release of power, so he cannot stay in a Fa Jin form or something. Izuku hadn't even activated Gearshift until after he threw Tomura away with Black Chain.

Izuku's 120% thing is just Fa Jin + Gearshift at max speed, which is also called Overdrive. It only last for a single attack than he has to charge it up again.
 
Seems like this movie characters are probably gonna have the lamest page ever in mha. That is if all of them gets one. Like what are you gonna be putting for Deborah? Illusion or mind manipulation with no other ap, durability or speed rating?

Bruno has a good power and probably speed to. But no durability or ap scaling? Same goes for the rest who isn't dark might or Giulio.
 
Kind of hard to find anything for Giulio outside of maybe scaling him to Mineta for durability. His speed might have a rating outside of his equipment, but that's a maybe.

I doubt all of the villains here need a page. As stated, most of them are featless. Once again, I'll point out how broken they'd be if they fought together.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Kind of hard to find anything for Giulio outside of maybe scaling him to Mineta for durability. His speed might have a rating outside of his equipment, but that's a maybe.

I doubt all of the villains here need a page. As stated, most of them are featless. Once again, I'll point out how broken they'd be if they fought together.
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The time guy and erasure guy would pretty much be invincible. Add in the teleporter and it would even be impossible to dodge them.
 
Question. Why don't we have a Vestige Page explaining their link to Souls? It feels like a prudent thing to do. For example, Knuckleduster's thing with AFO would probably be helpful in explaining how they work on each other. Or how they (Knuckleduster and Pop) can totally appear to Koichi with little to no extra gimmicks involved. We're even told that AFO intends to steal "Body and Soul," which we directly see being done through the Vestige, directly correlating them. While we do count the resistance on their pages, the depths of how they interact isn't really well gone over on those pages. Do we consider them to be the Souls themselves? Echoes? Especially in the wake of You're Next, which literally has the OFA Vestiges breach into a Spiritual/Soul Space of Fantasy created by Deborah.
 
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I don't believe Koichi actually saw Knuckleduster and Pop. The reason I believe that is because All Might had the same thing. Also, Knuckleduster nor Pop really mentioned talking to Koichi. In fact, he was certain it was in his own head as well. I think it's just his own mind trying to keep him fighting.

Knuckleduster appearing before the AFO vestige is just because Number 6 has KD's Quirk. Of course a vestige of himself would be there.

It's not the same thing talking to Koichi, which is I believe is just an hallucination. I haven't read Vigilantes in some time, so I admit I could be missing something.

I'd have no idea how such a page could be written, nor what purpose it would serve. I don't see what else could be explained beyond what we already have.
 
Here is a much higher quality version of the image.

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Looks like a old painting of a epic Greek story, Horikoshi is insanely good, like ne of the best in the manga industry.

Also why is Deku checking out Toga.
 
Why doesn't AFO have a multi-continental key? He was relative to prime All might in his prime, even causing his injury. So like whats up with that
 
Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
Why doesn't AFO have a multi-continental key? He was relative to prime All might in his prime, even causing his injury. So like whats up with that
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Basically what Damage said. We don’t know how he caused that injury or if it would scale to his AP. On the other hand, All Might got his hands on AFO for likely the first direct hit of the fight (given AFO doesn’t seem to have visible damage) and basically one shot him.
 
Damage3245 said:
We don't know how he caused his injury; he has countless unknown Quirks, some of which could've circumvented conventional durability.
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This also isn’t unfounded speculation, either. When AFO does his rewind play, at some point he gained access to a Quirk that seemingly distorts space to kill Hawks, which he uses as an attack to his gut. The only reason Hawks lives is because Camie stepped in with illusions.

He easily could’ve used that same move against All Might all those decades ago for the same maneuver.

That said, considering he took over Shigaraki for a decent amount of time, you’d figure he’d have a “Possssing Shigaraki” Key. Though I suppose it is a bit redundant since you’d just be porting over Post-Surgery Shigaraki onto his profile as a Key.
 
RedReaper616 said:
This also isn’t unfounded speculation, either. When AFO does his rewind play, at some point he gained access to a Quirk that seemingly distorts space to kill Hawks, which he uses as an attack to his gut.
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It appears to be the same Quirk the High-End Robot used against Mirko.

However, AFO didn't gain access to that Quirk. Rewind is literally stated to not effect his Quirks at all, only his body. Which is why he still has all of his abilities. The thing that changed is that he can combined more Quirks and unleash more power without worrying about the negative effects it'd have on his body.

Just to make this clear. AFO never gained or lost any Quirks from the Rewind.
 
Hey what happened to that manga feat of Nine creating and dissipating a storm so fast that Deku though he imagined seeing it. Would give pretty good results.
 
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