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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

Hey I just remembered, Deku is not only protected from Dream manipulation, but can also see the who and how the dream manipulation is effecting. That's a new ability.
 
57Dev said:
but can also see the who and how the dream manipulation is effecting. That's a new ability.
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No, that's an aspect of her boosted Quirk. The only thing OFA did was wake him up from the dream.
 
Also according to Guilo a quirk boosted by Out of Control Anna can destroy the world. And Anna does go out of control in the finale. So we pushing this agenda or not ?

And no way Goloni survived that.
 
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57Dev said:
Didn't Yoichi literally show him other's dream and he even talks to Guilo and wakes him up ?
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That's how her Quirk works. It connects everyone she's controlling.

The vestiges just woke him up so he can see it.

57Dev said:
Also according to Guilo a quirk boosted by Out of Control Anna can destroy the world. And Anna does go out of control in the finale. So we pushing this agenda or not ?

And no way Goloni survived that.
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That statement means nothing.

No timeframe and no method on how this destruction will happen. A 8-A character can destroy the world given enough time and they're fast enough. I also don't think Anna herself was destroying the world. Just that everyone in the world's Quirk would go berserker and destroy the world.
 
TheRustyOne said:
That's how her Quirk works. It connects everyone she's controlling.

The vestiges just woke him up so he can see it.


That statement means nothing.

No timeframe and no method on how this destruction will happen. A 8-A character can destroy the world given enough time and they're fast enough. I also don't think Anna herself was destroying the world. Just that everyone in the world's Quirk would go berserker and destroy the world.
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ok. He does say the quirk of the boosted would evolve infinitely so it's singular, one person. Not to mention you need to touch her to get the boost so that last part makes no sense.
 
57Dev said:
ok. He does say the quirk of the boosted would evolve infinitely so it's singular, one person. Not to mention you need to touch her to get the boost so that last part makes no sense.
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Strike through the sentence means it's not real and I'm making fun.

My god, this is annoying. I'm done here for now. Can't deal with people like you right now.
 
Jackof_noTrades068

Thread 'Hifumi and Alpha vs. Nine (MYF vs. MHA) [3-0-0]'

Well, Hifumi and Alpha never really got a full on battle with Asa. Asa's haircut is a lot like Nine's and they're both villains who have a gimmick of having multiple powers that are usually genetically inherited (Quirks and Bloomings) and even both need to target children to achieve their goals. So why not?

Nine: Above 711 Tons of TNT, 2.15 Megatons of TNT Dura with Barriers
vs.
Hifumi: 449 Tons of TNT, 898 Tons of TNT with Alpha's cheer, 1.49 Kilotons with Zwing, Can combo with Alpha for 158 Kilotons with H.A.K.C
Alpha: 149 Tons of TNT up to 1.19 Kilotons of TNT...
 
Well with Dark Might scaling higher than casual Deku, Shoto and Bakugo, then getting even stronger, is it safe to bring up how lots of the stronger peeps with their attacks should upscale to baseline 6-A
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Well with Dark Might scaling higher than casual Deku, Shoto and Bakugo, then getting even stronger, is it safe to bring up how lots of the stronger peeps with their attacks should upscale to baseline 6-A
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Can't say for that yet. I have a lot planned out right now.

But Shoto and Bakugo should have their own "Plus Ultra" noted somewhere as well. Dark Might literally points out that Shoto suddenly got stronger after all. Both of them pull out everything they got and get stronger. While Izuku decides he'll stop holding back as much and unleash a little more power.
 
Better question is how does everyone think we should handle Deku in this film?

At a minimum, he is using a super buffed 45% for the entire time because he doesn't want to damage his equipment and finds Dark Might a threat he can beat (and I guess he's just trolling around with being damaged at all for some reason and like never using Danger Sense). More than likely though, this is just an unknown percentage lower than 100%. So should we just give him a varies rating since he can clearly increase and decrease his power to be one shot killing people he is originally playing around with WITHOUT even going full spiky hair or using Fa Jin or Gearshift?

So something like "Varies from High 6-B to High 6-A with One For All, higher with 100%, far higher with Fa Jin and Gearshift"?
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Better question is how does everyone think we should handle Deku in this film?
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I have an entire CRT planned to discuss this because I think people are going to split about this. It'll be the same thread to talk about Dark Might's profile as well.

Izuku's just using whatever percentage he's okay with that's not 100%. He doesn't want to wreck shop at 100% in fear of the repercussions (Would probably just splat Dark Might). It's likely just his new baseline percentage. I think 100% is kind of like 20% was in the Overhaul Arc, although it isn't that bad to him.

Izuku isn't getting another key, but we will add to his Final War Arc key as this is the same Izuku. The movie takes place at most 3 days before the Final War after all.
 
TheRustyOne said:
I have an entire CRT planned to discuss this because I think people are going to split about this. It'll be the same thread to talk about Dark Might's profile as well.

Izuku's just using whatever percentage he's okay with that's not 100%. He doesn't want to wreck shop at 100% in fear of the repercussions (Would probably just splat Dark Might). It's likely just his new baseline percentage. I think 100% is kind of like 20% was in the Overhaul Arc, although it isn't that bad to him.

Izuku isn't getting another key, but we will add to his Final War Arc key as this is the same Izuku. The movie takes place at most 3 days before the Final War after all.
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Ye, that's my main suggestion. I've always thought his final war key needed some extrapolation, like how I don't think he even uses 100% of OFA until he declares Shigaraki human and breaks the Mid-Gauntlets, setting off all those warning bells.

I guess we'll see in whatever you're cooking up this time.
 
Just finished watching “You’re Next”

Pretty solid. I’d give it like a 7.5/10. I kinda wish we got more of Guilio and Anna. They were easily the most compelling part of the story and it’s a shame they’re relegated to solely movie characters. Dark Might is decent, but nothing crazy. I still think weirdly Flect still has the most interesting character and motivation. Animation was peak, but it seems MHA has joined the trend of animating so over the top, it’s hard to tell what’s even happening. I mean this movie is gorgeous, but that final fight is hard to read.

As for scaling. I mean I don’t know if anyone else got this, but Deku and co had it mad easy. I mean Deku, Bakugo, and Shoto barely got hurt compared to all previous films and were folding this super powered Dark Might. I mean damn, Deku bullied this man hard. Dark Might is way weaker than Shigaraki. I mean no Quirk Shigaraki was embarassing the Bakugo that was hurting Dark Might a decent bit.

Seems Heroes Rising is still the best MHA movie IMO. I’d probably rank You’re Next right around World Hero Mission.
 
Oh and in the movie Momo uses Laser ? Plasma ? turrets. Kaminari powers those. Could be a good feat for Kaminari. Also they really are a nice combo. Kaminari can generate power but has no proper application. While Momo can't use her big machines without power.
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
As for scaling. I mean I don’t know if anyone else got this, but Deku and co had it mad easy. I mean Deku, Bakugo, and Shoto barely got hurt compared to all previous films and were folding this super powered Dark Might. I mean damn, Deku bullied this man hard. Dark Might is way weaker than Shigaraki. I mean no Quirk Shigaraki was embarassing the Bakugo that was hurting Dark Might a decent bit.
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It's funny how I'm certain Dark Might is the strongest of the movie villains, yet I agree their struggle against him wasn't the hardest. Many reasons why that I can think of. All three of them are fighting together against a villain they can handle. Wolfram was far too much for Izuku to take at 5%, so fighting him was going to be a challenge. All Might was struggling with his time limit and kept faltering at certain points. Izuku was giving it everything he had.

Nine was super annoying even while restrained. It took everything they had to land a hit on him. When he went full power, he blew away 100% Izuku's attack. It took two OFA to overpower Nine's weather manipulation, and he still held on fighting both of them, who injured themselves with every attack they threw at him.

While Flect is far weaker, the stakes were far higher with his Trigger Bombs. The emotional attachment they build with Rody also hits as well. Shoto and Bakugo had to fight until they were knocked out. Bakugo was especially brutal because he'd been impaled multiple times.

Giulio is cool but he isn't developed like Rody. Anna is a literal plot device. She had zero interactions with Izuku or anyone else in the movie because she's mind controlled for most of it. Their backstory and relationship is fine, but we should've seen more of them in the present.

A side effect of this movie taking place at most 3 days before the Final War. Izuku and the others cannot be horribly injured like in the previous movies. They can't recover fast enough if Dark Might made them struggle like they did against Nine. And it doesn't help that we know Izuku is holding back the good stuff for Tomura.

Dark Might stood zero chance of succeeding. Obviously the hero always wins in the end, but even hypothetically he stood no chance. Which is probably why the stakes in this movie feel the smallest they've ever been. If Dark Might was about to cross the line and make the stakes higher, Izuku would stomp him into the ground.

Wolfram could've won, Nine could've won, and Flect could've won. Dark Might never would've won.
 
Small thought I had with Valdo Gollini and the themes of You’re Next. Specifically born from the phrase he steals from All Might, because I feel it speaks to the ethos of the entire movie. There’s a key difference in how Valdo and Yagi say it, which created this thought.

“BEcause I am here,” and “‘Cause I am here.” This resonated because of his clear the movie is about fakes. It radiates from every frame. It's made apparent in every scene. New All Might? Fake. The jungle? Fake. The appearance of Giulio’s relationship with Anna? Fake. Yagi says it himself.

Valdo SOUNDS heroic, but his inside is nothing but a Dark Heart. This is not only true of Valdo’s personality, but his very appearance. He wears the skin and face of All Might, but that All Might’s heart, the literal inside of the skinsuit, is Valdo. A criminal.

The movie bashes you on the head with it. I mean, the BAD GUY’S main accomplice is a villainess who creates fake worlds/dreams for you to get lost in. The climax of the film is Giulio trying to save Anna, who finally looks unprotected, and being faked out by her—Who survived to the very end, unlike all the other bad guys. How is she beaten? By faking her out. Giulio (or his body) tricks both her and the audience by making her seem safe (after establishing his gun arm ran out of ammo) and then revealing his leg has a jet function to stamp her out.

This is all important, because on debut, his introduction, while SEEMING perfect, is fake. His ego leaks. His mannerisms are not true. The illusion he casts is hollow, because he cannot escape his desire to take shortcuts, which is also all over the film. Todoroki even says so.

Valdo’s power comes from taking every shortcut. Instead of gaining his power in his family normally, he kills his father. Instead of naturally growing his Quirk, he uses Anna. Instead of befriending and convincing Anna he steals and brainwashes her. Instead of dedicating time to improving his own appearance, he takes the shortcut and uses All Might’s. Instead of improving his allies, he takes the shortcut and kills them. It's even in his Quirk—It uses a Catalyst, a SHORTCUT, to induce change. And that in itself has to appear. It must. It's HIM.

His ego. What he is, foundationally. And so what does he do? He takes a shortcut on a word, even when he doesn't have to. He says ‘Cause, because even as he mimics All Might, his Dark Heart still reveals itself, his fake nature, deep inside. And always will.

Which is all incredibly interesting, because turn your gaze to the final bit of the film. To AFO. If this is a movie about fakes and shortcuts, what does it say about him? A lot. He created a sham apprentice, a fake catastrophe, a fake Quirk. AFO’s MO is being fake.

Hell, his endgame is a literal version of Valdo’s. Wearing Shigaraki’s body, his skin, with his own Dark Heart. He takes the massive shortcut of getting another (Garaki) to enhance that body (Surgery). And then he steals it. Said body evolves, endlessly, like how Anna modifies infinitely, and is defeated by the True Heart in their scenario, All Might (Deku as the real successor upholding his values) and Shigaraki (from within the body upholding the values of the LoV) to bring them low. And where does Deku stand after? In the sky. Inspiring.

It's basically one big proto-version of the War Arc, made into a film. It's kind of awesome. If it was released before it, it’d of been epic levels of foreshadowing for the ending of MHA (big beats, I mean. Not specifics.)
 
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TheRustyOne said:
It's funny how I'm certain Dark Might is the strongest of the movie villains, yet I agree their struggle against him wasn't the hardest. Many reasons why that I can think of. All three of them are fighting together against a villain they can handle. Wolfram was far too much for Izuku to take at 5%, so fighting him was going to be a challenge. All Might was struggling with his time limit and kept faltering at certain points. Izuku was giving it everything he had.

Nine was super annoying even while restrained. It took everything they had to land a hit on him. When he went full power, he blew away 100% Izuku's attack. It took two OFA to overpower Nine's weather manipulation, and he still held on fighting both of them, who injured themselves with every attack they threw at him.

While Flect is far weaker, the stakes were far higher with his Trigger Bombs. The emotional attachment they build with Rody also hits as well. Shoto and Bakugo had to fight until they were knocked out. Bakugo was especially brutal because he'd been impaled multiple times.

Giulio is cool but he isn't developed like Rody. Anna is a literal plot device. She had zero interactions with Izuku or anyone else in the movie because she's mind controlled for most of it. Their backstory and relationship is fine, but we should've seen more of them in the present.

A side effect of this movie taking place at most 3 days before the Final War. Izuku and the others cannot be horribly injured like in the previous movies. They can't recover fast enough if Dark Might made them struggle like they did against Nine. And it doesn't help that we know Izuku is holding back the good stuff for Tomura.

Dark Might stood zero chance of succeeding. Obviously the hero always wins in the end, but even hypothetically he stood no chance. Which is probably why the stakes in this movie feel the smallest they've ever been. If Dark Might was about to cross the line and make the stakes higher, Izuku would stomp him into the ground.

Wolfram could've won, Nine could've won, and Flect could've won. Dark Might never would've won.
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Yeah, I definitely got the impression Deku was holding back the entire film

If he actually wanted to, he could have folded Dark Might easily by himself
 
BlackeJan said:
So we are all in agreement that when watching the movie we knew Deku was holding back the entire time
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He never used 100% or Gearshift, so yeah he was holding back.

He was struggling and going beyond with whatever his baseline/safe percentage is.

Kind of like with Gentle Criminal. Izuku struggled but never needed to use 20% Full Cowl on him, despite it being more than capable of one shotting him.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Deku also seemingly turned Danger Sense off for the whole movie for fun I guess
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He had Danger Sense when he first saw Dark Might. He also noticed Giulio didn't set it off when he pointed his gun at him.

Not seeing the effect doesn't mean it's absent. There's a moment where Giulio runs to Anna while Izuku clashes with Dark Might's Torino Smash. Giulio gets stopped by Deborah's Day Dream. Izuku instantly looks back at Giulio when this happens, which causes Dark Might to overpower him.

Giulio didn't make any sound and he isn't in Izuku's line of sight. He likely detected Deborah's hostile intentions when she activated her Quirk.
 
BlackeJan said:
Honestly, I noticed that how he can use 100% like he did with Flect (only injuring his arms) yet he never did that against Shigaraki(?)
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He did use 100% against Tomura.

We currently accept this as being 100% Full Cowl. You can read this thread if you want to know more.

We already know that Izuku's One For All, excluding extra Quirks like Fa Jin/Gearshift, is only a little bit stronger than All Might.

So he isn't that much stronger than Quirkless Tomura/All Might with 100% Full Cowl by itself.
 
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