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Which four people are you referring to?
And it's "Limited" I believe because it's only implied that he slowed Mu's regeneration, and not stopped it entirely.
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
And it's "Limited" I believe because it's only implied that he slowed Mu's regeneration, and not stopped it entirely.
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Funny, the scene in the latest chapter wouldn't even be bad if they were both children... I only pray that Konohamaru is acting like an idiot with some sort of plan in mind to distract her, like the one she's talking to right now is actually a Shadow Clone the whole time.
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I think you're misunderstanding what I mean by higher assertion. I'm not saying this directly scales Jura above Isshiki, but he has higher quantifiable scaling over Code than Isshiki does. Jura is at least >>>>Code, while Isshiki is at least >Code, and while nothing links them directly, in the comparisons that can be made with the info available, Jura is much more impressive.
Ghostimuscrime
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coulda said "my theory is konohamaru is doing so and so" and would have been easier to engage with that
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The assertion just puts him comfortably above Jigen+ level characters though, and I understand the scaling chain is more clear for Jura since we can assess how comfortably he scales to said characters but still
But don’t get me wrong I definitely put Jura in the same ballpark at least
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Same. Because I’ll be very disappointed if this isn’t the case
MinatoSparkle
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I'm just gonna put it like this. If one was to put Isshiki higher in a TL, what would the justification be?
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The fact that nothing currently solidifies Jura to be equal or superior
Like if a CRT were to be made rn for Jura being upgraded to Low 4-C, I can’t see a single thing that could concretely place him there
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"To be honest, I don't remember well, but I think it started with Obito . After Obito insulted Minato in front of Naruto, Naruto got angry and slapped Obito with his "Rasengan" while he was in Sage mode. At that time, Obito couldn't regenerate, but he used "Tso" to heal himself or regenerate, meaning he needed an external source to be able to regenerate. In fact, I didn't pay attention to the fact that "Tso" was able to heal.
As for the second argument, it's very weak actully . that Madara was able to regenerate in less than five seconds after being hit by "Night Guy", but when he was hit by "Lava Rasen Shuriken" from Naruto, he couldn't regenerate. After that, he absorbed the Juubi tree in order to be able to regenerate.
Finally, as for Kaguya, Hagoromo, who fought Kaguya for months, said that she was immortal. However, after Naruto cut off her arms, she was only able to regenerate using an external source (Tsu) to heal herself, just like obito did."
again sorry for my English
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In any of the timelines where Kawaki was killed, which would have been after Eida and Daemon came to the village Daemon never assisted him when Code came to kill him. Daemon doesn't care about Kawaki or the earth one bit, Eida on the other hand only cares about Kawaki Romantically and she was willing to give up Boruto for code to use as a sacrifice for the god tree. I would not include daemon in that equation, he is very nonchalant and the world can burn for all he cares.
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It wouldn’t be “higher”, just “quantifiable”, if that makes sense bc for it to be “higher”, Isshiki’s would need to be quantified. We’re playing with unknowns here.
I see where you’re coming from but the way I see it, Jura’s statement is just quantifiably better than Isshiki’s. The only reason that can be said is because it’s been stated after the introduction of characters like Daemon and so on that are shown destroying Code, whereas Isshiki’s came before.
So I just don’t think we should be using descriptives like “Higher” when discussing the quantifiable vs the unknown.
Again, if that makes sense…
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I'd say likely 10 ZT is fair game, I'll have to review the chapters again to concretely agree with a full rating tho
MinatoSparkle
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Sure, Jura wouldn't scale to Isshiki's CV rating inherently, but I'm talking about inverse. The former part is only relevant if the baseline assumption is for Isshiki to be superior and Jura has to prove superiority. But it should be considered both ways. Nothing solidifies Isshiki to be equal or superior to Jura. So I could either not rank one of them, which is boring, choose to rank Isshiki higher cause he feels superior, or choose to place the one with more concrete scaling higher. And I simply chose the last.
We don't really know in what situation Code attacked Kawaki though. It could've been a sneak attack when Daemon didn't know he was there. I highly doubt Daemon would just let everything play out if things got really serious, cause the Divine Tree sucking up all life on Earth would kill him and Eida too.
SureIt wouldn’t be “higher”, just “quantifiable”, if that makes sense bc for it to be “higher”, Isshiki’s would need to be quantified. We’re playing with unknowns here.
I see where you’re coming from but the way I see it, Jura’s statement is just quantifiably better than Isshiki’s. The only reason that can be said is because it’s been stated after the introduction of characters like Daemon and so on that are shown destroying Code, whereas Isshiki’s came before.
So I just don’t think we should be using descriptives like “Higher” when discussing the quantifiable vs the unknown.
Again, if that makes sense…
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It's alright, you're being quite clear.
It's never exactly clarified what Obito did with the Truth-Seeker Orb on his back; whether he was healing himself, cauterizing the wound, etc. Naruto never inflicts unhealable wounds on other characters with his Senjutsu attacks; it's possible something unique to the 10-Tails Jinchuriki rather than an ability of Naruto's.
Madara's scene happened too quickly to say whether or not Naruto actually stopped him from regenerating in any way.
Kaguya's situation doesn't mean she used the TSO itself to heal her. It could've just been that transforming into the giant Ten-Tails form made it easy for her to regenerate as a massive blob of chakra.
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Well Isshiki coming first sets a standard that we can’t say for certain Jura has reached yet. Jura’s scaling is concrete sure but none of it proves to be Isshiki level, and without any scaling connection, imo, we can’t just say this newcomer scales relative yet without any proof. Which is why I brought up profile ratings because we can at least gauge that Isshiki is at a certain level (Small Star) due to the accepted reasoning, but there’s currently no solid reasoning for Jura to be that high
I feel this explanation applies to inverse scaling too, but it’s fine if you disagree. It’s not like either of us can really determine how they stack against each other atm
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I don't really see how the order is relevant. If anything I'd expect the later main villain to be stronger, but either way it doesn't really mean anything inherently.
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I've been a fan of Mitsuki scaling to a casual Boruto.. due to his performance + seemingly doing better against Boruto than Code did anyway, but I'm pretty sure Mitsuki scaling anywhere near Boruto is controversial bc of his performance.
Anyway here's how I read the fight:
For starters, he was able to restrain Boruto with his snakes and "forced" Boruto to use FTG to escape rather than trying to break through, seeing how Boruto was able to block Code's attack who's stronger than Jigen, so I think it's fair for him to scale to his LS. Although you could argue Boruto never tried to brute force break out of the restraints.
Boruto also uses Shinden to counter Mitsuki's attacks, and Shinden is obviously an amp stronger than his physicals (He didn't use Shinden against the Claw Grimes, though we already know Mitsuki > Claw Grimes).
Mitsuki deflects Boruto's shurikens... though you could argue it was a setup for FTG
Boruto uses Shinden to destroy his clones again, and not with normal attacks. And we know clones are weaker and less durable than the original.
Their lightning Ninjutsu clash
Before Boruto used Shinden to destroy Mitsuki's clones, he says he's gonna get a little rough and tells Mitsuki he has no time to play, which means to me that he's serious but he held back on killing intent both against him and Code.
So I think in terms of speed he doesn't scale obviously, though I think he could scale with his lightning since he clashed with a serious (no killing intent) Boruto (X, Y with Snake Lightning). But AP wise, I think likely is fair.
id like to hear everyones thoughts on this
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Well the dude is like what a week old or some shit and his whole thing is evolution so there’s no doubt in my mind he’s gonna be a completely different beast pretty soon
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Hot take. I want the otsutsuki back. It would be a real bummer if their lore isn't expanded upon more. Jura is like the only saving grace of the Shinju. All this love talk is just.....
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Oh, I'm glad to know you can understand me, despite my poor language.
Well, first of all, I didn't mean that the regeneration denial was due to "Sage Mode". I meant that Naruto's ability that appeared after he was able to use Kurama's power (meaning that the power to negate regeneration is from Kurama's chakra itself). I think it's due to Kurama's toxic chakra that prevents or hinders regeneration.
Also, after stopping the "Edo" characters, he only fought Obito, Madara, and Kaguya. And he couldn't hurt any of them, except for the times I mentioned I think, so I don't know. Also, Obito when he was out of control (he couldn't control the "Jubei") blew up half of his body with the "Tso" that contains natural energy, but he was able to regenerate himself and didn't use the "Tso" to regenerate.
So his failure to regenerate after Naruto's attack wasn't due to the natural energy of "Sage Mode", but rather because of Naruto himself (who has Kurama's chakra). As for Madara, you're right on that point, so I said it was a weak argument because it was so fast, especially in the manga. But in the anime, it was shown a little better.
Also, I said that he regenerated from "Night Guy's" attack in less than 5 seconds and half of his body was gone, but he had trouble regenerating after Naruto's attack, which was less damaging than "Guy's" attack.
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Naruto wasn't using any of Kurama's chakra in that scene though.
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Wasn't the seal open? Kurama's chakra always leaked out and merged with Naruto's. Since childhood. But after the seal was opened. Nothing was blocking his chakra. Or so I thought it was.
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I agree with this ngl
This too
As for the others idk man seems he’s just holding back and other techniques are probably being used for the reader’s sake, bc I’m not too convinced that he’s resorting to ninjutsu because he feels he has to. I get scaling Mitsuki to a casual/holding back Boruto but how could we quantify that
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And yeah this holds some weight I guess but being a little rough doesn’t exactly say much imo. I think this could also be interpreted as him just upping his power to the point where he can neutralize Mitsuki’s attempts quickly, but it’s not enough to say it was close to or at full output
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Looks Good, one could argue for the later parts that boruto held back but it would be weird given how boruto is a cautious and composed person who wants to get things done without wasting time, it would be contradictory for his character to extend a fight for the sake of mitsuki so the only conclusion we can draw is boruto needed to do all that because Mitsuki's just that guy
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Lore accurate Matsuri and Konohamaru?
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The opposite is true as well though?
If jura was galaxy level because of something that purely involves him what would isshikis argument be for scaling to Jura?
They both dont have direct scaling to eachother, just scaling chains
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I’m confused because this isn’t part of my argument
I said that nothing currently ties Jura to Isshiki’s level of scaling therefore he’s not proven to scale that high yet. If Jura scales to some new feat that’s above him, then no he wouldn’t scale lol never said otherwise
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I dont think he was arguing against what you said
as of now both jura and Isshiki have separate scaling thats unquantifiably above Jigen tier people
there's more chains involved for Jura but neither have anything to scale off of each other as of now, unless we get another "the strongest foe" statement
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Yeah and Ghost got Low 4-C Isshiki so we obviously know what his justification for that is, so what would Jura’s justification be?
I’m just saying that right now there’s no connection for him to concretely scale that high yet. Not even saying that he outright doesn’t, but one character has actual reasoning for it while the other currently doesn’t so what does that tell you
If Jura gets a “strongest foe” type statement or something then cool I’m all for it
I’m just saying that right now there’s no connection for him to concretely scale that high yet. Not even saying that he outright doesn’t, but one character has actual reasoning for it while the other currently doesn’t so what does that tell you
If Jura gets a “strongest foe” type statement or something then cool I’m all for it
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depending on the hypothetical "the strongest
" statement Jura might even qualify for a full scale 4B rating like shibai did
so we just gotta wait out to see what he drops (although i really wish we get a new feat tho)
" statement Jura might even qualify for a full scale 4B rating like shibai didso we just gotta wait out to see what he drops (although i really wish we get a new feat tho)
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Jura charges up a Bijuudama and Boruto knocks it away, sending it flying to a distant star that gets vaporized 
Ghostimuscrime
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I’m disgusted, expand your imaginations instead of wishing for pitiful and ugly star feats
A starry sky exists
A bijuubomb is shot
A character deflects the bijuubomb with their physicals
A giant black hole is formed within the starry night sky indicating the destruction of several nebula (4A~3B)
A starry sky exists
A bijuubomb is shot
A character deflects the bijuubomb with their physicals
A giant black hole is formed within the starry night sky indicating the destruction of several nebula (4A~3B)
MinatoSparkle
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4-A is fine, 3-B a lil far of a jump tho
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And suffer from several redraws nah I’m okLet Murata draw all fights from now on in Boruto…
Ghostimuscrime
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No you can still have rhar
Just show galaxies and star clusters scattered around the nebulae that’s visible from the sky 40 episodes before the feat and the feat gets upgraded to 3B (that’s how saitama got his
It pains me that Ikemoto could almost do that, Kishi went wild with samurai 8 but Boruto’s story likely won’t go that routeLet Murata draw all fights from now on in Boruto…
