ShakeResounding
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I finished Shadow the Hedgehog, the page can be locked up again.
@McFriesGuy075 You can overlook the page to make sure it's free of error.
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Radical Highway to Hell - Shadow Generations Part 3
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@McFriesGuy075 You can overlook the page to make sure it's free of error.
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Sonic and the Secret Rings - Sonic Free Riders key is missing higher with chaos energy & doom powers and is missing far higher with hidden potential, those are present within his tiering but not the description of his ratings
ShakeResounding
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Would you be willing to add it while I shift gears to the other pages, please? Should be simple enough additions and I have a time crunch atm
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Realized just now that it was placed there by mistake, it's definitely supposed to be within his next key. Doesn't use Doom Powers anywhere in that timeline placement.
Edit: Actually the entire Secret Rings - Free Riders key was missing from the tiering
ShakeResounding
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I've gotten the Black Arms and Black Doom pages locked because lolTier1 and applied the rest of the OP.
@McFriesGuy075 I really appreciate all of the help in the last stretch. If you've fixed everything you needed, Shadow's can be locked and this CRT can finally be closed. If not, I'll hnadle him myself later. I have to go for a few hours now, thanks everyone!
@McFriesGuy075 I really appreciate all of the help in the last stretch. If you've fixed everything you needed, Shadow's can be locked and this CRT can finally be closed. If not, I'll hnadle him myself later. I have to go for a few hours now, thanks everyone!
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This was not accepted by any staff, doubly so since the Metal Overlord thread wasn't finished. This should be re-worded as the AP description only mentions completed Evolved Shadow being a higher tier than base.
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Metal Overlord is currently 1-C, no?
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We’re still deciding in another thread if he should stay there or be downgraded to 2-C or Low 1-C
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What JJ said. The idea of Doom Surf Shadow being above his base wasn't accepted in this thread, and that note should be re-worded to just be when Shadow was completed (which was what was accepted).
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This is what was in the OP. Evolved Shadow just being 1-C via scaling to the final boss (when completed), not Doom Surf Shadow being higher than base according to that note.
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Should probably then add a note about how Shadow fighting Metal Overlord is an outlier, sorta like how we used to have one for Sonic fighting Perfect Chaos.
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No, we should only add that note after the Overlord thread is finished.
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and when is that going to be finished?
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Can't we just remove the note whenever (more accurately IF) that thread finishes?
Otherwise, will have the Shadow that fought a guy that's listed as 1-C at 2-C without any explanation for the foreseeable future.
Otherwise, will have the Shadow that fought a guy that's listed as 1-C at 2-C without any explanation for the foreseeable future.
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Fine. My worry was people using it as fuel for their arguments since it's "accepted", but people will use it if we have it or not.
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Yo I fell asleep in the middle of the edits. Turns out Light Speed Attack is in Colors DS - Ep Shadow key's striking strength without him having ever used that in that era.
Shadow 05 - Battle key is missing his lifting strength being amplified by his hidden potential and that stuff.
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The OP seems to imply it does since it needs to argue as to why Sonic doesn't scale to Shadow with Doom Powers at all
Plus... that thread for MO is not concluded, so we should leave the pages as is until it is concluded and then we can change it again, MO is currenltly 1-C, we can't do much on that
ShakeResounding
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You could remove it if you'd like.
Then we can remove it.
That should be added, then. I don't think a description is needed aside from just attacking the "even higher" stuff or whatever.
I'm gonna be on mobile for basically the rest of the day so I can't perform amy of this. If somebody else wants to step in, feel free.
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Once I get home I will, then. In a few hours. I just need the page unlocked.
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By the way didn't you say you were gonna add rings and wisps to his optional equipment? Cuz those are missing.
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I have edited the note to add Doom Surf and Doom Morph, as the OP of this thread only argues Shadow is a different tier when completed/fighting Devil Doom.
ShakeResounding
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Oops. Totally forgot about that, I haven't been in the clearest headspace and my eagerness to finish this stalled CRT doesn't help.
If we need the pages re-unlocked, we'll have to quote Mav to get his attention. And I'm still not in a position to edit.
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Shadow's page is still unlocked. That's how I changed the note.
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oi, why is Shadow's note saying "Base Shadow (Modern) has access to Doom Powers to the extent of Doom Spear, Doom Blast, Doom Surf and Doom Morph, as anything more results in a power increase that brings him to a higher Tier. The initial appearance of Doom Wing isn't included, as it was an involuntary act that Shadow couldn't access until becoming Evolved." Implying only Doom Wing makes him that high... when the rating says:
"Complex Multiverse level (Noted and showcased to have increased power. Fought with Modern Devil Doom and pushed him into transforming), higher with Doom Wing (Fought on par with Neo Devil Doom, an empowered version of Devil Doom, and ultimately killed him)"
Aka making him a higher tier without Doom Wing? Him not being that high without Doom Wing wasn't accepted by any staff and is contradicted by the sandbox linked in the OP, so can someone explain? Else it would need to be reverted
"Complex Multiverse level (Noted and showcased to have increased power. Fought with Modern Devil Doom and pushed him into transforming), higher with Doom Wing (Fought on par with Neo Devil Doom, an empowered version of Devil Doom, and ultimately killed him)"
Aka making him a higher tier without Doom Wing? Him not being that high without Doom Wing wasn't accepted by any staff and is contradicted by the sandbox linked in the OP, so can someone explain? Else it would need to be reverted
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There's nothing contradictory there, getting Doom Wing is what made Shadow completed, yet Shadow doesn't need TO BE in Doom Wing to be tier 1. It's that simple. Using this logic the previous note seemed to imply Shadow was only tier 1 with Doom Surf but went back to base when getting to the ground. This is genuinely a reading comprehension diff.
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"Base Shadow (Modern) has access to Doom Powers to the extent of Doom Spear, Doom Blast, Doom Surf and Doom Morph, as anything more results in a power increase that brings him to a higher Tier. The initial appearance of Doom Wing isn't included, as it was an involuntary act that Shadow couldn't access until becoming Evolved."
Is linguistically wrong then. The way this is worded, has it so nothing but Doom Wing elevates Shadow past Base Modern, as that's what is noted to be the base foundation working beyond, and anything past that, is what elevates him higher in tiering and without wings all that is equatable to base.
The profile in actuality has it so he's 1-C or whatever even without Doom Wing, and Doom Wing just puts him higher into said tier, not higher in tiering.
That contradicts the actual rating on the profile where Shadow is 1-C, and with Wings he's simply further into it. This "as anything more results in a power increase that brings him to a higher Tier." being the problematic line.
This is basic english, I'm not sure why you're calling it a reading comprehension issue when it's literally a case of basic words not entailing what's actually indexed.
Is linguistically wrong then. The way this is worded, has it so nothing but Doom Wing elevates Shadow past Base Modern, as that's what is noted to be the base foundation working beyond, and anything past that, is what elevates him higher in tiering and without wings all that is equatable to base.
The profile in actuality has it so he's 1-C or whatever even without Doom Wing, and Doom Wing just puts him higher into said tier, not higher in tiering.
That contradicts the actual rating on the profile where Shadow is 1-C, and with Wings he's simply further into it. This "as anything more results in a power increase that brings him to a higher Tier." being the problematic line.
This is basic english, I'm not sure why you're calling it a reading comprehension issue when it's literally a case of basic words not entailing what's actually indexed.
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The only thing I did was add Doom Surf and Morph there, so blame the person who wrote the original note. I will add it a better explanation that will make you two happy.
There you go, I added this sentence so people don't misunderstand.
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Uh I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this justification is hot hot stinky garbage, there's nothing suggesting this ability besides some vague "oh well the boss fight is kinda like a Super Form boss fight." Not taking damage in-game isn't enough
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This not accepted in this thread, it was the previous one.
ShakeResounding
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I think removing Invulnerability will require another thread, not to be that guy.
Are there any more issues on the page? I want this CRT done with already. A CRT can be made to remove Invulnerability right after this if you guys want to make it, this waiting period has burned me out.
Are there any more issues on the page? I want this CRT done with already. A CRT can be made to remove Invulnerability right after this if you guys want to make it, this waiting period has burned me out.
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ShakeResounding
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Fixed this and added a Stat Value note for where he scales.
If that was the last of the issues with the page (Invulnerability aside), then this might be good to finish.
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I’m a little iffy on the cyber corruption resistance for Doom Morph, not sure what is cyber-esque about the purple corruption.
A note could be made that Shadow does not immediately explode when taking off the rings in his evolved state.
Black Arms should be solar system minimum in Adventure, not large star, and all the uni+ statistics should be low multiversal, and if devil doom is there he should just be labeled as 1-C instead of “far higher”
A note could be made that Shadow does not immediately explode when taking off the rings in his evolved state.
Black Arms should be solar system minimum in Adventure, not large star, and all the uni+ statistics should be low multiversal, and if devil doom is there he should just be labeled as 1-C instead of “far higher”
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This was, again, accepted in the previous thread.
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Guess I’ll see the reasoning there, sorry
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Was it in the first Overlord thread or the first thread on Shadow Gens, can’t seem to find it
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Looks like someone broke the Optional Equpment section, I'd rather wait for Shake to apply his own changes to the optional equipment before this CRT is done with.
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the links to Shadow's durability in the Sonic Riders - Sonic Riders Zero Gravity key are all from Gens, which happens 2 keys ahead, can i change it?
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p. sure you can
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First Shadow Gens thread.
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