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I think it'd be slower than that too; most of the Naruto characters are currently overated - in my opinion.
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
Apollonir.Scale
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Hiruzen
Ghostimuscrime
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that's fair
what feat did he have to deserve it
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while i agree with you that the speed scaling would need to be really looked at i don't think this case is one.
1. The distance the bomb was fired from was quite a large distance, A sub rel character could probably react to it easily, heck high end MHS+
2. THey still had kurama chakra amping them howbeit in a shrunken down state noted by katsuya
3. Bee outran it coz the walls slowed it down a lot especially the final main wall, the dude who made it was capable of restraining the 10 tails so slowing the bomb down is not far fetched
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@Ghostimuscrime this is one of the speed issues i noticed.
1. base minato could drop a kunai in time to teleport the TBB while coming from pretty much off screen. He'd have to have ftl reactions at least. This would affect kcm2 naruto and possibly obito and kakashi. It would also affect tobirama and sage mode madara
1. base minato could drop a kunai in time to teleport the TBB while coming from pretty much off screen. He'd have to have ftl reactions at least. This would affect kcm2 naruto and possibly obito and kakashi. It would also affect tobirama and sage mode madara
Ghostimuscrime
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yeah I was thinking of downgrading base minato to MHS+ with FTL reactions
he currently has subrel likely for the cloud brother shenanigans and masked man obito gets his MHS+ from Minato which makes it all weird
so changing it to this makes me think those issues are solved
Base : MHS+ combat with FTL reactions
SM : higher
KM : FTL combat
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Didn't you just say that the walls slowed down the Biju Bomb in the post above?
Testarossa002
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I really don't know the difference between A4's LCM but wouldn't Sasuke's reaction scale to him?
That scaling is in a vacuum anyways because nobody blitzes him as far as I remember
Also, I'm fairly certain Base Minato would end up scaling to him
Other mentions:
1. Sage Mode Kabuto (Self Explanatory)
2. The rest of the gokage
I'm going to reserve the rest of my observations for whenever the thread gets made
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you're right problem solved
Apollonir.Scale
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Considering that he surpassed Tobirama, he shouldn't be much less than him in terms of speed. He was able to save Naruto from the divine tree without Tobirama noticing. He can help Hashirama and Tobirama in battle.
Testarossa002
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Sparkle has a whole thesis on minato's speed rating in-verse
Safe to say what you're proposing doesn't exactly align with his views
Have fun though
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well damage just fixed the problem. Only kcm minato would be ftl. I'm pretty sure his base self would get a speed revison along with some other characters if i recall correctly
yeah no i disagree with most of these ratings. Narratively there should be no way these guys should be ftl
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base minato profile is outdated
his reactions scale to Juubidara who is 4c
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hell no. Bro and his combo attack with kakashi got swatted away
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reactions
he intercepted and teleported madara tso
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Guys I'm playing storm one and there is a mission where i have to use only ninjutsu to win the battle yet simultaneously land at least 3 hits on my opponent when the character is down. Help !!!!!!!!
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storm 1 in big 2025 is crazy ngl
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he most definitely did not react. I still don't understand why madara is rated as 4c here. since when did him at one eye apply to speed? He should just upscale from ftl(1.1c) obito until something is done for guy
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I never played storm 1 and 2. I just played 3
Ghostimuscrime
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may I see a scan for the first?
I don't think the others are really enough grounds to say he gets this
as a D1 Minato downplayer i have to
/sI am only changing the naruto sm and edo jin stuff
everyone else was previously scaled to kcm1 naruto is getting the tier changed with justifications being the same
um akshually its 4.56 c
I think he should get ftl reactions cuz he tp'd out of the way before AY got to hit, this is presuming their young versions scale as fast as their wa forms
if you don't think that is the case then he doesnt get it
1 eye juubidara is treated as 50% Hagoromo
so he's given half of Prime Hags speed
9.12/2 = 4.56
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Yeah, I don't think Alan Jia's gonna be happy about this line of thought.
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Surpassing someone in talent =/= surpassing them in speed, or necessarily even being comparable to them.
Ghostimuscrime
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hiruzen in his childhood is NOT above tobirama this clearly has nothing to do with stats
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yeah, that's just not what Sasuke is saying here.They Dont "Expand" from their shrunken size, they get restored instantly, there is no pushback because there is no speed here, its just an instant restoration to their normal size
if we take the non instant interpretation, then you would have to cope that not only is this statement false, But that Jigen can expand the rods while their inside naruto and sasuke and cause damage, which would mean he could have Reverse-Vored them, expanding until they literally explode (he can enlarge them to kurama sizes so theres no size copium)
For one the word instant is meant to describe something coming in an incredibly short amount of time, not coming in 0 time at all.
Also, it makes no difference whether he restores them or they slowly grow, if they can't get past the atomic spatial barrier prior to being expanded, then the restoration would push the rod further from Gojo as it takes up more space because there is still pressure being exuded by Limitless outside of the "getting slower the closer you get" effect.
You would need to prove that the word instantly in this case means that they restores at an infinite speed.
And if this Sasuke statement is all you have, it's almost 100% just saying that it shrinks and restores objects in an incredibly short amount of time.
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He leaves him behind with his greater skill. In order to show his skills in a possible match, he needs to be able to keep up with his speed.
Ghostimuscrime
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I missed this
but adding kabuto to the list
why would the gokage get this scaling? madara toyed with em, none of the gokage were scaled to Ay previously, and if they do get, it'll reach characters like deidara and sai via ohnoki and you prob know where the issue heads to
I think there is a statement saying even sasuke's sharingan can't perceive Ay's V1 state so he realistically shouldnt get it tbh
I might put the crt out by today since I'm done outlining things, just need to put scans in
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realizing how big of a change that previous bijuudama thread has caused, I'm very hesitant in being involved in the next one tbh. frankly I've lost interest. only reason why I decided to give input is bc speed revisions won't come in a long long time so I thought I would give my input bc it'd be unfair to say "speed is being worked on" when frankly it isn't lol. AP still needs to be finished first speed hasn't even been touched yet afaik.
but clearly people have issues with the repercussions of this last thread and I partly feel bad because I was the first person who agreed with it, even though the logic within the CRT was sound it seems like it'll cause a bigger mess and I don't wanna be involved anymore than I have to. if the thread drops and it happens to be unanimously agreed amongst everyone (it won't) then maybe I'll give my input but I think I'll butt out of it
but clearly people have issues with the repercussions of this last thread and I partly feel bad because I was the first person who agreed with it, even though the logic within the CRT was sound it seems like it'll cause a bigger mess and I don't wanna be involved anymore than I have to. if the thread drops and it happens to be unanimously agreed amongst everyone (it won't) then maybe I'll give my input but I think I'll butt out of it
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Yeah no. Literally same words they use to describe flying raijin. We are not going to be shifting the goalpost.
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Don't worry about it Nierre. Something can be fine in a vacuum while having larger consequences no one can expect. I'll drop my own thread on it in a few days.
Testarossa002
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Ohnoki, Gaara and Mei react to his attacks in various ways
I doubt deidara blitzed ohnoki so this should be of no consequence to him
He straight up evades A4's elbow thrust and countered with Chidori. I'm pretty sure it's a justification on Sasuke's profile
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I’m sure if you really looked, you could find many jutsu, or abilities in fiction that are described as working instantly.
That’s also not why Flying Raijin is considered Teleportation, it’s considered teleportation because we’re verbatim told it’s a space time ninjutsu that teleports you to places where marks are placed.
Also that’s not what Goal Post moving is.
Goal post moving would be if we accepted Flying Raijin as teleportation solely because it’s “instant.” And didn’t do so for Sukunahikona’s shrinking.
Please stop misusing that phrase.
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What's happening with speed?
Ghostimuscrime
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that's okay
his attacks didnt really go all out per say, so we cant really say they reacted to FP madara
for sasuke there's this statement taking it away
when sasuke later on evades ay and thrusts in him, it was a bait
he evades amaterasu which relies on perception speed
sasuke reacts to his later attack with amaterasu, which is more of a perception speed feat
reaction requires movement
so at best it'd be mhs+ upto FTL reactions with Amaterasu
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question: how does boruto's rasengan work? how strong is it?
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Seems like a really simple question
Stronger then his punches, he can throw it and it turns invisible, it can damage you internally like all rasengan.
Das bout it.
Did you mean rasengan uzuhiko?
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Boruto Uzumaki
Boruto Uzumaki is a shinobi from Konohagakure's Uzumaki clan, the son of the Seventh Hokage Naruto Uzumaki and Hinata Hyūga. Initially, after his father became Hokage while he becomes a genin under Konohamaru Sarutobi alongside Sarada Uchiha and Mitsuki, Boruto resented his father for not having...
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Ghostimuscrime
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Ghostimuscrime
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God that took so f***** long to make, tap in pls
MinatoSparkle
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I have some disagreements but I'll get to that within the thread itself
Yeah, but same story as above
