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Ayo @Bleach and @onepiece once we get that 2c Shibai your verse is done for and the inevitable will happen. Pull up with your goons to what will be the greatest match that vs Wiki has ever seen. Big three they say…… lol


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Ayo @Bleach and @onepiece once we get that 2c Shibai your verse is done for and the inevitable will happen. Pull up with your goons to what will be the greatest match that vs Wiki has ever seen. Big three they say…… lol


WHO IS HE THAT STANDETH IN THE PRESENCE OF THE MIGHTY



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not even sure why people care about the low 2-C rating, outside of kick and punch merchants, Shibai even with a full on 2-B rating he would be on the lower end of 2-B's in both hax and AP
This is how I feel about DP and W.I.T.C.H., their at the lower end of the spectrum of 2-A but to me it's not about the tier despite their capabilities. Naruto and other verses should be grateful they don't enter the Tier 2/1 threshold, it's not the safest place.
 
This is how I feel about DP and W.I.T.C.H., their at the lower end of the spectrum of 2-A but to me it's not about the tier despite their capabilities. Naruto and other verses should be grateful they don't enter the Tier 2/1 threshold, it's not the safest place.
The Wanked manga Shonen protagonist when he has to fight the wanked JRPG protagonist

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A mere mortal bound by the laws of physics dares to challenge a god. Too bad he couldn’t even fulfill his mandate.

“And over nine days, he shall recover the world.’

Yeah, right. Get him past Kurosaki first, a fake wannabe god that died. No sir, over here, we don’t die “we ascend”.


"Look at the top of his head!" 😯 😂😭
 
I meant not 😭
Yes, he does lol.
He's the originator of all ninjutsu the same way Kaguya is the originator of all chakra
Probably an artistic choice by Kishimoto, otherwise why would Juugo still be there?
Maybe just safer to be there 🤷‍♂️
And furthermore why would Naruto/Sasuke just let go of an extra power source against an opponent like Juubito?
Could just be that since the target/medium is no longer just the Susano'o, but rather the MAS as a whole which becomes a single chakra entity essentially, Juugo's Senjutsu chakra just got assimilated into Naruto's.
Could also be that Jugo wasn't able to use the CM anymore (not like he can maintain it forever) or that different senjutsu power ups can't stack
It's just a game of likelihoods. The mere fact that Juugo was within that avatar means one can't claim with certainty that he didn't offer that amp, and so I feel the safer assumption is to say he did.
It'd essentially mean the Legged Susanoo~the Perfect Susanoo though, since he was relative to BSM Naruto with both.
 
Ayo @Bleach and @onepiece once we get that 2c Shibai your verse is done for and the inevitable will happen. Pull up with your goons to what will be the greatest match that vs Wiki has ever seen. Big three they say…… lol


WHO IS HE THAT STANDETH IN THE PRESENCE OF THE MIGHTY



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Every time I open this website, I’m reminded why I should stay off
 
I meant not 😭
Yeah, because Hashirama puts his ass on a T-shirt. It's a hilariously bad match-up. That doesn't mean I think Naruto gets perception blitzed and vaporized. Those two stances are not mutually exclusive.
He's the originator of all ninjutsu the same way Kaguya is the originator of all chakra
Not even remotely comparable.
Maybe just safer to be there 🤷‍♂️

Could also be that Jugo wasn't able to use the CM anymore (not like he can maintain it forever) or that different senjutsu power ups can't stack
It could also be that I'd be a bike if I had wheels. 🤷‍♂️
It'd essentially mean the Legged Susanoo~the Perfect Susanoo though, since he was relative to BSM Naruto with both.
Not really, you're forgetting the Legged Susano'o (w/CM) was also amped through a Kyuubi cloak. Sasuke only lost his Kyuubi cloak when Juubito knocked them out of their avatars and they made the MAS.
 
Possibly. I guess given that Madara received a boost from it later on, that indicates that Obito removed a significant portion of his chakra in that moment.
Would it be possible that the reason Madara received a boost from absorbing a portion of the God Tree is because it was able to absorb Chakra from the Shinobi/Samurai Alliance and Naruto, and then from Chap 646 to Chap 673 it was just chilling in the background sucking the planet's juice?
 
Would it be possible that the reason Madara received a boost from absorbing a portion of the God Tree is because it was able to absorb Chakra from the Shinobi/Samurai Alliance and Naruto, and then from Chap 646 to Chap 673 it was just chilling in the background sucking the planet's juice?
That's a pretty cool way of looking at it. Yeah, I think it's possible. It's not like the chakra it absorbed just vanished into thin air after all.
 
@DavidTPPM
We know that Momoshiki is considered a greater threat than Kaguya, and Isshiki is described as the strongest foe the series has ever seen. Yet, for some reason, being a “peerless, unique existence” is enough to achieve ETSO. It’s not like Momoshiki or Isshiki weren’t already far beyond Kaguya in terms of power and threat level. Don’t even get me started on how inconsistent this feels. Nevertheless, I digress.
 
Is there any statement of Isshiki having unrivaled power? Just like straight up this

Which would have been accepted if the site wasn't using machine translations so it's not about the statement but it's origins.
Replying from Deceived's thread

Can you point me to why being unrivalled means your physicals >their strongest overtime jutsu as opposed to your physicals being above their physicals


base shibai isnt even peerless he is in the process of being that via fruits
isshiki has that, hes comparatively way way more peerless than the likes of kaguya


you either give it to both or you give it to neither, idk why the standards went down all of a sudden after seeing isshiki get refused etso scaling for years
 
Replying from Deceived's thread
How tf did you grab my comment from a different thread lmao
Can you point me to why being unrivalled means your physicals >their strongest overtime jutsu as opposed to your physicals being above their physicals
Being peerless should mean he's above anything else in the verse so far. If ETSO was above him in just 15 years of growing (which is already a hilariously massive lowball) - time that's basically a day in the eyes of Otsutsukis as they live for millenias, then he's not exactly peerless.
base shibai isnt even peerless he is in the process of being that via fruits
isshiki has that, hes comparatively way way more peerless than the likes of kaguya
Based on what Amado said he achieved godhood before ascending so base Shibai would still be a "peerless being"
you either give it to both or you give it to neither, idk why the standards went down all of a sudden after seeing isshiki get refused etso scaling for years
Except, as far as I'm aware, Isshiki no has statements like Shibai does. The entire narrative around Shibai is to be the absolute peak of the verse, completely unrivaled and the end goal that no other Otsutsuki managed to come even close to. I really don't see any reason for Isshiki share any of Shibais reasons to ETSO scaling
 
I mean, off guard or not, Kaguya bisecting Isshiki really narratively nerfs him. I doubt the intent is the same in how even pre ascension Shibai is portrayed in his descriptions.
 
Can you point me to why being unrivalled means your physicals >their strongest overtime jutsu as opposed to your physicals being above their physicals
His physicals doesn't scale to ETSO tier because he's unrivalled. It scales because of divine fruits augmenting his physicals similar to how it does with his AP. I don't know how solid the justification is (and I think someone pointed it out in the thread) with no UES and all
His attack potency is what scales because of unrivalled yada yada
 
Some certain persons Collaboration

Let’s create a CRT to upgrade the verse.

The CRT Proposal

Our argument is as follows… (hshghaugsyg egsygsnjaffeoabgysnbsuvzyusgysgb bam bam bam bam)

Some certain Mods( I will not mention):

• Mod 1: Wow, that’s a beautiful argument. I agree.

• Mod 2: I agree with Mod 1.

• Mod 3: Same here.

• Mod 4: Absolutely.

• Mod 5: I’m on board.


A Random Naruto/Boruto Fan’s Attempt

I’d like to propose a CRT for a god-tier upgrade in this verse. ( makes a coherent argument )

Mods:

• Mod 1: I don't see a line of logic here.

• Mod 2: I disagree, and for the same reason Mod 1 stated.

• Mod 3: I also disagree for the same reason.

• Mod 4: Yep, I agree with Mods 1-3.

• Mod 5: Count me in. Disagree.

Fan: Wait, this isn’t fair! Your arguments are weak and full of fallacies!

The Mods React

A certain person
: How dare you accuse the mods of using fallacies?

Mod 1: You dare question my argument? Be careful before we ban you.

Mod 2: I second that. Watch yourself.

Mod 3: Yeah, tread lightly or face the consequences.

Mod 4: Be cautious, or we’ll have to ban you.

Mod 5: Consider this your last warning.


Then we have inconsistency everywhere and the most flawed reasons you can ever imagine for a discussion rule
 
Idk how people can read the Shibai argument and think Isshiki’s is anything like it without reducing both arguments to “they eat lot of fruit” and just ignoring any nuance and context.
Arc quit being dishonest youre trying so hard for isshiki not get it but for shibai to get it
theyre the same species
they get stronger in the same way
they have more or less the same justifications
How tf did you grab my comment from a different thread lmao

Being peerless should mean he's above anything else in the verse so far. If ETSO was above him in just 15 years of growing (which is already a hilariously massive lowball) - time that's basically a day in the eyes of Otsutsukis as they live for millenias, then he's not exactly peerless.

Based on what Amado said he achieved godhood before ascending so base Shibai would still be a "peerless being"

Except, as far as I'm aware, Isshiki no has statements like Shibai does. The entire narrative around Shibai is to be the absolute peak of the verse, completely unrivaled and the end goal that no other Otsutsuki managed to come even close to. I really don't see any reason for Isshiki share any of Shibais reasons to ETSO scaling
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oh yeah? just being unrivalled which inherently means above everyone is enough to get physicals above etso? aight isshiki is stated the strongest foe up till that point in time, now what? you wanna give 4B to him?


also i'm sure this is pregod hood shibai so you dont get to use god scaling here
it didnt say no otsutsuki came close to, its stated thats their goal lmao
I mean, off guard or not, Kaguya bisecting Isshiki really narratively nerfs him. I doubt the intent is the same in how even pre ascension Shibai is portrayed in his descriptions.
At one point I gotta realise some people are too dishonest for their own good, I wont even waste breath on this bait
 
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