Unity of Everything

[Livinaa]

"Everything that has existed, is existing, and would exist lingers in eternity"

Eternity is the unity of everything that has existed, is existing, and would exist.

Among those that has existed and is existing are Low 1-A character and 1-A character.

What would Eternity's tier be?

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

still 1A

 

[Livinaa]

still 1A

Can you explain why it's still 1-A?

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Can you explain why it's still 1-A?

Nothing suggests any transcendent over the structures, it is just containing them.
like we keep saying it needs to

transcend the generic quality defining a those 1A structures or potential qualitative layers from those structures rather than just containing them

 

[Livinaa]

Nothing suggests any transcendent over the structures, it is just containing them.
like we keep saying it needs to

transcend the generic quality defining a those 1A structures or potential qualitative layers from those structures rather than just containing them

It's neither transcendent over nor containing them. Eternity is the unity of everything that has existed, is existing, and would exist. In Eternity, there's no difference, all is one wholeness.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

It's neither transcendent over nor containing them. Eternity is the unity of everything that has existed, is existing, and would exist. In Eternity, there's no difference, all is one wholeness.

Eternity is everything ,past, present, and future. Then Eternity would still be 1A, because in this content we take the highest thing Eternity encompasses as her,his tier .

 

[Livinaa]

Eternity is everything ,past, present, and future.

I don't think "has existed, is existing, and would exist" refer to past, present, and future though. One of the beings that is included in "unity of everything" here is the concept of space and the concept of time. There's also the nondual, void/non-existent Chaos that predates all concepts, including concept of space and concept of time.

Since Eternity here is the unity of everything, including dual and nondual concepts, making it one wholeness with no difference, thus being intrinsically different than either Low 1-A and 1-A, it should atleast be High 1-A i think.

Edit : Here's how that nondual, void/non-existent Chaos refers to itself in relation to Eternity

"We are eternal beings. Intelligent spirits before this mortal life. We are now living part of eternity. Our mortal birth was not the beginning death, which faces all of us is not the end..."

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

I don't think "has existed, is existing, and would exist" refer to past, present, and future though.

thats what they mean

One of the beings that is included in "unity of everything" here is the concept of space and the concept of time. There's also the nondual, void/non-existent Chaos that predates all concepts, including concept of space and concept of time.

I see, but concepts of space and time are not by default Low 1A, but are by default Type 2 concepts which scale to just how many dimensions the verse has. You have to prove concepts of space/time are the very essence, definition, of space/time and are the source of all space/time ,the essence is independent and separated from all spatiotemporal particulars things that originated from them. That's for Low 1A.For 1A you need one more thing

the chaos/void predating concepts of space/time and all concepts does not make it 1A. It is stated and nondual. You have to prove there is duality in the verse.

Q: Is predating the concepts of space and time an 1-A feat?​ A: No. As said above, predating a certain concept does not necessarily imply any form of superiority over it

Since Eternity here is the unity of everything, including dual and nondual concepts, making it one wholeness with no difference, thus being intrinsically different than either Low 1-A and 1-A, it should atleast be High 1-A i think.

Edit : Here's how that nondual, void/non-existent Chaos refers to itself in relation to Eternity

nope

 

[Livinaa]

I see, but concepts of space and time are not by default Low 1A, but are by default Type 2 concepts which scale to just how many dimensions the verse has. You have to prove space/time are the very essence, definition, and fundamental of space/time and it is the source of all space/time and the essence is independent and separated from all temporal things that originated from them. That's for Low 1A.

Here's what Space means:

RAW JP

「空間」とは、宇宙だけでなく、次元、物理などの概念を指す。それは果て無き概念であり、いまだ永遠に成長している概念である。

DeepL translation

The term "space" refers not only to the universe, but also to dimensionality, physics, and other concepts. It is an endless concept, one that is still forever growing.

It's also a Type 1 Concept, since it's the first Concept created by the Gods to make the World. Before Space was created by the Gods, there's no Existence at all, only Chaos/Void. And even after the Gods created Space and the others, Chaos is still present, encompassing them and superior to them.

I'm not really sure if Chaos/Void is nondual. Chaos would be 0 to Space's 1. And since Space encompass all the other Concepts due to being the first Concept to be created by the Gods, Space should encompass dualities that exist in the World.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Here's what Space means:

RAW JP


DeepL translation


It's also a Type 1 Concept, since it's the first Concept created by the Gods to make the World. Before Space was created by the Gods, there's no Existence at all, only Chaos/Void. And even after the Gods created Space and the others, Chaos is still present, encompassing them and superior to them.

i asked for translate

"Space" not only refers to the universe but concepts as well such as dimensions and physics. It is an endless concept, one that keeps on going forever.

not so diffrent
it would still depend on the cosmology because it only encompass type 2 concepts .

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I'm not really sure if Chaos/Void is nondual. Chaos would be 0 to Space's 1. And since Space encompass all the other Concepts due to being the first Concept to be created by the Gods, Space should encompass dualities that exist in the World.

We don't just assume all concepts in a verse includes the concept of duality; you have to prove certain concepts.

 

[Livinaa]

not so diffrent
it would still depend on the cosmology because it only encompass type 2 concepts .

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Does someone remember where we agreed to place "controlling/embodying all concepts"? I mean in the case where concepts refer to something like universals, to be clear. (Since I know we use the term loosely) Just thinking about what to do with the more powerful concept manipulators :unsure...

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According to Ultima, being superior to dimensions will always land you at either Low 1-A or 1-A, regardless of the concept type. Being superior to concept 1/2/3 of dimensions will still land you at atleast Low 1-A.

Beyond the concept of dimensions

I have a question that I hope to answer accurately if there is a verse that has 5 dimensions and there is a letter from the same verse that exceeds the concept of dimensions, does it exceed the concept of dimensions completely or will it be 5 dimensions (according to the dimensions in the...

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Since Space as a Concept encompass not only the concept of dimensions, but also other concepts such as physics and many more (since it's an eternally growing Concept), it's atleast Low 1-A, and possibly 1-A.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

According to Ultima, being superior to dimensions will always land you at either Low 1-A or 1-A, regardless of the concept type. Being superior to concept 1/2/3 of dimensions will still land you at atleast Low 1-A.

What ultima meant by superior is that you have to transcend, surpass, ascend, above the concept of dimensions, which is not the case here.

Beyond the concept of dimensions

I have a question that I hope to answer accurately if there is a verse that has 5 dimensions and there is a letter from the same verse that exceeds the concept of dimensions, does it exceed the concept of dimensions completely or will it be 5 dimensions (according to the dimensions in the...

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Since Space as a Concept encompass not only the concept of dimensions, but also other concepts such as physics and many more (since it's an eternally growing Concept), it's atleast Low 1-A, and possibly 1-A.

I don't think I even see 1B or High 1B because they need to state how many dimensions there are not just "Space also refers to dimensions" because it can be talking about the normal 3 dimensions

 

[Livinaa]

What ultima meant by superior is that you have to transcend, surpass, ascend, above the concept of dimensions, which is not the case here.

Encompassing the concept of dimensions and other concepts is the same as being above concept of dimensions. To encompass something, one must necessarily be bigger/superior to the thing being encompassed.

I don't think I even see 1B or High 1B because they need to state how many dimensions there are not just "Space also refers to dimensions" because it can be talking about the normal 3 dimensions

Space refers to concepts, and among those concepts are dimensions, physics, and many other. Aka concept of dimensions, concept of physics, etc...

It's not talking about physical dimensions, instead it's talking about concept of dimensions.

Concept of dimensions encompass all possible dimensions. Low 1-A.

Space encompassing the concept of dimensions among many other concepts makes it bigger/superior to concept of dimensions.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Encompassing the concept of dimensions and other concepts is the same as being above concept of dimensions. To encompass something, one must necessarily be bigger/superior to the thing being encompassed.

wrong content only aplies to the void stuff , for concept stuff you need a direct statement that says "you transcerd the very concept of dimensions"

Space refers to concepts, and among those concepts are dimensions, physics, and many other. Aka concept of dimensions, concept of physics, etc...

It's not talking about physical dimensions, instead it's talking about concept of dimensions.

Concept of dimensions encompass all possible dimensions. Low 1-A.

I already said why this is not low 1A

concepts of space,dimensions and time are not by default Low 1A, but are by default Type 2 concepts which scale to just how many dimensions the verse has. You have to prove concepts of space, dimensions /time are the very essence, definition, of space, dimensions /time and are the source of all space, dimensions /time ,the essence is independent and separated from all spatiotemporal particulars things that originated from them. That's for Low 1A.

You have not yet proved they are independent and separated from their particulars. The only context it has is that it is called a concept, that’s it.

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Does someone remember where we agreed to place "controlling/embodying all concepts"? I mean in the case where concepts refer to something like universals, to be clear. (Since I know we use the term loosely) Just thinking about what to do with the more powerful concept manipulators :unsure...

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[Livinaa]

wrong content only aplies to the void stuff

Void of nothingness is for BDE 2nd Type 2 which is 1-A, not for BDE 1st Type 2 which is Low 1-A. Also the Chaos/Void that i talked about before should be BDE 2nd Type 2, since it's a nothingness that existed before and encompasses all Concepts created by the Gods, including Space. It's also unbound from Space and Time.

, for concept stuff you need a direct statement that says "you transcerd the very concept of dimensions"

Encompassing concept of dimensions and multiple other concepts is as direct as transcending the concept of dimensions.

wrong content only aplies to the void stuff , for concept stuff you need a direct statement that says "you transcerd the very concept of dimensions"

I already said why this is not low 1A

concepts of space,dimensions and time are not by default Low 1A, but are by default Type 2 concepts which scale to just how many dimensions the verse has. You have to prove concepts of space, dimensions /time are the very essence, definition, of space, dimensions /time and are the source of all space, dimensions /time ,the essence is independent and separated from all spatiotemporal particulars things that originated from them. That's for Low 1A.

You have not yet proved they are independent and separated from their particulars. The only context it has is that it is called a concept, that’s it.

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Does someone remember where we agreed to place "controlling/embodying all concepts"? I mean in the case where concepts refer to something like universals, to be clear. (Since I know we use the term loosely) Just thinking about what to do with the more powerful concept manipulators :unsure...

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Again, Ultima said that being superior to concept of dimensions, regardless of which Type the concept of dimensions is, will always be Low 1-A.

Also encompassing the concept of dimensions and many other concepts, yet not being restricted to them and still growing eternally sounds like it's independent and separated from even the concept of dimensions.

It has other context other than being called as a concept. Firstly, it's the very first Concept created by the Gods, meaning that all concept it encompasses originates from it.

A member of the Council and the Speaker of "Space," the very first concept created by the Gods.

「議会」の一角であり、神々より作られし最初の概念「空間」の代弁者にあたる。

It's created as the very first Concept by the Gods to build the World.

On the day I descended and had awakened, “The Gods” had only just begun the world’s construction, and the shaping of “Concepts” had just started. In the beginning, “The Gods” created “Space.”

私がこの地に舞い降りて目覚めた頃、

神々は「概念」を作り、

世界を構築し始めたばかりだった。

初めに、神々は「空間」を構築した。

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Void of nothingness is for BDE 2nd Type 2 which is 1-A, not for BDE 1st Type 2 which is Low 1-A. Also the Chaos/Void that i talked about before should be BDE 2nd Type 2, since it's a nothingness that existed before and encompasses all Concepts created by the Gods, including Space. It's also unbound from Space and Time.

Ok, i can see that

Encompassing concept of dimensions and multiple other concepts is as direct as transcending the concept of dimensions.

Nope, it does not. it is just containing them , not transcending it. And where does it say Encompassing = Transcendent?

Again, Ultima said that being superior to concept of dimensions, regardless of which Type the concept of dimensions is, will always be Low 1-A.

thats only applies if a character is stated to transcerd the concept .

Also encompassing the concept of dimensions and many other concepts, yet not being restricted to them and still growing eternally sounds like it's independent and separated from even the concept of dimensions.

It has other context other than being called as a concept. Firstly, it's the very first Concept created by the Gods, meaning that all concept it encompasses originates from it.

It's created as the very first Concept by the Gods to build the World.

Ultima already said that does not cut it and it does not follow all the steps, characteristics
Independent and separated here means that the essence exists in a Conceptual Realm, which is a higher world,plane than its particulars and a statement of independent

 

[Livinaa]

Ultima already said that does not cut it and it does not follow all the steps, characteristics
Independent and separated here means that the essence exists in a Conceptual Realm, which is a higher world,plane than its particulars and a statement of independent

Space is not just "prior to the world in some way", it's the very first Concept created by the Gods to create the World and all of Existence. There's nothing else prior to it beside the Chaos/Void that is BDE 2nd Type 2.

All things in the World (excluding the other 2 Concepts created by the Gods) originate from Space, including concept of dimensions, since it's the very Concept that all things is dependent on, while Space isn't dependent on the things in encompasses, since it's the very first Concept, with nothing prior to it.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Space is not just "prior to the world in some way"

does not matter

people just take for granted that their vague "Personification of X" characters meet them so long as they predate the world, when that's not really the case.

, it's the very first Concept created by the Gods to create the World and all of Existence. There's nothing else prior to it beside the Chaos/Void that is BDE 2nd Type 2.

The void of nothingness stuff is aspatial and atemporal in comparison to normal reality, meant to convey how much greater it is.

since it's a nothingness that existed before and encompasses all Concepts created by the Gods, including Space. It's also unbound from Space and Time.

So it should also encompassing and surrounding all dimensional structures as a container not just encompasses all Concepts .

All things in the World (excluding the other 2 Concepts created by the Gods) originate from Space

, including concept of dimensions, since it's the very Concept that all things is dependent on, while Space isn't dependent on the things in encompasses, since it's the very first Concept, with nothing prior to it.

this means it is not the very essence, definition , "what-it-is-to-be" space since it has other qualities that are not space

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Eternity is the unity of everything that has existed, is existing, and would exist.

Among those that has existed and is existing are Low 1-A character and 1-A character.

What would Eternity's tier be?

If Eternity here encompasses both Low 1-A[Non 1-A] and 1-A, that's essentially gonna be High 1-A, yeah. That is, of course, assuming no anti-feat exists.
If it encompasses Non 1-A and a lower level of fiction, that's still gonna be the same, too, because the common genus between them is still R>F, and lacking the distinction between "R" and "F" is essentially High 1-A.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

If Eternity here encompasses both Low 1-A[Non 1-A] and 1-A, that's essentially gonna be High 1-A, yeah.

Nope you the only one who belives that .

Ultima already told you this all-encompassing, vague oneness, etc., don’t even cut it for 1A because they don’t suggest any transcend.

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The reason why some failed Tier 0 characters are 1A or high 1A is because they have a direct statement that says they "transcend" all differentiations, not that assuming you do.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Ultima already told you this all-encompassing, vague oneness, etc., don’t even cut it for 1A because they don’t suggest any transcend.

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Ultima meant that as in the context was not enough, because "were all was one and one was all" can very well denote towards a point [a dimensional singularity] as well. [In a space where only a point exists and nothing else, then that kind of statement can be used here]. Ultima didn't meant it as statements indicating unity are not 1-A at all.

We treat a 1-A void as it is because it not only encompasses physical reality, but also lacks the differentiation between dimensional levels. Moving that to a step higher, a "Void" that lacks the composition that makes Non 1-A and 1-A reality simultaneously while encompassing both of them can only be High 1-A.
From Ultima:

The notion of "hierarchy" and "framework," in particular, is of interest here. 1-A transcends the framework of all lower tiers, and High 1-A in turn transcends the framework of 1-A. This "framework," precisely defined, means nothing more than a series (Or more accurately, a potential series) of layers related to each other through some quality present in all of them. In other words, it is nothing other than a genus, with the "layers" in question then being species of that genus.

In the case of the tiers prior to 1-A, the "layers" in question are defined by the qualities of dimensionality and cardinality, with Low 1-A being the aggregate of all such structures into a proper class. Thus, the "framework" in question consists of the genus of quantity. As such, 1-A is aptly described as occupying a higher genus than anything below it.

Yet, there may also be similar hierarchies in 1-A itself, the levels of which have qualitative transcendences amongst each other as well. Thus, though a qualitatively greater domain surpasses the genus of quantity, still it is embedded within a broader genus of its own. And although the difference between any two of these levels is essential, still there is a broad, generic quiddity that applies uniformly to all its levels, which are then specifications of it in accordance with their degree of reality. To put it more precisely: The levels differ in species, but share a common genus.

So, for example: for three 1-A layers, A > B > C, each of them is nothing but "Generic Attribute + Specific Atrribute A," "Generic Attribute + Specific Attribute B" and "Generic Attribute + Specific Attribute C." A High 1-A being is something that surpasses not only the specific attributes corresponding to the lower layers, but also the generic attribute defining the whole series of layers, and any potential other layers that can possibly spring from it. It is exactly how 1-A itself transcends the genus that defines all possible dimensional levels (Quantity). - Source

You might say, we need statements that the High 1-A assumed void or unity encompasses "all" possible extensions of R>F. But look at how Ultima says "a 1-A itself transcends the genus that defines all possible dimensional levels" even tho a statement like that is not necessary at all to get 1-A. You can get a void to 1-A simply via it lacking physical composition yet being bigger then physical reality insofar as encompassing it within itself.

So no, that's just you interpreting the definitions in a vaguely and unnecessarily strict way.

The reason why some failed Tier 0 characters are 1A or high 1A is because they have a direct statement that says they "transcend" all differentiations, not that assuming you do.

Mind you, "transcending all differentiations" is more of a tier 0 statement, not a 1-A or High 1-A statement. This thread is about a High 1-A question, not tier 0.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Ultima meant that as in the context was not enough, because "were all was one and one was all" can very well denote towards a point [a dimensional singularity] as well. [In a space where only a point exists and nothing else, then that kind of statement can be used here]. Ultima didn't meant it as statements indicating unity are not 1-A at all.

true

We treat a 1-A void as it is because it not only encompasses physical reality, but also lacks the differentiation between dimensional levels.

ok

Moving that to a step higher, a "Void" that lacks the composition that makes Non 1-A and 1-A reality simultaneously while encompassing both of them can only be High 1-A.
From Ultima:

Tbh you should just ask ultima before you start using this, because he only gave this void stuff to 1A not higher

weired you need still need a statement that says the void is beyond r>f and lacks r>f encompassing all r>f structures because this distinctions part you just assuming it without feats.

You might say, we need statements that the High 1-A assumed void or unity encompasses "all" possible extensions of R>F. But look at how Ultima says "a 1-A itself transcends the genus that defines all possible dimensional levels" even tho a statement like that is not necessary at all to get 1-A. You can get a void to 1-A simply via it lacking physical composition yet being bigger then physical reality insofar as encompassing it within itself.

true

So no, that's just you interpreting the definitions in a vaguely and unnecessarily strict way.

Just saying how it is , Eternity is oneness is not said to lack distinctions , so it does not matter how it is said it will not change anything , even if it encompasses some dualities it will not matter.

Mind you, "transcending all differentiations" is more of a tier 0 statement, not a 1-A or High 1-A statement. This thread is about a High 1-A question, not tier 0.

read what i said again

The reason why some failed Tier 0 characters are 1A or high 1A is because they have a direct statement that says they "transcend" all differentiations, not that assuming you do.

so if a failed tier 0 has anti feats with a statement of transcending all differentiations , they would transcerd differentiation between points in a space and with a 1A cosmology they would transcerd differentiations between 1A and non 1A

Tier 0 characters in the new tiering system

I plan on revising Twin Peaks myself later down the line, so, don't. Ok, Ultima, I have a question about monadhood. If a character has the feature of a monad but there are certain factors that prevent him from qualifying as 0, what tier should he be? Low1-A or not because it has all the features.

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[Astral_Trinity439]

Just saying how it is , Eternity is oneness is not said to lack distinctions , so it does not matter how it is said it will not change anything , even if it encompasses some dualities it will not matter.

Oneness by definition is something that lacks distinctions between the thing it's encompassing.

Tbh you should just ask ultima before you start using this, because he only gave this void stuff to 1A not higher

I'll do that after Ultima answers the question I asked previously. Seems he's busy so, eh.

so if a failed tier 0 has anti feats with a statement of transcending all differentiations , they would transcerd differentiation between points in a space and with a 1A cosmology they would transcerd differentiations between 1A and non 1A

Tier 0 characters in the new tiering system

I plan on revising Twin Peaks myself later down the line, so, don't. Ok, Ultima, I have a question about monadhood. If a character has the feature of a monad but there are certain factors that prevent him from qualifying as 0, what tier should he be? Low1-A or not because it has all the features.

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Missed the "have", thought you said "they must have" instead.
However, that's where you're simply answering your own question yourself regarding what I said prior to that. A tier 0 with anti-feats that transcends differentiation in a 1-A cosmology is High 1-A essentially because it would encompass both 1-A and Non 1-A.
This post from Ultima makes it quite clear, you simply need to transcend the quality that defines the difference between each layer of R>F, which you can do so by encompassing both at the same time, the same way a 1-A encompasses multiple levels of dimensionality at the same time.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Oneness by definition is something that lacks distinctions between the thing it's encompassing.

we don't here if it is not said to, ask Ultima that too.

ultima already answered that , the verse has to then tells us what it means by that.

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I'll do that after Ultima answers the question I asked previously. Seems he's busy so, eh.

too busy to the point he forgets stuff that he says he will do at a certain time.

Missed the "have", thought you said "they must have" instead.
However, that's where you're simply answering your own question yourself regarding what I said prior to that. A tier 0 with anti-feats that transcends differentiation in a 1-A cosmology is High 1-A essentially because it would encompass both 1-A and Non 1-A.
This post from Ultima makes it quite clear, you simply need to transcend the quality that defines the difference between each layer of R>F, which you can do so by encompassing both at the same time, the same way a 1-A encompasses multiple levels of dimensionality at the same time.

ok , yess if it is said to lack lacks distinctions

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

we don't here if it is not said to, ask Ultima that too.

ultima already answered that , the verse has to then tells us what it means by that.

Ultima meant that specific case didn't have context to suggest some sort of metaphysical oneness, even, from what I understand.
He explained it in-depth here:

There's a lot of ways to cash out "simplicity." Using the analogue of space, for instance: A 0-dimensional point is simple, insofar as it's the most basic possible figure that can't be further subdivided into anything else. An aspatial entity is also simple, but for the completely different reason that it's absent from space entirely.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/tensu...rt-1-tier-0-slime-is-real.170584/post-6741365
Transposing that into the metaphysical level leaves you with a similar dynamic in there. You can be qualitatively simple, in the sense that you're some quality/essence/substance that's totally basic and can't be broken down into anything more fundamental, and you can be "simple" in the sense you are no quality or essence or substance at all, but instead transcendent over those things. The "oneness" in the latter case is really something totally negative in import; it signifies less a convergence into some metaphysical singleton and moreso a removal of any qualities whatsoever. Less "All-in-One" and moreso "Totally and utterly unqualified," and so the former alone isn't sufficient to infer the latter.

So no, as long as it's proven to not be a oneness as in a 0-dimensional point, it's fine to assume that it's a metaphysical one. These are the types of "Oneness" this wiki scales. And the OP makes it clear that it's not some 0-dimenisonal point, insofar as it encompasses both 1-A and Non 1-A within itself.

too busy to the point he forgets stuff that he says he will do at a certain time.

true enough.

ok , yess if it is said to lack lacks distinctions

Once again, a oneness that is at least not some singular 0-dimensional point, achieves that by default.
Unless you can give me an example of a "Oneness" that is not a 0-Dimenisonal point and is yet not at least 1-A [profiles or examples that have not been updated since the standards have changed won't count, obviously].

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Ultima meant that specific case didn't have context to suggest some sort of metaphysical oneness, even, from what I understand.
He explained it in-depth here:

So no, as long as it's proven to not be a oneness as in a 0-dimensional point, it's fine to assume that it's a metaphysical one. These are the types of "Oneness" this wiki scales. And the OP makes it clear that it's not some 0-dimenisonal point, insofar as it encompasses both 1-A and Non 1-A within itself.

true enough.

This is what I can say from seeing that Ultima comment.

There is this oneness that is being a single metaphysical entity, so All-in-One, so being some quality/essence/substance.

The oneness that matters It’s more about lacking quality or essence or substance at all, but instead transcendent over those things. (Totally and utterly unqualified)

Once again, a oneness that is at least not some singular 0-dimensional point, achieves that by default.
Unless you can give me an example of a "Oneness" that is not a 0-Dimenisonal point and is yet not at least 1-A [profiles or examples that have not been updated since the standards have changed won't count, obviously].

No the oneness in this thread is more about being All in one in a sence Eternity is everything

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

There is this oneness that is being a single metaphysical entity, so All-in-One, so being some quality/essence/substance.

This is for 1-A/High 1-A Oneness

The oneness that matters It’s more about lacking quality or essence or substance at all, but instead transcendent over those things. (Totally and utterly unqualified)

This one is for tier 0 form of oneness

No the oneness in this thread is more about being All in one in a sence Eternity is everything

Which is again, the 1-A/High 1-A form of metaphysical oneness.
Metaphysical oneness is something that unites or encompasses two or more qualities that oppose each other, or exist at different levels[of existence or of dimensionality].

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

This is for 1-A/High 1-A Oneness

no that oneness scales no were depends on the cosmology

This one is for tier 0 form of oneness

yeah , it is the oneness that would be 1A or high 1A with antifeats for tier 0

Which is again, the 1-A/High 1-A form of metaphysical oneness.
Metaphysical oneness is something that unites or encompasses two or more qualities that oppose each other, or exist at different levels[of existence or of dimensionality].

that will no longer be duality
https://vsbattles.com/threads/castlevania-thing.173511/post-6807015
It is the oneness that does not lack, transcend distinctions so it can't be 1A or high 1A. Like I said, all depends on the cosmology. I already showed comments where Ultima says oneness of tier 0 with antifeats would be 1A or high 1A.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

yeah , it is the oneness that would be 1A or high 1A with antifeats for tier 0

Anti-feats, or lack of sufficient feats to support a full on tier 0 as well.

no that oneness scales no were depends on the cosmology

For the bolded part, indeed, and that's why I said it's High 1-A here because from the OP and his posts, it seems the "Cosmology" it encompasses includes 1-A and Non 1-A things.

that will no longer be duality
https://vsbattles.com/threads/castlevania-thing.173511/post-6807015

When did I talk about life and death duality? I'm talking about 1-A and Non 1-A, reality and non-reality/un-reality/fiction. The name itself is self-explanatory.

It is the oneness that does not lack, transcend distinctions so it can't be 1A or high 1A. Like I said, all depends on the cosmology. I already showed comments where Ultima says oneness of tier 0 with antifeats would be 1A or high 1A.

It does depend on cosmology in case of High 1-A, and that's where the OP comes in, who clarified that "Eternity" here encompasses both 1-A and non 1-A things that exist in the cosmology/verse.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Anti-feats, or lack of sufficient feats to support a full on tier 0 as well.

antifeats for tier 0

For the bolded part, indeed, and that's why I said it's High 1-A here because from the OP and his posts, it seems the "Cosmology" it encompasses includes 1-A and Non 1-A things.

the oneness in the thread is all about everything is converged into a single being, not oneness in sense of lacking lack, transcending distinctions for tier 0.

When did I talk about life and death duality?

nope didnt mean that , am i was just saying anything that is not opposite in sence of being logical negation of eachother are not duality

I'm talking about 1-A and Non 1-A, reality and non-reality/un-reality/fiction. The name itself is self-explanatory.

ok

It does depend on cosmology in case of High 1-A, and that's where the OP comes in, who clarified that "Eternity" here encompasses both 1-A and non 1-A things that exist in the cosmology/verse.

in a way that does not matter

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

antifeats for tier 0

are not the only way, yes.

the oneness in the thread is all about everything is converged into a single being, not oneness in sense of lacking lack, transcending distinctions for tier 0.

I never said this thread in particular proposes the tier 0 type of oneness, tho.
The thread I talked about, on the other, proposed a tier 0, not a High 1-A or 1-A, so again, your argument doesn't apply here.
The main point is that metaphysical oneness is different from dimensional oneness and scales higher, and can scale to High 1-A depending on cosmology.

nope didnt mean that , am i was just saying anything that is not opposite in sence of being logical negation of eachother are not duality

Reality is the logical negation of non-reality, insofar as existence[something] is the negation of non-existence[nothing]. Of course, I'm not counting absolute nothingness[or illogical nothingness] for obvious reasons.

in a way that does not matter

not really.