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Void Shiki vs Lancer (Fate/Stay Night.)
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bro it is a rule that we have to go by current profiles
and going by current profiles void shiki just wins
oh nvm lol she isnt 1-A anymore
and going by current profiles void shiki just wins
oh nvm lol she isnt 1-A anymore
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Check the profile.
(Antvasima said I could apply the changes.)
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Well, Lancer is probally more skilled than her so he can probally dodge her attacks for a little.
The problems comes from the fact Shiki one-shots him with EoDP, so like if they clash blades, she gonna cut Gae Bolg in two, and if she hits him even once, he's dead;
So I probally vote her?
Karabach-barabach
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Imagine being downgraded and still winning
Either way I believe Shiki wins, so I'm voting for her
Either way I believe Shiki wins, so I'm voting for her
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I choose shiki again
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Void Shiki? I think it's a very unfair comparison
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a lot of people don't know void shiki is not 1-A anymore
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Cuz she is 0 i think
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Chu Chulainn, referred to as Lancer, is no more than an average servant
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Unless Tdjwo won't try to do anything, no
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It may not be right to expect this from anyone else, everyone's way of thinking may be different, and nasuverse is a vast universe open to different interpretations.
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So?
That means nothing
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What's the point of being compared to Void Shiki when even Servant Shiki can overcome him? That's what I was mean
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I mean, her profile puts Void Shiki and Servant Shiki as same ballpark of power, so...
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I like you
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That's what's absurd
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Ryōgi in FGO isn’t even a “servant”, it’s the same ryougi from KNK whose soul traveled to the singularity, and inhabited the body of Ryougi of that singularity. Void Shiki is the personality of the body. Why would she be nerfed by using herself as a vessel? Which is btw no different from normal. Void Shiki likens herself to hardware, and Ryōgi being the software she requires to even function.
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Any character summoned through the FGO's summoning system is called a servant. And Saber Shiki is not in KnK, you are talking about Shiki from the Assassin class and she is also called as a servant, even though his soul visits this singularity. And the Void, which is the body's personality, does not weaken itself.
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??? ...What's up with him?
He sounded so fake and unimportant...
??? I'm not a Heroic Spirit.
I can't kill anyone just by looking at them.
??? That one over there is a Master, right? If I help you, that would really make me look like a Servant.
??? I'm merely an outsider who was summoned here. I don't intend on concerning myself with others.
Why would a servant:
1. Say they aren’t a heroic spirit ( All servants are heroic spirits, btw.)
2. Say “this would make me look like a servant”, if she already was one?
Regardless, users of the independent manifestation ability aren’t servants, literally none of the other users of the ability are servants, why would this be different? Servants are summoned by someone, whether that be through the ritual or the counterforce. Users of the independent manifestation ability summon themselves
Also, void shiki very much does appear in KNK. One of the instances being in the epilouge.
We know that the Shiki from KNK had inhabited inside the Shiki from the singularity.
How does Shiki, cause Shiki to weaken herself?
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Just because the character does not see himself as a heroic spirit or servant does not mean that he is not a heroic spirit or servant. "Servants are spirits transformed by the Mages Guild into special Familiars of the highest rank, called Ghost Shirts, who are subordinate to the Master. In most systems they are typically Heroic Spirits, but depending on various circumstances they can sometimes be Divine Spirits, Ghosts, Wraiths and living humans". The one you mentioned may or may not be an example of this, nothing changes because it is included in a class of services. It's basically in the summoning system. And the Void Shiki seen in the KnK epilogue is not the same as the Saber Shiki seen in FGO, simply Saber is a class name and can be summoned through the summoning system. Void Shiki is outside of that. Also, Void Shiki is not in any of the singularities
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You aren’t addressing the argument. Ryougi directly says that she is not a heroic spirit (which is supported by nasu saying it is the very same Ryougi from KNK), nothing supports it being she merely doesn’t see herself as one.
Also not sure of the source of the paragraph you sent, but this exists:
A Servant is merely an “emanation” or pseudo-copy of a heroic spirit’s main body, summoned by ritual.
All servants are heroic spirits, therefore if you aren’t a heroic spirit, you aren’t a servant. It doesn’t matter what they were before becoming a servant.
I don’t understand this point
ORT is a “Foreigner”. (I’m not talking about its grand foreigner state,but its original self.)
Is ORT a servant now?
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If the Assassin is the one you refer to as Ryougi, he is not a heroic spirit anyway, I am talking about the saber.
The source of what I'm talking about is Type Moon Wiki: https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Servant
And I think you are distorting what I said, ORT and Shiki are not the same, ORT can literally hack the summoning system, and status itself as a Grand Foreigner, and ORT is an Ultimate One. And Type Moon is the only entity classified as a non-servant on the Wiki. Also ORT,
Fate/Grand Order: Cosmos in the Lostbelt - Nahui Mictlan: Golden Sea of Trees Travelogue - As mentioned in Boss Fight, the default Saint Graph designation is Foreigner, but can switch to any of the other class designations at will.
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They are the same existence,noted by the profile.
Also no, im talking about "Void" Shiki.
dont use the type moon wiki as a source, use materials or direct scans from the original work.
they're known for making things up at times
the point is that there are a lot of non servants that get assigned "classes", for whatever reason.
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This is the same thing I said at the beginning. Even if they don't fall under the Servant profile, Divine Spirit, Ghosts, Wraiths, living humans or Archetypes, any of these can be assigned as a class. What you are talking about is an example of that. If you don't trust the wiki you can check the references at the bottom, if you see a distorted statement I think you can voice it. And I still don't understand what you mean, are you treating Void Shiki and Assassin Shiki or Saber Shiki and Void Shiki as the same entity, even though in the profile it says "Saber Shiki is just a "Dream" or Illusion of the real Void Shiki and will exist as long as Void Shiki chooses to exist or disappear"? And Saber Shiki and Void Shiki are certainly not the same, nor should they be.
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Ok, sure. What does this have to do with shiki being nerfed again?
Yea, no. Thats not how it works. The "dreaming" in question is sending your soul out of your body into a parallel world. It isnt a literal "dream projection."
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Parallel world? I'm curious to know where you came to such a conclusion. The only thing you can clearly see here is that Void and Saber are not the same thing. And Shiki is not being weakened again. I can answer if you elaborate instead of being vague. The profile clearly says that the Saber can exist as long as the Void Shiki chooses to exist, this contradicts what you said
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Musashi I can't say for sure whether you're dreaming or not... 61Musashi But I have heard stories about people's spirits leaving their bodies while they dream. 65Musashi Some puppeteer with glasses once told me that while it was extremely rare to travel to other worlds while dreaming, it does happen occasionally...
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I...see...Something like that is going on with Shiki...
nope. nasu says its the same shiki from KNK
Yea, thats not how this works. Her original world/timeline already burned up, but her soul is safe since it is in another world. If she "wakes up",sending her soul back to her original world,since its burned up, she just doesnt exist anymore
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It's more likely that the Saber Shiki I'm talking about is not a dream in the parallel world of the Void Shiki, but a different entity that exists because the Saber Shiki already appeared in Ritsuka's dream. And the situation of normal people and the Saber may be different because there is a difference in class and in existence, and this way of thinking cannot be correct. And for the Saber to exist, the Void doesn't need to send it to another world, because the Saber can obviously appear in dreams or in the material realm at will, and it can use the root. And we can't take what Nasu says as a first-hand source of truth, because we've seen situations where what he says contradicts what happened in the game and in the series. And can you give me the sources that Nasu said that this is the same Shiki from KnK? I think it's not based on the Void Shiki.
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Musashi and Ritsuka literally say otherwise in the scan I sent above.
Yeah, we literally see otherwise:
Manaka could get to sleep under a clear purpose.There was a reason.In order to have a dream.Suddenly, it had just struck her."I should just try to do it like an ordinary human."Her consciousness separates from her body all at once, beyond the slumbering sea, surpassing the light which shines at the end of the world.-And then, she woke up. While her transparent eyes shine so sweetly in the darkness.Beyond the horizon of dreams and reality.She was in a different world, from the world where her original self was. In a different body, from the body that must've been her original self.In a «Labyrinth» squirming with Phantasmal beasts, Chimeras, and several lethal magical traps.
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This is all nice and all...but wasn't there a thread just straight up saying we shouldn't use WOG anymore?? So like "Nasu said" isn't really something you or anyone else can fall back on now...
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for scaling, not for actual lore information. Violatas told me in PM.
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I take it that the Shiki mentioned here are Assassin and Saber (since Void and Saber are not one and the same) Nasu has clearly stated that he wants to proceed consistently with FGO, adhering to the KnK verse. In this context we have to assume that it is not the Void Shiki that is mentioned, otherwise Nasu would have contradicted KnK and FGO. To be consistent for FGO, Void Shiki cannot be summoned based on a class, and to be consistent for KnK, Void Shiki cannot and should not be in the game as a character. This would be no different than bringing Root into the game as a character
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I don’t get your points here
Non servant characters just get assigned classes based on what fits them the most in FGO, pretty sure they’re called “Saint Graph Designations”
Even characters that don’t possess any saint graph at all like luminary Arcueid, and Arcueid herself have “classes” (I’m not talking about the mooncancer from FGO)
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