Samus Aran (Fusion) vs The Shocker (Insomniac Games) [0-0-0]

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

This is Varia Suit Samus being used here, speed is equalized and the fight takes place in an unpopulated version of Insomniac Games' New York City.

Samus :

Shocker :

Incon :

 

[Armorchompy]

Dunno how AP stacks up but Samus has/is going to have a massive P&A edge, heat stuff with plasma beam and power bombs (latter of which is also just a good way to land guaranteed hits), ice missiles, she's probably a good bit more lasting via forcefields + stamina, idk what shocker does here

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Dunno how AP stacks up but Samus has/is going to have a massive P&A edge, heat stuff with plasma beam and power bombs (latter of which is also just a good way to land guaranteed hits), ice missiles, she's probably a good bit more lasting via forcefields + stamina, idk what shocker does here

Does Samus have the Wave Beam in this key? Without it she's gonna he struggling to deal with Shocker's forcefield. Hell, his armor on its own is durable enough for the 8-A+ Spidey to hurt his hand by punching him in the face with it barely doing anything to Shocker himself.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bump.

 

[Armorchompy]

Does Samus have the Wave Beam in this key? Without it she's gonna he struggling to deal with Shocker's forcefield. Hell, his armor on its own is durable enough for the 8-A+ Spidey to hurt his hand by punching him in the face with it barely doing anything to Shocker himself.

No, the Wave Beam is the last one you get in Fusion. But I mean can't she just keep shooting him?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

No, the Wave Beam is the last one you get in Fusion. But I mean can't she just keep shooting him?

He can shoot back you know, he's not just sitting in a bubble until she gives up. He does have openings she could take advantage of but they're very brief unless she figures out his forcefield's weakness.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bump.

 

[Armorchompy]

I think it's better to wait for us to revise Samus' P&A tbh, she has a few things that might help her here

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I think it's better to wait for us to revise Samus' P&A tbh, she has a few things that might help her here

I've been waiting.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bump.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I think it's better to wait for us to revise Samus' P&A tbh, she has a few things that might help her here

Alright then, this can continue now, right?

 

[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

Shocker seems to have a major LS advantage. Beyond that, I think the difference in each character's P&A kit is the most glaring.

I think Samus takes this pretty handily via Plasma Beam (Which she has according to her Varia Suit (Fusion) key on her profile) and her Resistance to Electro-Magnetism. There's also Speed Amps via the Speed Booster, which she also has access too in this key. Pretty sure Shocker gets Blitzed here if not melted into a fine microwaved pulp.

Seems like a huge stomp to me, but put me up for Samus anyways. I see her winning more times than Shocker for what it's worth.

 

[Armorchompy]

The Speed Booster is pretty predictable BTW, she needs to run in basically a straight line for a while to get it going so it's not something she can just bust out to blitz him. For the rest, yea

 

[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

Eh, Fusion's version of Speedboost is at least 3 seconds of running into activating Shinespark. It's pretty quick compared to Super Metroid afaik, but I guess it doesn't matter all that much. Point is it's quicker to activate than before if we wanna go strictly by Fusion's gameplay.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Shocker is a pretty skilled combatant, has a forcefield and is stronger than her without her rage amp so he has those going for him. He's one of the few people who were consistently shown being able to outbox Spider-Man's Spider-Sense in a 1v1, albeit he didn't beat him.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bump.

 

[Peppersalt43]

Bumping for interest

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

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[XSOULOFCINDERX]

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[XSOULOFCINDERX]

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[XSOULOFCINDERX]

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[XSOULOFCINDERX]

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[Kellex]

This seems like a stomp for Samus tbh. Not only does Samus have more Powers and Abilities as others said, but she's also far more experienced as she's already fought and won against multiple enemies that can also create nigh-impenetrable forcefields and shockwaves (Dark Samus and some Dark Aether inhabitants like the DarklIngs and the Quadraxis come to mind) mainly thanks to her scan visor.

Her scan visor can easily pick up an opponent's body structure, weak points, behavioral tendencies, resistances to different weapons, and it can also provide combat strategies to deal with enemies. The moment Samus scans Shocker and finds out his weaknesses, Samus WILL exploit it and shoot the moment he drops his forcefield.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

This seems like a stomp for Samus tbh. Not only does Samus have more Powers and Abilities as others said, but she's also far more experienced as she's already fought and won against multiple enemies that can also create nigh-impenetrable forcefields and shockwaves (Dark Samus and some Dark Aether inhabitants like the DarklIngs and the Quadraxis come to mind) mainly thanks to her scan visor.

Her scan visor can easily pick up an opponent's body structure, weak points, behavioral tendencies, resistances to different weapons, and it can also provide combat strategies to deal with enemies. The moment Samus scans Shocker and finds out his weaknesses, Samus WILL exploit it and shoot the moment he drops his forcefield.

But that's also ignoring the fact that Shocker starts off noticeably more powerful than her and has the skill advantage since he downscales from Spider-Man and Kraven in skill.

 

[Kellex]

But that's also ignoring the fact that Shocker starts off noticeably more powerful than her

Sure I can't argue with that, but strength won't matter if the weaknesses can be exploited easily. Since he leaves himself open when charging an attack, what's stopping Samus from shooting back with her Plasma Beam and Ice Missiles (which can freeze opponents completely btw) and dodging his attacks continuously with her superior acrobatics just like Spider-Man?

has the skill advantage since he downscales from Spider-Man and Kraven in skill.

Both Samus and Shocker are considered Genius in their profiles, but Samus has far more evidence to show for her combat skills and mind of a strategist so, I personally do not agree tbh.

 

[Armorchompy]

But that's also ignoring the fact that Shocker starts off noticeably more powerful than her and has the skill advantage since he downscales from Spider-Man and Kraven in skill.

I honestly would have to see the arguments for this Spider-Man outskilling Samus to begin with, let alone Shocker.

 

[Chariot190]

Tbh im pretty sure Samus way outskills.

This is Insomniac, not 616. Theyre skilled but they ain't omega skill gods or anything. Pretty standard skill slop tbh.

 

[Lonkitt]

This is Insomniac, not 616. Theyre skilled but they ain't omega skill gods or anything. Pretty standard skill slop tbh.

I wouldn't say standard per say. While holding back, Spider-Man was able to outskill and defeat Taskmaster who possesses a "photo-reflexive memory" that allows him to observe, assess and then instantly replicate his target's combat maneuvers as well as develop his own countermeasures against them through anticipating their movements. Keep in mind, Peter beat Taskmaster after he had already fully studied and analyzed Spider-Man's moves. Not at all "standard skill slop". Then there's the fact that in the post-game DLC, Spider-Man was on even terms with Silver Sable, who he considers to be even greater than Taskmaster just based on the kind of accolades he gives her. Its also worth noting that in order to train Miles to become a more efficient Spider-Man, Peter created holo-drones for him to defeat that are proficient in the use of martial arts, melee weaponry, and firearms, and analyze hostile combat tactics in battle

Keep in mind, I wouldn't say Shocker is on par with Spider-Man's skill level (the profiles make it quite clear that Peter > Herman), but I wanted to address how Insomniac skill-scaling isn't just your basic "he beat a few decently skilled mercenaries" sorta thing

 

[Lonkitt]

TANGENT ASIDE

I do think Samus takes this. Her abilities, defences, and hax abilities are just a bit too much for Shocker to overcome here. Any problems that Herman can pose here can get identified pretty quickly via scanning. She's got much better precision and much more overwhelming ranged projectiles on top of that. Her speed amps could outright just let her blitz him here. I also just think Samus has got some far less predictable abilities for Shocker to deal with

I can't see Shocker overcoming the worst Samus has to offer. I don't think he would last long enough to see the worst she has to offer, for that matter. For a guy who has to go against Spider-Man consistently, Shocker does pretty well, don't get me wrong. But he hasn't dealt with someone like Samus who's pretty much got more abilities than any opponent he's ever faced combined, not to mention someone who is making full use of everything in her arsenal

Best Nintendo Mascot Samus stomps IMO

 

[TauanVictor]

Isn't that a skillstomp?

 

[Lonkitt]

Isn't that a skillstomp?

What do you mean? I'm not sure who you're saying skillstomps who

 

[TauanVictor]

What do you mean? I'm not sure who you're saying skillstomps who

I'm talking about the fight lol

 

[Lonkitt]

I'm talking about the fight lol

I'm aware, what else would I be thinking you were talking about? But who are you saying skillstomps who?

 

[Arkansalter2]

That's a LOT of hax on Samus's side.
Going with Samus here because she has too much hax and shocker doesn't resist crap that Samus throws at him.

 

[Lonkitt]

Yeah, I would outright just call this fight a stomp. Can't see Shocker's defences or evasive abilities getting past anything Samus throws out

 

[TauanVictor]

I'm aware, what else would I be thinking you were talking about? But who are you saying skillstomps who?

Typing error.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Maybe I should have had Spidey fight her instead. I didn't initially because I thought his arsenal and skill put together would be too much so I wanted to test the waters with Shocker first since he's pretty high up in the Insomniac fighters.