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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

JnSteHar002 said:
I see your points and pretty much agree w/them.

Though, I'd still count the lightning feat b/w Hakari and Kashimo given the notes left from Gege. At least to me, it shows he put deliberate thought into that scene other than it just looks cool and/or adds to the fight.

I doubt this is the biggest of controversies (or if it is one), I remember some comparisons of JJK's scaling compared to other verses. Sometimes it can feel like an unfair double standard or JJK is held to a higher one. Any thoughts?
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What notes
 
How weak Sukuna actually is in each fight? I've been wanting to do this for a few weeks now and this might help us figure out a better scaling for post Gojo fight Sukuna.

Gray: Neutral, injuries from Gojo fight.
Green: Healing, getting his output and RCT back
Red: Debuffs

Vs Kashimo
After Kashimo, nothing really happened with his regen, output or anything.

Vs Yuji and Higuruma
Vs Yuta and Yuji
Vs Maki
Vs Miguel's gang
Vs Yuji
Vs Jujutsu High
Vs Itadori and Todo
Vs Itadori
Conclusion
During the arc, everyone seems to be comparable to everyone, but in regards to scaling to Sukuna:
  • Kashimo, Higuruma, Yuji and Yuta fought the healthiest Sukuna.
  • The weakest Sukuna is from the current fight.
  • Yuji's punches don't seem to have any effect when only one is hit, multiple punches need to be hit in order to decrease the output.
 
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Sir_Marvulous said:
What notes
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In the volume that ch. came out in, there were some notes of Gege explaining Kashimo's lightning and about him asking an expert to get it depicted/explained right
ReaperAndBlues said:
I also feel like JJK is double standarded when it comes to stuff because of popularity. I faced this excat same thing with Dragon Ball. Some verses can get away with shit while others not so much, JJK is the latter case.

There are also other feats like Toji dodging Megumi's stab too, which was calc'd at hypersonic, but doesn't fit because Maki was dodging VS Naoya with ANPR while he was stated to be mach 3.

The thing about Hakari's feat is that somehow he was MHS while Naobito was only transonic, which seemed hella weird considering Naobito was the second fastest behind Gojo. The EMS feat 100% is jank as hell because somehow Sukuna, who is in my opinion MHS, while weakened casted WCS faster than light.
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Honestly, I'm not sure if our wiki's overall standards on this particular issue might need to be discussed. At the very least, I try to look at this as it being a higher standard, almost like it's a compliment; JJK would have a much more accurate and reasonable depiction than like 95% of other verses. Still, it's more important that things should be fair

I have some complaints/concerns of Naobito being the fastest but you probably don't wanna hear me rant about that... again.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
How weak Sukuna actually is in each fight? I've been wanting to do this for a few weeks now and this might help us figure out a better scaling for post Gojo fight Sukuna.

Gray: Neutral, injuries from Gojo fight.
Green: Healing, getting his output and RCT back
Red: Debuffs

Vs Kashimo
After Kashimo, nothing really happened with his regen, output or anything.

Vs Yuji and Higuruma
Vs Yuta and Yuji
Vs Maki
Vs Miguel's gang
Vs Yuji
Vs Jujutsu High
Vs Itadori and Todo
Vs Itadori
Conclusion
  • During the arc, everyone seems to be comparable to everyone, but in regards to scaling to Sukuna:
  • Kashimo, Higuruma, Yuji and Yuta fought the healthiest Sukuna.
  • The weakest Sukuna is from the current fight.
  • Yuji's punches don't seem to have any effect when only one is hit, multiple punches need to be hit in order to decrease the output.
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Nice, tho one thing that should be noted is that the injuries from the Gojo fight alone are significant enough to where Yuta and Yuji would have gotten annihilated without them
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
There are also other feats like Toji dodging Megumi's stab too, which was calc'd at hypersonic, but doesn't fit because Maki was dodging VS Naoya with ANPR while he was stated to be mach 3.
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The Toji calc was unusable for many reasons, people gotta stop propping up rejected/unevaluated Hypersonic to MHS calcs of feats other than Kashimo's stuff to prove consistency
 
Arkenis said:
Agna hasn't looked at it in detail and neither have other cgm. It's also likely to be rejected on other grounds.
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Hopefully someone looks at it soon; I'm not a calc member but it seemed to have some promise
Fastestthingalive50 said:
Did Ui Ui teleport Yuta from Lake Gosho to Shinjuku, or did he run?
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I don't think we ever got any confirmation on either end and I doubt we'll get one at this point; it's really up to audience interpretation on which one is more likely
 
JnSteHar002 said:
Hopefully someone looks at it soon; I'm not a calc member but it seemed to have some promise
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Fastestthingalive50 said:
What other grounds, if I may ask?
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Considering Agna said this I doubt it.

Just because you have the right units, doesn't mean that the calculation's valid. Deriving energy in any way for this sort of feat is nonsensical, but this one is especially so. You didn't even multiply by the volume affected. And as DT said, getting durability for withstanding a black hole doesn't fit within our tiering system, as the only durability is based on different parts of the body being accelerated at different rates, which is a nightmare to calculate of internal durability that doesn't really work with our scale.
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Fastestthingalive50 said:
Did Ui Ui teleport Yuta from Lake Gosho to Shinjuku, or did he run?
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No one knows. Though I'd honestly say it's possible he just straight up ran there. The Kenjaku fight would've ended around the time of the end of the Kashimo fight or the middle of the Higuruma fight and in that timeframe it's possible Yuta could've run in. The main reason is mostly because Todo, who's obviously way slower, showed up to the fight way after all of that happened which could be because he had to run there and it'd be weird if Ui Ui grabbed Yuta but not him. Though, it is possible they did teleport but Todo stayed on the sidelines incase Malevolent Shrine came back as a backup plan so who knows.
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
No one knows. Though I'd honestly say it's possible he just straight up ran there. The Kenjaku fight would've ended around the time of the end of the Kashimo fight or the middle of the Higuruma fight and in that timeframe it's possible Yuta could've run in. The main reason is mostly because Todo, who's obviously way slower, showed up to the fight way after all of that happened which could be because he had to run there and it'd be weird if Ui Ui grabbed Yuta but not him. Though, it is possible they did teleport but Todo stayed on the sidelines incase Malevolent Shrine came back as a backup plan so who knows.
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That would be a supersonic level feat, right?
 
Fastestthingalive50 said:
That would be a supersonic level feat, right?
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Depends on the timeframe. Lake Gosho according to google is 522.9 km away from Shinjuku via walking. If we use 5 min as a highball, that's 1743 m/s aka hypersonic and then somewhere around 30 min would be 290.5 m/s aka subsonic+, so like I said depends on what the assumed timeframe is
 
JnSteHar002 said:
If it helps, @PowerToScale updated the calc after that note was made and @Agnaa then said the method is valid but hasn't found the time to properly evaluate everything else in the calc (the assumptions, numbers etc.)
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That doesn't address what he said. Agna just says the method is fine. We should get other members though.
 
Fastestthingalive50 said:
That would be a supersonic level feat, right?
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AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Depends on the timeframe. Lake Gosho according to google is 522.9 km away from Shinjuku via walking. If we use 5 min as a highball, that's 1743 m/s aka hypersonic and then somewhere around 30 min would be 290.5 m/s aka subsonic+, so like I said depends on what the assumed timeframe is
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I think there was a calc that put it at the hypersonic-ish range but can't remember where it was. It also depends on the time and exact distance. There's the 5 mins to 30 mins like you said @AbaddonTheDisappointment but also did Yuta go along a standard road/path that say Google Maps would recommend or could he sense the fight and went straight through any woods, jump across buildings etc.
 
I doubt they'd waste time having Yuta run hundreds of km. Todo's swapping range is probably just very large due to the bv increase.
 
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