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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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Honestly, Megumi has actually probably been less of a headache than Yuta and Yuji for Gojo. Which is mainly because by the time Megumi became a problem child, Gojo was out of commission and then he killed the higher ups that were a big part of Yuta and Yuji being problem children.
Kinda funny he's the one that ends up doing the most damage through Sukuna to the world
Kinda funny he's the one that ends up doing the most damage through Sukuna to the world
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This is something I find really odd. Most people consider "Womb Profusion" to just be Kenjaku's domain. But the thing is, its made of cursed spirits and functions the same as Maximum Uzumaki seemly. Wouldn't that mean its actually Geto's domain? Since Kenjaku takes over a body, he gains access to their memories, CT, and Energy. That would include their DE as the case with Yuta in Gojo's body. So, should someone add to Geto's profile his DE is Womb Profusion?
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On a side note: He's also seemingly gaining access to their soul too. But suppresses them or makes them dormant. Though maybe it's more like taking control of the soul too? Hence why "Body = Soul"
It's why gojo when looking at the soul of Kenjaku couldn't see whether it wasn't Geto. That was Geto's soul.
Another reasoning for this is the fact that both of them can use the innate domain of the body they have taken control of. Like with Yuta using Unlimited Void.
And innate domain IS your mindscape.
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That just means Geto has an innate domain, which is true for everyone, he just never knew how to expand it.
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I have a question. So, if Jogo's AP is Small City via the Meteor, shouldn't this scale to his Durability as well? I know energy based attacks can have their own magnitude, but in the context of JJK, isn't CE the universal power system within the verse, and so, Jogo's meteor is something manifested out of his own CE, so it should logically scale to his Durability as well via the CE?
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Ask yourself this. Does Yuta's durability scale to his maximum power energy blast?
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Yes? Shouldn't it be something that Yuta's own CE manifested and so it scales to him?
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Probably lol didnt Ryu palm that shit?
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Yuta refrained from fully charging it
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True but we've seen Yuta tank Ryu's granite blast and we know that Ryu's granite blast > Yuta's fully charged beam
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I don't think I've seen or at least remember any definitive answer on JJK's cursed energy being a UES. I remember some debate over but no conclusive answer.
Also, if cursed energy is a UES, the description of the Disaster curses has each of them having an area they excel; Hanami's the most durable, Dagon's endurance, Jogo's attack power and Mahito being hax/potential, I think. W/that info, Jogo could lack the durability of his meteor attack b/c it's an energy based attack and he's a glass cannon/squishy wizard type. It kinda reminds me of HXH. An Emitter or Conjurer can have lackluster enhancement/physical abilities when compared to an Enhancer b/c that's not what they are nor would they have even maximized their capabilities in that area.
Hope that made sense!
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Not all Granite Blasts have the same output though
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Having a ues doesn't mean everything scales to each other.
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Wasn't it stated that all of Ishigori's attacks have the same output?
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It’s stated that the output of using the CT and using regular CE beams are the same, that’s why he’s not affected by CT burnout.
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huh? sukuna never lost in the heian era (as far as i know)
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When was that said?
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didn't you said that sukuna lost in the heian era?
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Reread.
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oh damn,how did i managed to mis-read that.
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Nah we see Geto's soul in airport also Gege in Fanbook stated Geto was gone.
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Well, probably not Geto's actual soul but the soul information that would be needed
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Body also carries the information. I mean look at Toji resurrection. Ogami didn't called his soul but still his HR powers are replicated with just body information.
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Read what we were talking about.Undefeated in the Heian era, opting to became a cursed object and reincarnate when Kenjaku had set up the culling games
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Airport is just gojo's innate domain. It's why everybody else is their past self.
We see this when Takaba even becomes small or big etc, when he's inside his mindscape aka innate domain. He even gets to confront his past self face to face, the kid version of takaba even.
Another instance is Maki and Mai talking to eachother multiple times when Mai is basically dead (well her soul remains) in their innate domain.
It's kinda common for stuff like that to happen. Some people can just get in there. Like Sukuna did in Jogo's.
So nothing much.
Also, Gege didn't say he was gone, quite the opposite. He said his will still remains infact. Unless you think for some reason a body muscle reflex has the capacity to understand what gojo said about how he's allowing somebody to control his body? This is only possible if the self still exists. That's not mentioning the fact that the mindscape still exists which is only possible if the will remains
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Hmm. Just noticed something as somebody on twit pointed out.
When Yuta was revealed in the body of Gojo, the flashback scene showing how he did so is explained as we all know.
The common understanding that we had is that they do physical brain transplant right?
This is perhaps not true.
In chapter 261, after stitching up Gojo's wounds, (she said that's what she did. That may imply that she didn't remove his brain if she was suturing his wounds) Shoko proceeded to remove her gloves and mask after doing so.
If you were to do surgery, like a physical transfer like many might have thought, then you wouldn't remove these at all (for Yuta)
It's also why Shoko says "Once you transfer yourself" (at least in Viz it says so), or in tcbscans "Once you swap".
All in all there is no physical transfer here like removing brains as far as we've seen. Nothing of that sort was implied. The opposite is implied - Yuta through Kenny CT did this.
The only problem with this perspective tho - Is that we don't see Gojo's body completely let alone his head. The scene was also cut off when Yuta started using Kenjaku's CT. So it remains unknown.
Furthermore when Kenjaku revealed his head, we saw his brain. That seems to imply some sort of physical transfer of some kind. Who knows. Shrug.
Though it remains clear that she didn't seem to do anything to Yuta's own body, like helping out in the physical transfer of his brain.
When Yuta was revealed in the body of Gojo, the flashback scene showing how he did so is explained as we all know.
The common understanding that we had is that they do physical brain transplant right?
This is perhaps not true.
In chapter 261, after stitching up Gojo's wounds, (she said that's what she did. That may imply that she didn't remove his brain if she was suturing his wounds) Shoko proceeded to remove her gloves and mask after doing so.
If you were to do surgery, like a physical transfer like many might have thought, then you wouldn't remove these at all (for Yuta)
It's also why Shoko says "Once you transfer yourself" (at least in Viz it says so), or in tcbscans "Once you swap".
All in all there is no physical transfer here like removing brains as far as we've seen. Nothing of that sort was implied. The opposite is implied - Yuta through Kenny CT did this.
The only problem with this perspective tho - Is that we don't see Gojo's body completely let alone his head. The scene was also cut off when Yuta started using Kenjaku's CT. So it remains unknown.
Furthermore when Kenjaku revealed his head, we saw his brain. That seems to imply some sort of physical transfer of some kind. Who knows. Shrug.
Though it remains clear that she didn't seem to do anything to Yuta's own body, like helping out in the physical transfer of his brain.
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HR is just HR. It is not even a mindscape bro.
And my point still stands that the ego/will still remains in the body. As that's what the fanbook said.
Q:In the Shibuya Incident, the fake Geto’s arm was moving, but how much of Geto’s will remains?
A: Not much. It’s like a decapitated dragonfly moving
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I don't remember saying anything about ego. I was talking about souls. The body has information, so having a soul or not shouldn't matter. Gojo didn't damage his soul with his CT burnout; he damaged his physical brain. So the body should also have the information. There is no need for the soul. Sorcerers' bodies and minds are slightly different from humans, so they can already store the CT in their physical bodies. The soul might have a copy of that. Yuta feeds someone else's body parts and can still copy the CT. It's not necessary or stated to be necessary to feed the soul of someone else.
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No its not. Haibara mentioned how he butted into Nanami's death which we saw happen and it's impossible that Nanami could've told anyone about seeing Haibara because we literally saw his last words.
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Just Mechamaru's is the only one missing I thought.
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Mai and broom girl are missing based on the verse page
plus i think we need a team page to have that kind of thread get added
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i think hakari gets killed off screen so uraume can save sukuna
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Uh you do know that this is a topic about soul right?
What are you even talking about? I'm telling you that you can't equate HR to CT or even innate domain for that matter. Innate domain isn't merely physical body information. Quite different.
Fun fact: THE soul does have CT. Hence why Sukuna's CT can manifest in a vessel's body despite he himself being just a soul.
Or even how Yuta can use Gojo's CT despite his brain not being there.
No matter how you slice it or dice it - Body = Soul in JJK. It's why Yaga is capable of getting soul information from physical information and vice versa. Or how Yaga can revive Toji who is dead and has passed on just from his physical information alone.
One of Yuji's traits and relation to Sukuna, especially his ability to have his CT also comes from being the son of Sukuna's twin's soul. For him to gain traits related to Sukuna could only be possible through if Jin carried the same body information that he had in his previous life.
Moving on.
That's kinda irrelevant really. Innate domain is where your soul resides in. Precisely this is where Sukuna is as a soul and is also where Yuji went after he died.
Megumi is also in that space too as a soul.
Rest of the stuff you said doesn't really seem to address what I'm saying so I'll ignore that.
By the way. Keep this in the mind since you seem so keen on trying to ignore it - Gojo looked at Kenny and saw Geto's soul. Had the same CE, etc. Then Gojo tries to rouse geto awake, this surprises Kenjaku and makes him talk about how the host's memories can even pop in his head when their brain is replaced - or how this situation just happened.
Sukuna, who sees the contours of souls, really thought he was Gojo (Chapter 261), just like what happened with Gojo seeing Kenjaku in Shibuya, and only later realized that it was Yuta behind it because of the stitches on his forehead.
Yes it is. We've seen multiple examples already. Pretending otherwise is just being disingenuous. Mai and Maki case remember? Where do you think that shore comes from
I guarantee you the afterlife or the like does not have that ability whatsoever. But we do know innate domains do. Just like how Sukuna's appearance changed even due to residing in a vessel's body when he's inside the innate domain. Blud even has a kimono and all that bruh Then we have the Jogo example. In that innate domain of his Sukuna suddenly pops in.
We see this happen AGAIN. With Nobara particularly where her mindscape drifts through different stuff and memories and conjuring up shi about the others being there.
Then we have the Kashimo situation. He was also in the same predicament - Dude went from young to old to young. Takaba also went through a similar stuff even. Do you even realise as to how innate domains function as a mindscape dude? Because this is quite clearly a mindscape that gojo was in.
As for your counter point - Haibara being there doesn't contradict anything. We know that souls can hop in your innate domain lol. The scenes I mentioned above quite qualify as such even. Mf maki does this shit even the second time after she gains enlightenment
. Where she is talking to Mai. Infact you should be asking yourself why Gojo's in his younger self in the airport scene. Quite precisely from his HI arc self. In that arc, after awakening, gojo was honing his DE at that time. Which would be one of the reasons as to why he looked like that. Infact his innate mind reflecting itself for him to look like that makes more sense if you look at the raws.
Gojo used 俺 (ore/I) in the beginning of ch236 like he did in his student days. After growing up, he would stop using that and use 僕 (boku/I)
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