I huh-Whhhhhat? He literally can be seen having taken more damage than anything else in the battle
Goku's literally so damaged and so worn out that his body get hurt from attacks from people leagues upon leagues bellow him like Yajirobe, come on now
, as well as having his armor damaged (when it was unfazed by nearly anything before it).
as well as Goku's clothes, your point?
Asserting I need to prove that he took damage is absurd
it really is isn't it? good thing i didn't ask for that, good strawman tho
Furthermore, we’ve already seen and agreed to the fact small gaps in PLs can lead to stomps in prior threads.
also stablished prior, PL's are not linear, so whatever difference there is in them also isn't, else you have Planet Level Kid Goku with 10 PL and Farmer with Shotgun with 7 PL, doesn't work
Vegeta maintained a pretty decent advantage against KKx2 Goku, (forcing Goku to admit he’d lose if he didn’t go for the KKx3, and KKx2 Goku was only 2K lower), utterly stomped Cui, (who he was merely over by 6K), thrashed Dodoria (who he was only 2K over at a PL of 24K), and Piccolo (at 3.5K) was considered outright inferior to Nappa (at 4K).
treat PL's as linear like that and the entire scaling of the series get's blown up, we never treated PL's as linear, we will not begin to do so now
But if you wanted to just ignore the mountain of evidence, the SEG literally states that the KKx4 KHH “outnumbered/overwhelmed” Vegeta’s power (same link as the Oozaru statement provided earlier).
the fact that you somehow felt the need to prove to me that he was overwhelmed is proof to me that you didn't bothered to read what i wrote:
Prove the "incredible damage" part, the attack was merely 2x stronger than Kaioken 2x, which he dominated, so the gap would be even smaller, it did overwhelmed him, but that doesn't say much for his damage
And Vegeta's Galic Gun raises his power just like the kamehameha does, aka their PLs wouldn't be so different, at most unquantifiable, also this doesn't answer for the damage argument i made, that doesn't answer nor prove that Vegeta was in a state nearly as bad as Goku was after using KK4x
Fair, but it’s certainly beneath his 18,000 value, which is what would be multiplied, and thus still necessitates Vegeta’s increase in speed to keep up with a hypothetical KKx5 Goku.
as i said, no, Goku could be faster than him and the statement still works exactly the same, he doesn't need to be equal or faster than KK5x, he just needs to be fast enough to quickly cover the distance Goku could go before he could make the Genki Dama, thus making the usage of KK5x useless in that scenario no matter what
I’m not trying to make a proportional amp for scaling purposes. We all know it doesn’t work that way. I’m specifically pointing out how the ten times multiplier is explicitly noted by the SEG. Trying to paint it as something that it’s not doesn’t change that fact.
if you agree that it isn't proportional, then you can't use proportional logic to say that all stats are raised by the same amount when one raises PL, as shown by the statement abou the Oozaru in DBS Broly, that clearly isn't the case
1) It’d allow him to run away to a degree to charge the Genki Dama. Which is Goku’s goal. Because last time he tried to fly away, Vegeta was able to easily catch him with his speed.
he runs away.....now what? he has to stop moving to make the Genki Dama, and the moment stops using the Kaioken Vegeta will easily cover the ground to catch him since he is still fast enough to do that, case and point, Goku managed to get enough distance with Solar Flare, and yet it still made no difference, again, Speed advantage wouldn't be useful at all there
2) That’s literal Headcanon to sidestep the actual context and intent behind the statement. He’s not saying, “Man, I am faster, but he’ll catch up anyway!” He says “He’s incredibly fast! Even if I had the Kaioken x5, it wouldn’t be enough to get away!”
no, he says:
"even times 5 wouldn't make a difference" nothing about him not being able to run away from him with times 5, only that times 5 wouldn't make a difference, which as i pointed out, is true regardless of it being faster than Vegeta or not, heck the whole context is that he can't run away far enough for him to concentrate on making a Genki Dama without Vegeta catching up, nothing is ever said about him being unable to run away from Vegeta even a little at all
Again, trying to change/reinterpret the statement physically doesn’t work
considering that this is what you just did.......ironic
and makes no sense. Your argument as a retcon is superior to this and majorly more convincing because of this. In your words, “Prove,” that Goku meant all of this rather than what is objectively seen and said by him.
considering that nothing is objectively said there, with your interpretation being as valid as mine in that scene alone, however mine is backed up by statements in canon.......yeah i don't think i need to, specially when it isn't said what you said it was said
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