Ben 10 CRT:"Absolute Upgrade"

[Ghengiroo115]

unless you have anything that would imply such a big difference vs our officially stated multipliers......guess we don't have much to talk anymore, it your word vs the non contradicted official statements

Regardless of my own opinion I wasn’t saying that Humungousaur objectively can’t downscale from a High 5-A Ultimate Humungousaur, just that the Humungousaur army scene isn’t a good argument for it since they only beat him by pinning him down with Lifting Strength.

His LS seems to be increasing with just as much rate as much his AP does, he can single handedly throw/overpower Humungousaur off the field. Given his AP ridiculously high, he should have not been defeated right there like that regardless of circumstances. With secondary sources does supporting as well that ua shouldn't be, like, trillions times that of ua and consistently giving a multiplier. I think asserting otherwise is kinda unsupported.

Does the site even allow upgrading LS with multipliers? I know they don’t for something like Dragon Ball, but idk if that’s specifically because of how the verse works or if it’s a general rule.

 

[BlastX]

Dragon Ball LS multiplier scaling isn't allowed because Dragon Ball LS is a mess.

 

[Reiner04]

Does the site even allow upgrading LS with multipliers? I know they don’t for something like Dragon Ball, but idk if that’s specifically because of how the verse works or if it’s a general rule.

Dragonball is not really best of example tbh. Given the reason above. LS and AP are subject to increase of strength.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Dragon Ball LS multiplier scaling isn't allowed because Dragon Ball LS is a mess.

OK thanks for the clarification there.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Technically then doesn’t that scene contradict a 10x multiplier but not contradict an ambiguous AP boost, since he gets pinned down by like five Humungousaurs? 5-C to High 5-A, despite having a much bigger AP boost, doesn’t have any evidence of his LS scaling linearly to his AP so the scene works there.

Also we’re currently scaling post-OS characters thousands of times higher than OS characters in terms of LS thanks to the Class P stuff, so do we also downscale OS characters from that too or what?

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Btw I’m probably not gonna respond any more for now. Our difference in thoughts mainly comes down to how we like to scale things, so it’s probably practically impossible for us to come to an agreement. I’m just gonna wait until someone adds something new to discuss.

 

[Reiner04]

Technically then doesn’t that scene contradict a 10x multiplier, since he gets pinned down by like five Humungousaurs. 5-C to High 5-A, despite having a much bigger AP boost, doesn’t have any evidence of his LS scaling linearly to his AP so the scene works there.

Force = m*a changes everything.

 

[Greenshifter]

God dammit Blast, I was supposed to make this thread

 

[Reiner04]

God dammit Blast, I was supposed to make this thread

I was too, he blitz us and thus gonna pay for it!

 

[BlastX]

God dammit Blast, I was supposed to make this thread

You snooze you lose, it's not even that hard to make.

 

[BlastX]

I was too, he blitz us and thus gonna pay for it!

Bro I literally telegraphed this in the thread.

 

[Greenshifter]

For the record, to actually find people’s AP values you need to figure out a lot of stuff and then do some recursive calculations.

 

[BlastX]

For the record, to actually find people’s AP values you need to figure out a lot of stuff and then do some recursive calculations.

I mean, all of this was already done for me, it's just basic downscaling.

 

[Greenshifter]

You snooze you lose, it's not even that hard to make.

I promised to someone I’d make the thread more than a year ago…

 

[BlastX]

More than a year? Ok this is on you then.

 

[Greenshifter]

I mean, all of this was already done for me, it's just basic downscaling.

You need to figure out Kevin’s striking strenght and durability based on the amount of mid tiers and high tiers there are, account for Kevin also absorbing ultimate aliens and also every type of ability likely scaling to 1/10th of their original power combined.

Which first requires us to sort out the Vilgax scaling btw.

 

[Greenshifter]

More than a year? Ok this is on you then.

Technically I’ve been planning to do this for like 3 years now

But yeah, it’s not that simple

 

[Reiner04]

You need to figure out Kevin’s striking strenght and durability based on the amount of mid tiers and high tiers there are, account for Kevin also absorbing ultimate aliens and also every type of ability likely scaling to 1/10th of their original power combined.

Which first requires us to sort out the Vilgax scaling btw.

Oh yeah, since he's basically 1/10 of everyone active. He gonna be more than just 1/10 of waybig.

 

[Greenshifter]

Oh yeah, since he's basically 1/10 of everyone active. He gonna be more than just 1/10 of waybig.

Yeah and that upgrades ult. Humungousaur and Ult. Echo Echo, which upgrades everyone else, which upgrades Ult Kevin, which upg-

You see where this is going? Recursive maths.

You also need the Way Big argument with the 100 times power gap or else you’re gonna get brain damage if you attempt this.

Which quite frankly means I’m the only one capable of making this thread

 

[BlastX]

TBF I didn't plan for Ultimate Humungosaur to scale, I thought the fact he, well, lost his fight should have been enough but apparently it's not, Ultimate Echo Echo is relatively self contained too.

 

[BlastX]

Thank the Celestialsappiens that Kevin 12 is so self contained and anti-featless that he doesn't have problems.

 

[Greenshifter]

TBF I didn't plan for Ultimate Humungosaur to scale, I thought the fact he, well, lost his fight should have been enough but apparently it's not, Ultimate Echo Echo is relatively self contained too.

Lol at Ult. Humung supposedly not scaling

 

[Reiner04]

Let's see;

UA humung = X = UA kevin

1/10 of waybig = 20.35591 ronnatons

rest of casts, let's way, each of 16 + 5 more Andromeda one active aliens = X/10 AP

X/10 + (X/100)*21 + 20.35591 = X

X = 29.501304 ronnatons.

 

[Reiner04]

Lol at Ult. Humung supposedly not scaling

He does.

 

[BlastX]

I don't get how that is so hard to believe, Ben fought Ultimate Kevin as spidermonkey and base Echo Echo and nobody would say they scale even if they damaged him.

 

[Reiner04]

I don't get how that is so hard to believe, Ben fought Ultimate Kevin as spidermonkey and base Echo Echo and nobody would say they scale even if they damaged him.

Because scaling can be ignored if leading to circular scaling or just pis. Which is highly unlikely when being acknowledged.

 

[Reiner04]

Let's see;

UA humung = X = UA kevin

1/10 of waybig = 20.35591 ronnatons

rest of casts, let's way, each of 16 + 5 more Andromeda one active aliens = X/10 AP

X/10 + (X/100)*21 + 20.35591 = X

X = 29.501304 ronnatons.

Eitherway,

You also need the Way Big argument with the 100 times power gap or else you’re gonna get brain damage if you attempt this.

I got 100× multiplier for waybig gg.

If not exact 100 then atleast enough to say waybig more than just stomp these mofos meh

Let's see;

UA humung = X = UA kevin

1/10 of waybig = 20.35591 ronnatons

rest of casts, let's way, each of 16 + 5 more Andromeda one active aliens = X/10 AP

X/10 + (X/100)*21 + 20.35591 = X

X = 29.501304 ronnatons.

Snip

You can add this stuff in op for AP values.

 

[Greenshifter]

Let's see;

UA humung = X = UA kevin

1/10 of waybig = 20.35591 ronnatons

rest of casts, let's way, each of 16 + 5 more Andromeda one active aliens = X/10 AP

X/10 + (X/100)*21 + 20.35591 = X

X = 29.501304 ronnatons.

You’re forgetting a bunch of stuff, but sure

 

[Reiner04]

You’re forgetting a bunch of stuff, but sure

I know but we scaling active aliens for now and tbh, he absorbed more stuff later on iirc but 5 to 6 more won't be much considering 1/100th downfall. Eitherway KNEEL.

 

[Greenshifter]

I know but we scaling active aliens for now and tbh, he absorbed more stuff later on iirc but 5 to 6 more won't be much considering 1/100th downfall. Eitherway KNEEL.

Cope

 

[Reiner04]

Let's see;

UA humung = X = UA kevin

1/10 of waybig = 20.35591 ronnatons

rest of casts, let's way, each of 16 + 5 more Andromeda one active aliens = X/10 AP

X/10 + (X/100)*21 + 20.35591 = X

X = 29.501304 ronnatons.

Actually, after checking a bit number of Aliens whose powers he had. I updated the stuff:

Let's see;

UA humung = X = UA kevin

Waybig = 203.5591 ronnatons

1/10 of waybig = 20.35591 ronnatons

rest of casts, let's way, each of 29 + 7 of Agregor = X/10 AP

X/10 + (X/100)*36 + 20.35591 = X

X = 37.6961 ronnatons = UA kevin ≈ UA Humungousaur

Base Humungousaur = X/10 = 3.76961 ronnatons.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Well, that wouldn't be wrong within the lore, evolving over 1 million years doesn't mean you got stronger, like, look at dinosaurs and chickens

Isn't their Ultimate state, having evolved by fighting for 1 Million years? I know that the reason why their Ultimate states are stronger than their normal states is this evolution that occurs through fighting. Correct it if it's wrong.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

OP looks alright from a glance.

 

[BlastX]

Well one staff down, two more to go.

 

[Propellus]

I'm a bit lost here, knowing how much of a mess the powerscaling is for this kind of verse makes it pretty confusing as it makes it seem that everyone else can just simply throw hands with each other as it doesn't seem to split the scalings for others for some weird reason. Does Ultimate Humungasaur scale to Ultimate Echo Echo by any chance at some point in this series?

 

[Reiner04]

I'm a bit lost here, knowing how much of a mess the powerscaling is for this kind of verse makes it pretty confusing as it makes it seem that everyone else can just simply throw hands with each other as it doesn't seem to split the scalings for others for some weird reason. Does Ultimate Humungasaur scale to Ultimate Echo Echo by any chance at some point in this series?

Ult kevin acknowledges Ult Humungousaur as someone who can give him a good fight, contrary to Humungousaur.

Ben: Humungousaur
Kevin: Not enough Tennyson.
Ben: (UA transformation) How about now?
Kevin: (leaves all smerky attitudes and gets serious).

So by convo and fight, as we have established before statements, context takes precedence (we scale anoditesby statement despite them having blows with regulars), I think only UA Echo Echo and UA humung will be scaling directly, with rest just downscaling by 10 times.

 

[Propellus]

Oh alright then, then this CRT can do

 

[omegabronic]

Pretty sure this is simple enough with a verse with little ammount of supporters to be applued

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Hold on a second, I’ve just realised that all three multiplier ends for Ultimate Hugh (2x, 10x and 50x) don’t work in conjunction with Ultimate Kevin scaling for one reason or another. Gimme a moment and I’ll explain why.

 

[Reiner04]

Hold on a second, I’ve just realised that all three multiplier ends for Ultimate Hugh (2x, 10x and 50x) don’t work in conjunction with Ultimate Kevin scaling for one reason or another. Gimme a moment and I’ll explain why.

Take your time.