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Honkai Impact 3rd Discussion Thread (Reborn)

It's certainly a good start, I won't deny that. Solacis and Avengershows should be able to help since they're more knowledgeable than I, though do keep in mind Solacis is supposed to be retired.

I don't remember if someone took on the job of making the Durandal profile, so I've taken the liberty of getting that started here.
 
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It's certainly a good start, I won't deny that. Solacis and Avengershows should be able to help since they're more knowledgeable than I, though do keep in mind Solacis is supposed to be retired.

I don't remember if someone took on the job of making the Durandal profile, so I've taken the liberty of getting that started here.
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Good job!



I am doing a research on Google docs with a help of a friend, and we are placing all the scans and justifications there, so far this is the result. Most of the manga have been researched, I haven't touched the novels yet, and I am trying to do at least one chapter a day, if I continue at this pace I should finish in February (lol). But it will be worth it when I get around to re-remaking this verse.

I will leave this to do on Sirin's profile:

Finish her Second Eruption profile
BFR and Sealing —->>> BFR & Sealing.
Better Space-Time Manipulation justification (11D Stuff + the scan of Herrschers being able to manipulate higher dimensions there. Scale the time-fractures to her, specify that she can cut limbs).
Add support for Void Manipulation/Rewrite the Imaginary Space justification. (Math hax!?!?!?)
Add the range for the Gem of Serenity, Conquest, Desire, Reason, and Haste.
Put the Subjective Reality in Limited.
Remove stigmata stuff in the Gem of Serenity hax and rewrite based on Furudo’s suggestions.
Use scans from Divine Key/Other media to give more hax to the gems + justifications from weapons in game + scan that they are made from the cores (Partly done, need to finish the Gem of Desire/Get the scan of the Herrscher of Fire being able to burn down the whole of Australia).
Add Supernova heat to the Gem of Haste and in Sirin’s resistances as she survived it at 300%.
Add resistance to Abyss Flower/Gem of Serenity stuff to Sirin’s resistances.
Find actual Intelligence feats for her.
Remove her resistance to Powernull based on Taixuan.
Change the range of her weapon creation arms/Subspace Lances.
If possible take some screenshots of her attacks to add to her notable attacks/techniques, write about the gems, fenghuang down, and her powers.
Give her the standard Valkyries resistances (Fire,Ice,Electricity).
Maybe add limited EE for Fenghuang Down.
Add Sirin's creation feat of creating Kiana's Knight Moonbeam as a support for Gem of Serenity's creation.
Add Blessed in Sirin’s P&A as she has protection and some other stuff from the Will of Honkai.
Sirin was affected by Fenghuang Down in the first time, but not in the second, I wonder if this is enough to qualify for Reactive Evolution. Welt also noted that her power was growing extremely fast.
Add the scan of her withstanding Fu Hua's punch in the durability section.
Add corruption next to her power bestowal, and expand the justification.
Add teleportation.
Improve her Speed/Striking justification.
Add the scans and references for her stamina justification.
Use varies for the range of Honkai Energy, thousands of kilometers for standard Honkai Energy, and planetary for core cascade.
Add the range for more relevant stuff (Imaginary space, Space-time, Cosmic awareness, BFR)
Add Pocket Reality Manipulation for Fenghuang Down.

K-423 Key
Find actual Intelligence feats for her.
If possible take some screenshots of her attacks to add to her notable attacks/techniques, and her powers.
Apparently, sealing powers also counts for Sealing here on VSBW. Add it to her resistances and to Judah/Binding hax.
Add her voice from the Will of The Herrscher animation to the K-423 key quote (That might be difficult because the sound plays in the background while she speaks).
Improve her AP/Durability justification.
Fix the equipment section by removing the stuff she lost from SE, add the key of the void there... and do the same thing in the P&A.
Add the scan of Sirin breaking Judah's chains, as she couldn't damage it in the SE.
Add resistance to Star of Eden's stuff.

General: Range rework, I am thinking of putting the range in a tabber, showing both the AOE range and the reach of her abilities since they tend to overlap.
 
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So... while searching for the source of some scans that we already use on our pages, I discovered that the CN version of the Second Eruption manga had some notes that hadn't been translated into the English version. I will look at the rest of the other manga there to see if they also have notes.

I have already put all of Second Eruption's notes on my imgur and when I can I will ask for translations here, I know two people who speak Chinese and play Honkai here and I hope it won't be too difficult to get their translations.

And yes, we need them translated because 2 of these scans are already giving us Manipulation/Resistance to Physics and Law for the Herrschers, and information about Imaginary Space.

Edit Note: We also have to go after the typewriters/part 1 of the Art Book. I already have the part 2 of the artbook in english at my home, and there are videos of part 1. As the latter two already have translations, what will be most annoying and time-consuming is scrolling through the social networks of Honkai Impact 3rd to index and reference the typewriters.
 
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Good job!

Tbh, If he really is retired, I think that could be a good thing.

I am doing a research on Google docs with a help of a friend, and we are placing all the scans and justifications there, so far this is the result. Most of the manga have been researched, I haven't touched the novels yet, and I am trying to do at least one chapter a day, if I continue at this pace I should finish in February (lol). But it will be worth it when I get around to re-remaking this verse.

I will leave this to do on Sirin's profile:

Finish her Second Eruption profile
BFR and Sealing —->>> BFR & Sealing.
Better Space-Time Manipulation justification (11D Stuff + the scan of Herrschers being able to manipulate higher dimensions there. Scale the time-fractures to her).
Add support for Void Manipulation.
Add the range for the Gem of Serenity, Conquest, Desire, Reason, and Haste.
Put the Subjective Reality in Limited.
Remove stigmata stuff in the Gem of Serenity hax and rewrite based on Furudo’s suggestions.
Use scans from Divine Key/Other media to give more hax to the gems + justifications from weapons in game + scan that they are made from the cores (Partly done, need to finish the Gem of Desire).
Add Supernova heat to the Gem of Haste and in Sirin’s resistances as she survived it at 300%.
Add resistance to Abyss Flower/Gem of Serenity stuff to Sirin’s resistances.
Find actual Intelligence feats for her.
Remove her resistance to Powernull based on Taixuan.
Change the range of her weapon creation arms.
If possible take some screenshots of her attacks to add to her notable attacks/techniques, write about the gems, fenghuang down, and her powers.
Give her the standard Valkyries resistances (Fire,Ice,Electricity).
Maybe add limited EE for Fenghuang Down.
Add Sirin's creation feat of creating Kiana's Knight Moonbeam as a support for Gem of Serenity's creation.
Add Blessed in Sirin’s P&A as she has protection and some other stuff from the Will of Honkai.
Sirin was affected by Fenghuang Down in the first time, but not in the second, I wonder if this is enough to qualify for Reactive Evolution. Welt also noted that her power was growing extremely fast.
Add the scan of her withstanding Fu Hua's punch in the durability section.
Add corruption next to her power bestowal, and expand the justification.

K-423 Key
Find actual Intelligence feats for her.
If possible take some screenshots of her attacks to add to her notable attacks/techniques, and her powers.
Apparently, sealing powers also counts for Sealing here on VSBW. Add it to her resistances and to Judah/Binding hax.
Add her voice from the Will of The Herrscher animation to the K-423 key quote (That might be difficult because the sound plays in the background while she speaks)
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For intelligence feats for Sirin you'll probably need to do her intelligence feats before & after she ascends right? iirc the WoH imparts various forms of knowledge into her, even knowledge dating as far back as the previous era. I'm not the most experienced with feats for intellect but I am curious where it'd scale otherwise good job looking forward to seeing what else you'll do, if I can be of any help lmk I'm mainly good at identifying hax/abilities though I haven't had too much free time lately
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
For intelligence feats for Sirin you'll probably need to do her intelligence feats before & after she ascends right? iirc the WoH imparts various forms of knowledge into her, even knowledge dating as far back as the previous era. I'm not the most experienced with feats for intellect but I am curious where it'd scale otherwise good job looking forward to seeing what else you'll do, if I can be of any help lmk I'm mainly good at identifying hax/abilities though I haven't had too much free time lately
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That was good thinking, I would never take that info dump as a justification of intelligence, I think it works. And frankly, I am also bad at indexing feats of intelligence, but I doubt there's anyone else interested in making profiles apart from Solacis, who apparently left the verse.

I don't know if you have seen it, but I am kind of putting pre-moon and post-moon in a single key called Second Eruption, the difference in power after and before Sirin's ascension is high, but we see the second eruption mostly with Sirin in her post-moon status, that's where her feats come from and I feel that a key before the ascension would be too lacking for my taste.
 
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Also, I have noticed a certain consistency with Low-2C Honkai, assuming there aren't any catches like wrong translations, terminology or things coming from GGZ/HSR, stuff I don't know. Maybe we can upgrade some characters to that tier.

I will list the feats I know so far here:

During the Second Eruption, Sirin created an infinite space-time, as we know she created it, it was also called a "space-time barrier" from the perspective of someone who was sealed there.

Something that supports this is the fact that Su can create bubble universes with the 2nd Divine Key, which obviously uses the powers of the Herrscher of Void... so it uses the same power as Sirin, and we also know that these bubble universes are four-dimensional. Although it's creation feat using a Divine Key, Su might scale from it anyway as he noted that he uses his physicals to use the Divine Key.

At the end of the 2nd Divine Key manga, we also learn that Durandal now has a bubble universe inside her and can also use its powers.

We also have that Otto's feat, but I have to admit that I haven't looked at it in detail yet. That feat is also a bit ambiguous and could be lower or even higher than L2C.
 
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That was good thinking, I would never take that info dump as a justification of intelligence, I think it works. And frankly, I am also bad at indexing feats of intelligence, but I doubt there's anyone else interested in making profiles apart from Solacis, who apparently left the verse.

I don't know if you have seen it, but I am kind of putting pre-moon and post-moon in a single key called Second Eruption, the difference in power after and before Sirin's ascension is high, but we see the second eruption mostly with Sirin in her post-moon status, that's where her feats come from and I feel that a key before the ascension would be too lacking for my taste.
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Understandable, pre-moon serves as a baseline too
 
Shiroiyo said:
Also, I have noticed a certain consistency with Low-2C Honkai, assuming there aren't any catches like wrong translations, terminology or things coming from GGZ/HSR, stuff I don't know. Maybe we can upgrade some characters to that tier.

I will list the feats I know so far here:

During the Second Eruption, Sirin created an infinite space-time, as we know she created it, it was also called a "space-time barrier" from the perspective of someone who was sealed there.

Something that supports this is the fact that Su can create bubble universes with the 2nd Divine Key, which obviously uses the powers of the Herrscher of Void... so it uses the same power as Sirin, and we also know that these bubble universes are four-dimensional. Although it's creation feat using a Divine Key, Su might scale from it anyway as he noted that he uses his physicals to use the Divine Key.

At the end of the 2nd Divine Key manga, we also learn that Durandal now has a bubble universe inside her and can also use its powers.

We also have that Otto's feat, but I have to admit that I haven't looked at it in detail yet. That feat is also a bit ambiguous and could be lower or even higher than L2C.
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Yeah true, the Sirin feat is probably the one that needs the most attention. iirc the reason most the verse has been "revamped" to 4-A is due to a lot of the translations/actual meaning of "bubble world" or "bubble universe" actually just referring to a star system. That's about the gist of it, I don't know the specifics because I wasn't too involved in the CRT but you can ask Avengershows for more details they're the one who knows the most about the verse on the wiki (from my knowledge and in my opinion)

Edit: To clarify, the words "bubble world" and "bubble universe" can be interpreted differently depending on the context and it doesn't often mean an actual universe so much as a star system. Due to this I think the Sirin feat is definitely worth more attention since the infinite corridor is blatantly stated to "not have an end" and even Kevin (or the Kaslana Stigma whichever it is) refers to it as a "likened complex Riemannian manifold" which our universe is believed to be a psuedo-Riemannian manifold for reference. Though I'm not an expert when it comes to these things just did a small amount of digging online, I also recall that Sirin's void shield is excepted or ig "was" excepted as 1-C at one point. Not sure where people's opinion sit with that now but I'm just mentioning it for the sake of context
 
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New Year updates.

The research is going deep and I am at 18567 words, I have just finished chapter 17 this morning and found some very interesting things that I am not going to talk about now.

For now, I am withdrawing my support for tier 2 Honkai, as I was cross-referencing stuff with what I had... I realized something quite funny that I will leave for future CRTs, whether that's the inevitable thread to change the tier 2 standards on this wiki, or using something else I found.

Sirin's profile has also received a few updates, the to-do list is still long and was updated, but I wouldd say her profile is about halfway through, and yet it is a lot better than what we have at the moment, If this alone seems intimidating, I don't even want to see Finality's profile once I have to redo it.

I wish I could show you guys more, but I am saving some stuff for CRTs and I don't want people spreading it around or even rushing revisions. The plan is to first finish all the profiles with a good and consistent quality, I am planning to finish the profiles first, make profiles for the Sea of Quanta/Imaginary Tree since some characters scale one way or another to those places and I don't want to keep copying and pasting the same justifications in the profiles, I think it's much better to just link the pages and see what those realms are there. Then I am going to do some blogs, UES and Cosmology are the most important ones, I think I am also going to do a mini rework on the Honkai Energy page. After the verse foundations are done, I am going to make some CRTs.
 
Shiroiyo said:
New Year updates.

The research is going deep and I am at 18567 words, I have just finished chapter 17 this morning and found some very interesting things that I am not going to talk about now.

For now, I am withdrawing my support for tier 2 Honkai, as I was cross-referencing stuff with what I had... I realized something quite funny that I will leave for future CRTs, whether that's the inevitable thread to change the tier 2 standards on this wiki, or using something else I found.

Sirin's profile has also received a few updates, the to-do list is still long and was updated, but I wouldd say her profile is about halfway through, and yet it is a lot better than what we have at the moment, If this alone seems intimidating, I don't even want to see Finality's profile once I have to redo it.

I wish I could show you guys more, but I am saving some stuff for CRTs and I don't want people spreading it around or even rushing revisions. The plan is to first finish all the profiles with a good and consistent quality, I am planning to finish the profiles first, make profiles for the Sea of Quanta/Imaginary Tree since some characters scale one way or another to those places and I don't want to keep copying and pasting the same justifications in the profiles, I think it's much better to just link the pages and see what those realms are there. Then I am going to do some blogs, UES and Cosmology are the most important ones, I think I am also going to do a mini rework on the Honkai Energy page. After the verse foundations are done, I am going to make some CRTs.
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Got it, well I'm watching the thread now so I'll see where it ends up going from here ig 2024 is shaping up to be another Honkai revision year for the wiki lol
 
Rant

Our profiles are just plain bad, some have hardly any scans, just look at bronya's profile, the justifications are also not good and very lacking, you can say they are in Notable Attacks/Techniques, but couldn't you make an effort in P&A? that's where most people see things anyway. The categories are just as bad as well.

"Star of Eden with Yamabuki Armor, she could notably damage the Herrscher of the Void" Yeah bro, HoV broke the chains of Judah, tanked the Star of Eden at maximum output and made fun of the situation, but yeah, she was damaged. Talking about HoV, the resistance feat is there, no mentions of Star of Eden though. Resistance to physics should be on the Honkai energy page, Law hax is also missing from the justification, something that is on the HE page. The current page of Honkai energy is missing so many hax and has lacking justifications, just look at the corruption (you know, the most consistent thing in the verse, it has 1 scan) and that scan for some reason isn't in the NPI justifications either, The justification below was one I made some time ago (WIP), and it's miles ahead, in fact I am redoing the whole page, it's still at an absurd WIP so I won't share it here, but it still manages to be better than the current one.


Lack of the feats in the justifications, I don't see anywhere the fact that Star of Eden can nullify space-time manipulation (something pretty explicit, how do you miss that!?), nor it can affect higher dimensions (Mind blowing), The inconsistency in justifications, let's take a look at Kevin, his finality key says what he has, some stuff is somewhat explained (no scans, nor references) while others are just "with the Wind Authority" 0 explanations, his profile doesn't even have his bubble creation feat there (the one with Sakura and HoC), nor it has his telepathy from the Serpent. It also says that he has an aura and again the justification is missing things there, Welt explicitly can sense Kevin's aura and he defeated him using that same aura, Kevin's aura also affected Dark Serpent, this aura is resisted by some characters, but you don't see the resistance in any profile.

The whole verse suffers from these problems, be it justifications, scans, lack of abilities, etc... some are a little better than others, but still not good. The fact that some explicit things are missing from the pages is quite suspicious, if the reason is lazy scaling, poor research, poor knowledge of the standards, or just downplay have yet to be discovered, and ngl the verse is bordeline deletion worthy, you can use the same arguments that were used to give """Rework""" HI3 some time ago to delete the current pages, and I am low-key tempted to ask for it in profile deletion requests thread, If I have enough support here, I will go there, explain the reasons for the problems and request.

The more my research progresses, the more I dislike the way things are now, I could point out a lot more problems, but I'll soon be doing a CRT here if I do that. Talking about the research, it was a bit delayed, January was complicated for me, I was sick in bed for almost a week, I was busy with work and I procrastinated too. I have finished chapter 23, and I have researched the whole AE visual novel and a bit of the Durandal VN, the problem is that I'm getting into the long chapters and I'm considering watching them on 2X speed on Youtube. The research isn't lacking much, since almost all the relevant manga have already been researched, the only relevant things to research are the chapters of the story (half of them), the Durandal/7 Swords visual novel, and the Elysian Realm. I am going to de-prioritize Part 2, APHO and Captainverse for now.
 
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Rant

Our profiles are just plain bad, some have hardly any scans, just look at bronya's profile, the justifications are also not good and very lacking, you can say they are in Notable Attacks/Techniques, but couldn't you make an effort in P&A? that's where most people see things anyway. The categories are just as bad as well.

"Star of Eden with Yamabuki Armor, she could notably damage the Herrscher of the Void" Yeah bro, HoV broke the chains of Judah, tanked the Star of Eden at maximum output and made fun of the situation, but yeah, she was damaged. Talking about HoV, the resistance feat is there, no mentions of Star of Eden though. Resistance to physics should be on the Honkai energy page, Law hax is also missing from the justification, something that is on the HE page. The current page of Honkai energy is missing so many hax and has lacking justifications, just look at the corruption (you know, the most consistent thing in the verse, it has 1 scan) and that scan for some reason isn't in the NPI justifications either, The justification below was one I made some time ago (WIP), and it's miles ahead, in fact I am redoing the whole page, it's still at an absurd WIP so I won't share it here, but it still manages to be better than the current one.


Lack of the feats in the justifications, I don't see anywhere the fact that Star of Eden can nullify space-time manipulation (something pretty explicit, how do you miss that!?), nor it can affect higher dimensions (Mind blowing), The inconsistency in justifications, let's take a look at Kevin, his finality key says what he has, some stuff is somewhat explained (no scans, nor references) while others are just "with the Wind Authority" 0 explanations, his profile doesn't even have his bubble creation feat there (the one with Sakura and HoC), nor it has his telepathy from the Serpent. It also says that he has an aura and again the justification is missing things there, Welt explicitly can sense Kevin's aura and he defeated him using that same aura, Kevin's aura also affected Dark Serpent, this aura is resisted by some characters, but you don't see the resistance in any profile.

The whole verse suffers from these problems, be it justifications, scans, lack of abilities, etc... some are a little better than others, but still not good. The fact that some explicit things are missing from the pages is quite suspicious, if the reason is lazy scaling, poor research, poor knowledge of the standards, or just downplay have yet to be discovered, and ngl the verse is bordeline deletion worthy, you can use the same arguments that were used to give """Rework""" HI3 some time ago to delete the current pages, and I am low-key tempted to ask for it in profile deletion requests thread, If I have enough support here, I will go there, explain the reasons for the problems and request.

The more my research progresses, the more I dislike the way things are now, I could point out a lot more problems, but I'll soon be doing a CRT here if I do that. Talking about the research, it was a bit delayed, January was complicated for me, I was sick in bed for almost a week, I was busy with work and I procrastinated too. I have finished chapter 23, and I have researched the whole AE visual novel and a bit of the Durandal VN, the problem is that I'm getting into the long chapters and I'm considering watching them on 2X speed on Youtube. The research isn't lacking much, since almost all the relevant manga have already been researched, the only relevant things to research are the chapters of the story (half of them), the Durandal/7 Swords visual novel, and the Elysian Realm. I am going to de-prioritize Part 2, APHO and Captainverse for now.
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Yeah, for Solacis allegedly "reworking" or "revamping" the verse I'll admit I never thought it was much of an improvement, in some areas I even saw it as a downgrade💀regardless fair enough that you're considering all this. As I said before I will be watching and if needed can offer some assistance here & there so just give me a shout, looking forward to where this might go with you spearheading this now cuz jesus dude no malice/hate towards Solacis. I'm just saying my honest thoughts cuz I don't sugarcoat sh*t but I genuinely didn't agree with like 65-70% of his takes, half the time I questioned whether he even actually played & read the game but I don't really wanna start drama. My thoughts on Sola aside I will be watching 👍
 
I have finished chapters 24 and 25, I was going to start 25-EX and 26, but I realized that the first one was referencing Durandal's Visual Novel too much and I decided to postpone them until I finished reading the VN, this doesn't mean that I have been idle, I have started working on the standard part of Honkai Energy and I would like to know what you guys think of it (for now, I still have to rewrite the entire Herrscher and High-Level section, add more supporting evidence and missing things from the more recent research... you can also compare with the current Honkai energy page here), do you all think the gifs are polluting too much? any ideas, be it an addition/alteration or a rewrite? I would also like to know what image/gif I could use in the High-Level section... so far I can't think of anything, I have looked at the official wallpaper site, I also looked at the cinematics (Preferably something that represents the more "reality-warping" aspect of Honkai energy as opposed to standard corruption).

And to be honest I still have to add more things to the corruption justifications and I have to rewrite the Non-Pjysical Interaction as well, if anyone knows the source of this scan, I would be grateful.

Also, how do we treat the Mystery of Stigmata manga, apparently it's no longer canon/ was retconned.

Edit: Yeah... I made some research and I have to. I will have to remove the deconstruction altogether, part of the justification for necromancy, corruption (1 or 2 scans)... mindhax will either be removed altogether or it will become a limited one since most of the evidence was coming from that manga, this part "Stigmatas are created from Honkai antibodies,[74" as well.
 
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I have finished chapters 24 and 25, I was going to start 25-EX and 26, but I realized that the first one was referencing Durandal's Visual Novel too much and I decided to postpone them until I finished reading the VN, this doesn't mean that I have been idle, I have started working on the standard part of Honkai Energy and I would like to know what you guys think of it (for now, I still have to rewrite the entire Herrscher and High-Level section, add more supporting evidence and missing things from the more recent research... you can also compare with the current Honkai energy page here), do you all think the gifs are polluting too much? any ideas, be it an addition/alteration or a rewrite? I would also like to know what image/gif I could use in the High-Level section... so far I can't think of anything, I have looked at the official wallpaper site, I also looked at the cinematics (Preferably something that represents the more "reality-warping" aspect of Honkai energy as opposed to standard corruption).

And to be honest I still have to add more things to the corruption justifications and I have to rewrite the Non-Pjysical Interaction as well, if anyone knows the source of this scan, I would be grateful.

Also, how do we treat the Mystery of Stigmata manga, apparently it's no longer canon/ was retconned.

Edit: Yeah... I made some research and I have to. I will have to remove the deconstruction altogether, part of the justification for necromancy, corruption (1 or 2 scans)... mindhax will either be removed altogether or it will become a limited one since most of the evidence was coming from that manga, this part "Stigmatas are created from Honkai antibodies,[74" as well.
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Looks good so far, as for the scan. I don't know where it comes from exactly, but maybe somewhere in hoyolabs? No idea though, also what happened to Mystery of Stigmata manga that made it no longer cannon/retconned exactly?
 
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Looks good so far, as for the scan. I don't know where it comes from exactly, but maybe somewhere in hoyolabs? No idea though, also what happened to Mystery of Stigmata manga that made it no longer cannon/retconned exactly?
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Several contradictions with Chapter Xuanyuan/Chiyou iirc, both chapters retell an alternative version of the events of Mystery of Stigmata. If I am not mistaken, the manga was also removed from CN for cultural reasons, but it can still be seen on the official Korean website.

Apparently, the manga even predates the global version of the game, I asked about this a while ago and was told that I could use the manga even with these problems. I will have to think about it more, but if the manga came first I'd rather use it instead (Assuming it doesn't contradict the rest of the story because my memory of this manga isn't that good, I remember Joyce (not the clones) appearing there, which is quite weird since he died in the AE Visual Novel.) We also see Seele there even though she was supposed to be in the Sea of Quanta at the time.
 
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calc is fine but i dont think everyone caps at relativistic because of kevin speedblitzing senti and iirc thats like times 6 or 7 to his speed or?
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Nvm i didnt find anything about speedblitzing someone being 6-7x faster than him so its prolly my bad but if there is something about that do tell
 
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Several contradictions with Chapter Xuanyuan/Chiyou iirc, both chapters retell an alternative version of the events of Mystery of Stigmata. If I am not mistaken, the manga was also removed from CN for cultural reasons, but it can still be seen on the official Korean website.

Apparently, the manga even predates the global version of the game, I asked about this a while ago and was told that I could use the manga even with these problems. I will have to think about it more, but if the manga came first I'd rather use it instead (Assuming it doesn't contradict the rest of the story because my memory of this manga isn't that good, I remember Joyce (not the clones) appearing there, which is quite weird since he died in the AE Visual Novel.) We also see Seele there even though she was supposed to be in the Sea of Quanta at the time.
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I see, that's certainly quite something. If the manga predates the game but goes against majority of the things the game has already made clear then it is probably best not to use it as you said
 
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FTL should be changed to Relativistic because of the new calc.
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Idk about that, those are vastly inferior versions of Kiana & Fu Hua so to say FTL should be changed to relativistic due to that is iffy. We can change those keys to relativistic but I'm on the fence for making the whole verse relativistic because an extremely weakened Fu Hua who didn't even have Fen Huang down or her phoenix powers activated reacted to an equally weakened Sirin who was only in Kiana's Knight Moonbeam battlesuit at the time, who later characters can speed blitz with negative diff basically 🤷‍♂️
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
Idk about that, those are vastly inferior versions of Kiana & Fu Hua so to say FTL should be changed to relativistic due to that is iffy. We can change those keys to relativistic but I'm on the fence for making the whole verse relativistic because an extremely weakened Fu Hua who didn't even have Fen Huang down or her phoenix powers activated reacted to an equally weakened Sirin who was only in Kiana's Knight Moonbeam battlesuit at the time, who later characters can speed blitz with negative diff basically 🤷‍♂️
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You have kevin litteraly speedblitzing senti and they have hof kiana relative to him in speed and then keeps up with his speed in the final battle where he uses form that is superior to herrscher of finality...We even see hoo mei keep up with him and slightly outpaces him in final battle
 
Our high/god tier will be higher than what we have now.

I don't know if this counts as MFTL feat (bad memory of when I played that part), we can also scale Elysia's attack speed to the rest of her attacks via UES, which would scale to Mei/Finality, which would scale to some other people (That would just be reaction and attack speed though).

Low tiers speed is fine where it is.
 
Shiroiyo said:
Our high/god tier will be higher than what we have now.

I don't know if this counts as MFTL feat (bad memory of when I played that part), we can also scale Elysia's attack speed to the rest of her attacks via UES, which would scale to Mei/Finality, which would scale to some other people (That would just be reaction and attack speed though).

Low tiers speed is fine where it is.
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There is also bullet of finality kiana launched which traveled from the moon to the edge of the solar system in 12 minutes.
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
Idk about that, those are vastly inferior versions of Kiana & Fu Hua so to say FTL should be changed to relativistic due to that is iffy. We can change those keys to relativistic but I'm on the fence for making the whole verse relativistic because an extremely weakened Fu Hua who didn't even have Fen Huang down or her phoenix powers activated reacted to an equally weakened Sirin who was only in Kiana's Knight Moonbeam battlesuit at the time, who later characters can speed blitz with negative diff basically 🤷‍♂️
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You can't upscale speed like that unless you have some form of multipliers, not only that, but the calc is 17 percent SOL, not even close enough for any kind of upscale. And other than Elysia's star moving feat, they don't have anything beyond Relativistic.
 
Shiroiyo said:
Our high/god tier will be higher than what we have now.

I don't know if this counts as MFTL feat (bad memory of when I played that part), we can also scale Elysia's attack speed to the rest of her attacks via UES, which would scale to Mei/Finality, which would scale to some other people (That would just be reaction and attack speed though).

Low tiers speed is fine where it is.
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It's easily Massively FTL+, probably Billions x FTL or so. The main problems stems from whether or not this is only attack speed or does it scale to combat and reactions. Idk enough about our current UES standards for HI3 so idk.
 
Shiroiyo said:
Our high/god tier will be higher than what we have now.

I don't know if this counts as MFTL feat (bad memory of when I played that part), we can also scale Elysia's attack speed to the rest of her attacks via UES, which would scale to Mei/Finality, which would scale to some other people (That would just be reaction and attack speed though).

Low tiers speed is fine where it is.
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Well she did fly into the stars as her green light dissapeared for a moment before attacking so i guess if we calculate it we can make her mftl...and makes sense since most of the time they were fighting in what it looks like outer space
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
You can't upscale speed like that unless you have some form of multipliers, not only that, but the calc is 17 percent SOL, not even close enough for any kind of upscale. And other than Elysia's star moving feat, they don't have anything beyond Relativistic.
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I never implied how much faster they'd be, nor did I ever attempt to "upscale" the speed. I was simply stating the fact that relativistic isn't something the verse caps at particularly due to the specific scan in question, and as you've said there are other feats that can be scaled to higher for the top tiers of the verse (like the Elysia feat) that's all
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
I never implied how much faster they'd be, nor did I ever attempt to "upscale" the speed. I was simply stating the fact that relativistic isn't something the verse caps at particularly due to the specific scan in question, and as you've said there are other feats that can be scaled to higher for the top tiers of the verse (like the Elysia feat) that's all
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Elysia feat is kinda hard to calc idk...but vita one you sent is go to calculate imo
 
Woomica said:
Well she did fly into the stars as her green light dissapeared for a moment before attacking so i guess if we calculate it we can make her mftl...and makes sense since most of the time they were fighting in what it looks like outer space
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We don't know if those are actual stars lol
 
also we see something that looks like a nebula and also few moons around the entire space where they fight
 
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