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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

NishizumiShiho said:
I'm baffled,
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It's a long story, it reasonably should be but there was a ton of stonewalling and the debate lasted so long everyone just got tired of it. Most other powerscaling circles see it as a pretty cut and dry higher dimension but by our standards it's this wierd also 2A structure that has a ton of higher dimensional qualities but don't think about those its only 2A.

I'd DM Heros experts for the full story.
 
Vietthai96 said:
Almost all cosmology is default 3-A to Low 2-C cause there should be an universe in those fiction for thing to happen lol
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I guess... wwwwwww.
I do remember ask someone in r/PowerScaling and he answered with Low 1-C with Infinite Timelines, but again, I'm not sure.

Pretty sure he said nobody fully scale to it, so i don't know. Here, let me quote:
 
cosmology:

-Draconic x Deus base: it is made up of at least 19 universal level space-time + being multiversal/ 2C

-Draconic x Deus multiverse: it is made up of an infinite amount of timelines, each one being capable of dividing like the roots of a tree for each action and reaction of each event in DxD, they also use the theory of the butterfly, a flap of one butterfly's wings. can cause a natural disaster on the other side of the world, so each action creates a timeline. (2A)

The dimensional gap separates space-time from all the worlds/mythologies of DxD. If normal creatures enter without taking any countermeasures they will die when exposed to non-existence and their bodies will disappear in a short time. It is the border that separates Draconic Deus from the remains of other worlds, to reach another world or to enter Draconic Deus it is necessary to cross the Dimensional Gap. The Dimensional Gap is beyond reality, the concepts of distance and direction do not exist in it, time does not exist in the Dimensional Gap since time and space are irrelevant in it.

Additional Explanation: The Dimensional Gap can be a 5D or 6D place (under 1-C) and meets the conditions to be a higher dimension.

This is all under vs battle wiki standards and my opinion

About the separation of universes. (Section: universe)

It must be recognized that travel between universes is not feasible unless a portal or similar unusual mechanisms are used. This is because it should be impossible for two different universes to be connected by a path that only passes through regular three-dimensional space. The universes must be separated by something other than three-dimensional distance or physical barriers; Otherwise, they would both be considered part of one large universe for our tiering purposes.

The most typical example is the presence of a higher dimensional space that serves as a separator. In other words, two separate universes coexist in four-dimensional or even higher-dimensional space, occupying different positions along some additional dimensional axis. Therefore, to travel between such universes, movement must be through the higher dimensional space between them. To summarize, two realms are separated through a higher dimensional space if:

  1. A larger space encompasses all universes or space-times.
  2. This space is of a higher dimensional nature.
• Travel to other mythologies is by teleportation, through a door that is invoked and creates a connection with heaven, the train that leads to the underworld, passes through the dimensional gap, to reach other mythologies it can be through teleportation or passing through the dimensional gap.

• The dimensional gap spans all space-time De Draconic X Deus

• It is beyond reality.

• the concepts of distance and direction do not exist, time does not exist in the Dimensional Gap since time and space are irrelevant in it.

* direction = dimension, so transcends the concept of dimension and time

Conclusion: the dimensional gap transcends the concept of direction which is equal to transcending the concept of dimension and also transcends time by seeing it as irrelevant and being able to be beyond it by separating all the dimensions, then it would be 5D or 6D

All this is without counting ExE, FnF and it is also mentioned that they have conquered several different worlds,

The power level of the lower levels: varies between wall and mountain.

the power level of the middle levels: island, country, big country, continent, multi continent, lunar, small planet and planet.

the high levels: they are large planetarium (ajuka creates two moons)

star buster star blaster (fully mastered can destroy stars)

DxD god level: in this range they are all in 2C to be able to destroy the Draconic x Deus comsology.

enter shiva, trhiexa, great red, ophis.
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This is what he said
 
There is no evidences there are multiple timeline. Hmm, you can......assume there are 2 timelines due to ExE come from different dimension, but again it is if you default that different dimension = different universe. I don't even know where is the envidences of infinite timeline, most likely another fake scan or lie. Some scale 2-C iirc is they assume that different realm such as Hell, Demon World, Heaven, Nine Realm from different mythologies are timeline themselves, due to DxD mixing all kind of mythologies, the world is kinda a mess
 
Vietthai96 said:
There is no evidences there are multiple timeline. Hmm, you can......assume there are 2 timelines due to ExE come from different dimension, but again it is if you default that different dimension = different universe. I don't even know where is the envidences of infinite timeline, most likely another fake scan or lie. Some scale 2-C iirc is they assume that different realm such as Hell, Demon World, Heaven, Nine Realm from different mythologies are timeline themselves, due to DxD mixing all kind of mythologies, the world is kinda a mess
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I can see why they put DxD Hell to 2-C, DxD has a lot of mythology going on, not just Christianity
 
NishizumiShiho said:
This is what he said
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Look bullshit

The dimension DxD base is is called Draconic Deus not Draconic x Deus, also this mean Dragon God, refering to Great Red who guard the Dimensional Gap and is strongest being of Draconic Deus. Second, ExE said that Draconic Deus is Earth

idk where the butterfly effects come from and somehow it is 2-A lmao, probably they take this from DxD EX which is a short story about Issei's childs travelling from the future, the story was published because Author want to correct the mistake of Anime Season 3, cause the anime creator completely ignore the source material and messed the story up, in that why the change in studio in season 4 and a whole episode 0 just to correct the narrative, but even then i don't remember DxD EX said any about butterfly effect shit

While it is correct that the dimensional gap is between worlds, the idk the no concept of direction come from, probably from Anime Season 3 where the main cast said they can't figured out the direction in the dimension, don't know where to go, but Season 3 isn't canon cause it butchered the source matierial and even if it is canon, that statement mean nothing, people can't figure out the direction doesn't mean there are no concept of direction

The rest is mostly made up by assume the highest that each mythologies realm is a timeline, which isn't. And no statement about dimensional gap beyond reality either, at least from what i known, even those argument that it transcend the concept of direction and shit

Mid tier: small olanet to planet level
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Can't even destroy a continent

High tier: largr planetarium
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Those Ajuka created was fake moon which we don't know the nature, since they want to create an enviroment resemble that of human world for reincarnated devil to settle in, since most reincarnated devil is human

star buster star blaster is star level
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Name fallacy, also it is belong to an unlisted high-tier Longinus, no statement that it can destroy star aside from its name. Also Longinus in the series which said to have power to kill god and is said to have power to split the earth if mastered, it is Regulus Nemea, so yeah the statement contradicted what your friend claimed

DxD god level: in this range they are all in 2C to be able to destroy the Draconic x Deus comsology.
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They are stated to be able to destroy the world whicb is very ambiguous, and AxA which have power from great red is stated to be able to destroy the planet at max charges. And iirc Trihexa take hours to lay waste to one floor of Heaven, which is Island level. And the battle between Great Red and eh......a strong guy from ExE world, didn't even affected anything, the dimensional gap is fine despite they fighting in that

Anyway it is it
 
Vietthai96 said:
Look bullshit

The dimension DxD base is is called Draconic Deus not Draconic x Deus, also this mean Dragon God, refering to Great Red who guard the Dimensional Gap and is strongest being of Draconic Deus. Second, ExE said that Draconic Deus is Earth

idk where the butterfly effects come from and somehow it is 2-A lmao, probably they take this from DxD EX which is a short story about Issei's childs travelling from the future, the story was published because Author want to correct the mistake of Anime Season 3, cause the anime creator completely ignore the source material and messed the story up, in that why the change in studio in season 4 and a whole episode 0 just to correct the narrative, but even then i don't remember DxD EX said any about butterfly effect shit

While it is correct that the dimensional gap is between worlds, the idk the no concept of direction come from, probably from Anime Season 3 where the main cast said they can't figured out the direction in the dimension, don't know where to go, but Season 3 isn't canon cause it butchered the source matierial and even if it is canon, that statement mean nothing, people can't figure out the direction doesn't mean there are no concept of direction

The rest is mostly made up by assume the highest that each mythologies realm is a timeline, which isn't. And no statement about dimensional gap beyond reality either, at least from what i known, even those argument that it transcend the concept of direction and shit


Can't even destroy a continent


Those Ajuka created was fake moon which we don't know the nature, since they want to create an enviroment resemble that of human world for reincarnated devil to settle in, since most reincarnated devil is human


Name fallacy, also it is belong to an unlisted high-tier Longinus, no statement that it can destroy star aside from its name. Also Longinus in the series which said to have power to kill god and is said to have power to split the earth if mastered, it is Regulus Nemea, so yeah the statement contradicted what your friend claimed


They are stated to be able to destroy the world whicb is very ambiguous, and AxA which have power from great red is stated to be able to destroy the planet at max charges. And iirc Trihexa take hours to lay waste to one floor of Heaven, which is Island level. And the battle between Great Red and eh......a strong guy from ExE world, didn't even affected anything, the dimensional gap is fine despite they fighting in that

Anyway it is it
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Well, that's one debunk i suppose. Idk, I'll probably use the wanked version of DxD for my fanfiction, probably.

Because I'm combining Kill La Kill, My Hero Academia, Naruto/Boruto, Highschool DxD, RWBY, and Super Dragon Ball Heroes...

Yeah, if you want to ask something, go ahead.
 
Possible DBS EE layered potency and resistance?

Frieza resists sidra's bloodlusted but low level hakai
Toppo bypasses this resistance with a casual hakai while holding back and significantly harms him

Then Vegeta in SSBE REs and bypasses his hakai and punches through it when his final flash was erased earlier, ofcourse Jiren is also resistant to his hakai
 
Vietthai96 said:
Well, it is fanfiction idrc, people can put whatever rating they want in their fanfiction, it is your story, your call
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where is tier -1?

Jaakor48 said:
Possible DBS EE layered potency and resistance?

Frieza resists sidra's bloodlusted but low level hakai
Toppo bypasses this resistance with a casual hakai while holding back and significantly harms him

Then Vegeta in SSBE REs and bypasses his hakai and punches through it when his final flash was erased earlier, ofcourse Jiren is also resistant to his hakai
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I mean Frieza resisted Hakai in the sense of being erased. But Toppo also said that it would be easy to erase Frieza but he just didn't do it to avoid being disqualified.
 
Jaakor48 said:
Possible DBS EE layered potency and resistance?

Frieza resists sidra's bloodlusted but low level hakai
Toppo bypasses this resistance with a casual hakai while holding back and significantly harms him

Then Vegeta in SSBE REs and bypasses his hakai and punches through it when his final flash was erased earlier, ofcourse Jiren is also resistant to his hakai
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Idk EE but I think Moro Absorption is above baseline
 
Shouldn't Janemba get an upgrade to type 5 immortality? His entire being was made up of souls, Gogeta only managed to finish after destroying all the souls in his body
 
Having DB content come out every year as opposed to the current 3 to 5 year time gap may not be as glamorous as it sounds because, not only does it lead to oversaturation which can have negative ramifications for the series' reception and popularity, but having new media released in such short amounts of time is going to lead a degradation in quality of animation and writing and story....I'm not saying it's objectively going to happen, but I have seen examples of franchises that go for an annual release model which end up backfiring.

Also knowing that some Japanese animators have been documented as having gone through hellish work hours and being in a toxic work environment, I am genuinely concerned that those guys are going to be worked very very hard to get out content
 
With Frieza's calc being accepted I updated the chain scaling of this thread, it can also now be continued since the discussion about First Form Frieza's AP was the reason why it got haulted
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Dragon Ball AP Ratings Upgrade

27th of October Here's the updated AP ratings (OLD) All reasoning are in the notes of the blog post, the added multipliers are accepted in Toei AP blog too (except for the 23rd Budokai one and the multiplier of Piccolo fusing with Nail) If there's anything that needs to be changed I'll just...
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Phsccarvalho said:
I mean Frieza resisted Hakai in the sense of being erased. But Toppo also said that it would be easy to erase Frieza but he just didn't do it to avoid being disqualified.
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Exactly my point
Toppo's normal hakai> Frieza resistance>lower version used by sidra

He couldn't resist toppo,.he resisted sidra's minor one which was definitely aimed at erasing him
 
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