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Lord of the Mysteries Discussion Thread

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Serlock_Holmes said:
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4-B. Even then this is mostly statements only.

2-C if you push it, though this only applies to the strongest entity in the story.

If you wank it, you can possibly Fool the staff and convince them it's Low 1-C given enough effort and framing scans into that narrative, and since it's an obscure verse in this forum almost no one would verify it. I've seen more popular verses get away with unearned upgrades despite having upgrade threads with barely coherent sentences.

Though who knows what would happen with the current Tier 1 revision, especially since we're heavily pushing for stricter standards.
 
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With Ultima's revision passed. The Oldest One or Creator should be atleast 1-A.
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It will, at the very least, give him all sorts of the coveted P&A like Nonduality.

Whether he'd actually be Tier 1 is a different story. I will have to review the novel and Ultima's CRT again, since the LOTM cosmology isn't even Tier 1, and the OC scales to that because he could be said to be the cosmology himself. I have heard things about not necessitating a cosmology to scale to for a tier, but its best to go over it again.

LOTM has a lot of these esoteric haxes now commonly associated with Tier 1 characters, but some fans tend to forget how the final battle between two quasi-GOO characters went.
 
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Idk, the profiles is a fair bit dated tbh. I am sadly extremely busy so my planned verse-wide revision isn't gonna happen any time soon as I'm in the midst of doing my thesis + jobs.

I do think that LOTM concepts are at least Type 2 and Type 1 is not out of the question, though that's just my personal, limited take for now. When I began my revisions I was much more focused on Low Sequence scaling.
 
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Metalballrun said:
It will, at the very least, give him all sorts of the coveted P&A like Nonduality.

Whether he'd actually be Tier 1 is a different story. I will have to review the novel and Ultima's CRT again, since the LOTM cosmology isn't even Tier 1, and the OC scales to that because he could be said to be the cosmology himself. I have heard things about not necessitating a cosmology to scale to for a tier, but its best to go over it again.

LOTM has a lot of these esoteric haxes now commonly associated with Tier 1 characters, but some fans tend to forget how the final battle between two quasi-GOO characters went.
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With the scans I gave Ultima he told me he could see 1-A from the scans I gave.
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Of course the thing he's worried about is not an issue since Oldest One is also basically source of everything metaphysical and some other things.
 
Well yeah, in a vacuum it can be seen that way. That's why a proper lore and cosmology blog as to be laid out to properly determine it instead of just two scans. Especially since there is no qualitative superiority or transcendence in the verse.

It would be cool if we eventually end up in that tier. I simply want it to be absolutely concrete, unrefutably on that level when we actually get there. Because even if no one scales with the OC, his personas and by nature the rest of the GOOs would in some way be affected by it.
 
Metalballrun said:
I do think that LOTM concepts are at least Type 2 and Type 1 is not out of the question, though that's just my personal, limited take for now.
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I can see definitive type 1 for Adam via uniqueness and seq 1 characteristic creation stuff, as Chaos and madness are the true underlying nature of lotm world's reality.
 
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BestMGQScalerEver said:
With Ultima's revision passed. The Oldest One or Creator should be atleast 1-A.
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The Oldest One is at least Yuan Shi before the ending tier (Nirvana tier the penultimate cultivation stage) from Sage Who Transcended Samsara, the original creator/singularity

There was no booming sounds across the air this time and his head didn't feel like it was going to explode. Instead, the scene in front of him instantly darkened. There were no colors, no sound, no directions, and no concept of time. It was only a point in space that allowed one to discern what was near or far. Everything congregated to this one indescribable point where nothing seemed logical.

Perhaps others in the same situation as Meng Qi would panic or lose their minds over what in the world was happening. However, Meng Qi trained the "Primordial Beginning Golden Chapter" and the "Arts of Eight-Nine" where the Indestructible Primordial Beginning Form were similar to it. He could confirm his previous lifetime experiences at an earlier stage and realize that he was now in a singularity in the whole universe. It was the genuine body of Yuan Shi!

Right at that moment, an indescribable beam of light shot out, causing the singularity to expand. An irony formed as the two opposites suddenly intertwined. The past and future was the present while directions did not exist.

At the same time, the beam of light slowly turned into a banner-like and axe-like structure that struck forward. The singularity exploded outwards, causing a gush of light to rush out and stain the sky. An unforeseen explosion that seemed to surpass anything in history occurred as direction formed, space existed, and ancient thoughts started to beat. However, everything was blurry and time seemed to exist occasionally. The past, present, and future split up to become a river of time where the river mouth was the very beginning of everything. Yet, the river seemed to flow without direction and heading for nowhere.

him splitting because he is a being of every contradicting concepts is similar to the Singularity/how an "Era/Epoch" ends in SWTS, when everything returns to Wuji/Singularity everything contradictory can superimpose and then Yuan Shi (and later the MC) split the nothingness creating a new "Era".
 
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LazyDaoist said:
The Oldest One is at least Yuan Shi before the ending tier (Nirvana tier the penultimate cultivation stage) from Sage Who Transcended Samsara, the original creator/singularity

There was no booming sounds across the air this time and his head didn't feel like it was going to explode. Instead, the scene in front of him instantly darkened. There were no colors, no sound, no directions, and no concept of time. It was only a point in space that allowed one to discern what was near or far. Everything congregated to this one indescribable point where nothing seemed logical.

Perhaps others in the same situation as Meng Qi would panic or lose their minds over what in the world was happening. However, Meng Qi trained the "Primordial Beginning Golden Chapter" and the "Arts of Eight-Nine" where the Indestructible Primordial Beginning Form were similar to it. He could confirm his previous lifetime experiences at an earlier stage and realize that he was now in a singularity in the whole universe. It was the genuine body of Yuan Shi!

Right at that moment, an indescribable beam of light shot out, causing the singularity to expand. An irony formed as the two opposites suddenly intertwined. The past and future was the present while directions did not exist.

At the same time, the beam of light slowly turned into a banner-like and axe-like structure that struck forward. The singularity exploded outwards, causing a gush of light to rush out and stain the sky. An unforeseen explosion that seemed to surpass anything in history occurred as direction formed, space existed, and ancient thoughts started to beat. However, everything was blurry and time seemed to exist occasionally. The past, present, and future split up to become a river of time where the river mouth was the very beginning of everything. Yet, the river seemed to flow without direction and heading for nowhere.

him splitting because he is a being of every contradicting concepts is similar to the Singularity/how an "Era/Epoch" ends in SWTS, when everything returns to Wuji/Singularity everything contradictory can superimpose and then Yuan Shi (and later the MC) split the nothingness creating a new "Era".
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This is lord of mysteries.
 
Metalballrun said:
It will, at the very least, give him all sorts of the coveted P&A like Nonduality.

Whether he'd actually be Tier 1 is a different story. I will have to review the novel and Ultima's CRT again, since the LOTM cosmology isn't even Tier 1, and the OC scales to that because he could be said to be the cosmology himself. I have heard things about not necessitating a cosmology to scale to for a tier, but its best to go over it again.

LOTM has a lot of these esoteric haxes now commonly associated with Tier 1 characters, but some fans tend to forget how the final battle between two quasi-GOO characters went.
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I think the cosmology itself should scale higher than what we have it right? I am not sure about the character's existence scaling up to that.

At least the spirit world in my opinion should be 4D-5D
Scans for 4-5D spirit world

Other LOTM scans google doc (Only look at scans and ignore the explanations since they are outdated and wrong)
 
I wish I understood this cosmology stuff.
 
LOTM_Historian said:
I think the cosmology itself should scale higher than what we have it right? I am not sure about the character's existence scaling up to that.

At least the spirit world in my opinion should be 4D-5D
Scans for 4-5D spirit world

Other LOTM scans google doc (Only look at scans and ignore the explanations since they are outdated and wrong)
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The higher dimensionality in LOTM would be the Sefirahs, since it's described as infinite height (无穷高处) multiple times and it's the same word used for the higher dimension (the Heavens) in SWTS and i think in TOMA too.

The western continent leak also said that Sefirahs = Heavens so it matches
 
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The higher dimensionality in LOTM would be the Sefirahs, since it's described as infinite height (无穷高处) multiple times and it's the same word used for the higher dimension (the Heavens) in SWTS and i think in TOMA too.

The western continent leak also said that Sefirahs = Heavens so it matches
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Ya, I agree with you that Sefirah Castle is also a higher dimension. I have it at 5D-6D depending on where you scale the spirit world.

I think both are higher dimensions.
 
LOTM_Historian said:
Ya, I agree with you that Sefirah Castle is also a higher dimension. I have it at 5D-6D depending on where you scale the spirit world.

I think both are higher dimensions.
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I think it's unlikely that the Spirit World is a higher D since it doesn't have the "can appear everywhere in the lower level" like SWTS Legendary or TOMA True God because of their higher dimensional nature

Although Sambhogakaya and Legendary ubiquitous techniques were similar, they were not the same. Legendary was to elevate oneself to a higher state like the Nine Serenities and Celestial World and shroud above Real World and all Universe Caves, to be ubiquitous for those with lower levels but not for those with the same level. This was similar to Gu Erduo and his men who planned to kill Su Wuming and tricked him to Jasper Lake to destroy this characteristic.
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His eyes were half-closed, the real spirit who could see the nature and Light of Wisdom had long ago transcended into the Real World, and ascended to the infinity peak. Looking down on all directions, all that could be seen was twisted and folded, absolutely different from the normal mode.

This was the Legendary's point of view!

As if his body was in the Celestial World, engulfing the entire universe, Meng Qi's Divine Sense spread and extended toward more and more universes.

But the amount of universes was infinite, like the bubbles on the Sea of Chaos.

"Do you see? This is the true god. I can appear at any place at any time and attack anyone, but you cannot break the boundary between god and mortals. You cannot touch my real body at all." Viken turned his head, as if he had finally got the status under control. "Even if I stand here and let you attack me, you cannot hit me at all. Your attacks will have no effects."

And i think the higher dimension for the Spirit World the chinese is just for "Upper Realm" it's not like the higher dimension in High-Dimensional Overseer
 
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LazyDaoist said:
I think it's unlikely that the Spirit World is a higher D since it doesn't have the "can appear everywhere in the lower level" like SWTS Legendary or TOMA True God because of their higher dimensional nature

Although Sambhogakaya and Legendary ubiquitous techniques were similar, they were not the same. Legendary was to elevate oneself to a higher state like the Nine Serenities and Celestial World and shroud above Real World and all Universe Caves, to be ubiquitous for those with lower levels but not for those with the same level. This was similar to Gu Erduo and his men who planned to kill Su Wuming and tricked him to Jasper Lake to destroy this characteristic.
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His eyes were half-closed, the real spirit who could see the nature and Light of Wisdom had long ago transcended into the Real World, and ascended to the infinity peak. Looking down on all directions, all that could be seen was twisted and folded, absolutely different from the normal mode.

This was the Legendary's point of view!

As if his body was in the Celestial World, engulfing the entire universe, Meng Qi's Divine Sense spread and extended toward more and more universes.

But the amount of universes was infinite, like the bubbles on the Sea of Chaos.

"Do you see? This is the true god. I can appear at any place at any time and attack anyone, but you cannot break the boundary between god and mortals. You cannot touch my real body at all." Viken turned his head, as if he had finally got the status under control. "Even if I stand here and let you attack me, you cannot hit me at all. Your attacks will have no effects."

And i think the higher dimension for the Spirit World the chinese is just for "Upper Realm" it's not like the higher dimension in High-Dimensional Overseer
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But it can appear anywhere in the real world? It’s stated that “It completely overlapped with the real world,” https://lordofthemysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Spirit_World

All places in the real world have a corresponding place in the spirit world unless it’s been concealed off by a god like forsaken land of the gods. However, the spirit world has places like Calderon city or the underworld that don’t have corresponding coordinates in reality.
 
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LOTM_Historian said:
But it can appear anywhere in the real world? It’s stated that “It completely overlapped with the real world,” https://lordofthemysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Spirit_World

All places in the real world have a corresponding place in the spirit world unless it’s been concealed off by a god like forsaken land of the gods. However, the spirit world has places like Calderon city or the underworld that don’t have corresponding coordinates in reality.
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The "can appear everywhere in the real world" meant that there's no "distance" to them, they can appear instantly anywhere in the lower dimension multiverse, while the Spirit World is for teleportation it isn't to that point
 
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The "can appear everywhere in the real world" meant that there's no "distance" to them, they can appear instantly anywhere in the lower dimension multiverse, while the Spirit World is for teleportation it isn't to that point
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Can you explain further? How is there a distance to the spirit world? Because as long as you know the coordinate point you can appear anywhere using the spirit world.

Additionally, you can use spirit vision to look into the spirit world while in reality. For example, how Lumian first saw the spirit world.

I don’t fully get what you are trying to say.
 
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Can you explain further? How is there a distance to the spirit world? Because as long as you know the coordinate point you can appear anywhere using the spirit world.

Additionally, you can use spirit vision to look into the spirit world while in reality. For example, how Lumian first saw the spirit world.

I don’t fully get what you are trying to say.
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Not distance to the Spirit World, i mean in SWTS those at Legendary realm can appear anywhere instantly (ubiquitous) in the 4D Multiverse just because of their higher dimensional nature, so there's no distance to them going anywhere in the 4D multiverse
Although Sambhogakaya and Legendary ubiquitous techniques were similar, they were not the same. Legendary was to elevate oneself to a higher state like the Nine Serenities and Celestial World and shroud above Real World and all Universe Caves, to be ubiquitous for those with lower levels but not for those with the same level.
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The Celestial Slashing Sword, dark in color, was a space killing sword. It wasn’t just space in the general sense, but included spaces of both higher and lower levels, such as space with only length and breadth but no height and a space that could be everywhere in the real world.
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Not distance to the Spirit World, i mean in SWTS those at Legendary realm can appear anywhere instantly (ubiquitous) in the 4D Multiverse just because of their higher dimensional nature
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Aren’t we talking about lord of the mysteries? I’m not sure what SWTS has to do with this.
 
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It's cuttlefish previous work, there's a lot of similarities in his world buildings between his works
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Okay but like, it’s a different work. Of course they aren’t going to be the exact same. SWTS isn’t the standard that we are striving for 4D, it’s vsbw’s.
 
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Okay but like, it’s a different work. Of course they aren’t going to be the exact same. SWTS isn’t the standard that we are striving for 4D, it’s vsbw’s.
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Fair, but that's how it is in TOMA too (even though that novel ends before the MC become a higher dimensional being so it isn't fully explained unlike SWTS where the MC reach beyond dimensional)
I think it's likely it won't be too different in LOTM (if Klein/Lumian level in COI or the 3rd book)
 
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If I were to change the layout of the verse page , what do you think? The current format I think is too difficult for editing or adding new profile pages

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