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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

I'm going out of retirement for just this day and then going into retirement right afterward. This situation for the VS Battles Dragon Ball community has entirely impressed me. Gone above and beyond, that's for sure. Now then, for whoever wants a history lesson:

This entire train started with the separation of Space-Time for each 'Universe' in the Timeline (In regards to anyone scaling to it other than Zeno). One can find this here. The sheer irony is that how we got from this to here is mainly due to Kukui being quite stubborn and making a thread after this, and likely unintentionally, got the ball rolling (Ironic, considering his general opposition). That discussion spanned for multiple threads and was as long as you'd expect; eventually, it passed. The Universes having separate Space-Times eventually became well acquainted to the majority of people as quite a few people now scaled to it, but some "implication" from it came reeling in when Zamasu_Chan decided the best course of action was to try to upgrade DBH to Low 1-C, and pulled the most daring move possible: Trying to upgrade DBS to scale to this as well.

The thread proceeded to get steamrolled by DT, but not without some words of "wisdom" given by Gilver and me; a couple of years afterward, Profectus found that thread and our comments and went: "Yeah, I'm going to change the world." and remastered it. Not without difficulties, as they had to change certain "things" about the Tier System before getting it accepted.

And now we're here. High props to you Profectus; you did a fine job, and to the majority of Dragon Ball community for making supplementary points. Just a word of advice: Don't get too close to the sun for your own good, or it might undo everything. Oh, and maybe make a Discord group if you don't have it, because eventually there will be pushback to this, and the Administrators would be more than happy about getting rid of it for the cosmology when an ever-slight (negative) applicable change is made to tier 1's in the future. You're going to need all the internal consistency and best of minds beforehand that you can get.

Take care, everyone. All the best. :)
 
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Weird.
You'd think their normal energy blasts would erase targets, too.

S'not like the Power of Destruction exists.
i suppose you are right, i tried to argue this once, nearly everyone was against it when i said it

Zen-Oh scales physically to Erase because:
  1. The Wiki erroneously considers Erase an omnidirectional energy attack.
  2. The Wiki erroneously considers Erase a Ki attack.
What even proves Zen-Oh can use Ki?
that.......is actually a good question
 
For a more modest suggestion, sometimes I wonder if Goku should also have resistance to Mind Control. Vegeta resisted Babidi with willpower, ki or a combination of both.

Goku has displayed extraordinary willpower since childhood (this ability is indexed already), and his control of ki would now be much greater than anything in the Buu saga. What do you guys think?
 
For a more modest suggestion, sometimes I wonder if Goku should also have resistance to Mind Control. Vegeta resisted Babidi with willpower, ki or a combination of both.

Goku has displayed extraordinary willpower since childhood (this ability is indexed already), and his control of ki would now be much greater than anything in the Buu saga. What do you guys think?
wasn't that more pride than anything?
 
For a more modest suggestion, sometimes I wonder if Goku should also have resistance to Mind Control. Vegeta resisted Babidi with willpower, ki or a combination of both.

Goku has displayed extraordinary willpower since childhood (this ability is indexed already), and his control of ki would now be much greater than anything in the Buu saga. What do you guys think?
There is an definitive explanation for why Vegeta resisted Babidi's mind control? Depending on the explanation, the same resistance can be applied to Goku
 
wasn't that more pride than anything?
I think some of Babidi's quotes talk about his willpower. But I'd need to look at the whole sequence of events again and I don't have access to DB raws. It is another reason why I'm asking here first, because I think it would make it easier to fact check without running the risk of mistranslation.
There is an definitive explanation for why Vegeta resisted Babidi's mind control? Depending on the explanation, the same resistance can be applied to Goku
In these forums at least, the accepted reason on Vegeta's profile says that it was done through sheer willpower.
 
I think some of Babidi's quotes talk about his willpower. But I'd need to look at the whole sequence of events again and I don't have access to DB raws. It is another reason why I'm asking here first, because I think it would make it easier to fact check without running the risk of mistranslation.

In these forums at least, the accepted reason on Vegeta's profile says that it was done through sheer willpower.
I also remember Babidi talking something like this, but i will need to confirm, but if this is the canon reason, "resistance to mind control" would also apply to Goku
 
So what will be the first thing we should do after 5D passes?

Wait to see if someone will create a downgrade crt a second later?

See the sizing of some characters? Like Beerus having the power to erase Arale.

Or do something else?
Work on and release a complete cosmology blog. You will all be hurting yourselves without one.
 
This piece of advice is REALLY needed here more so than anything else because some of us have already taken off for the Sun and are using it as our stove to cook.
Some of these mfs are going to build a Dyson Sphere to cook up a Low 1-C Goku or Jiren thread
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Goku had Supernatural Willpower but I doubt the Kaio-Ken suffices. Surviving the Ultra Divine Water seems like a much better argument.

For context the two DB characters with Supernatural Willpower are Vegeta for breaking mind control and Freeza for staying sane in Hell while paralysed for around 20 years.
 
I think some of Babidi's quotes talk about his willpower. But I'd need to look at the whole sequence of events again and I don't have access to DB raws. It is another reason why I'm asking here first, because I think it would make it easier to fact check without running the risk of mistranslation.
Copy Vegeta even resisted Commenson's mind control as with his willpower, which was apparently once said to be capable of creating massive armies over his control to invade planets.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Goku had Supernatural Willpower but I doubt the Kaio-Ken suffices. Surviving the Ultra Divine Water seems like a much better argument.

For context the two DB characters with Supernatural Willpower are Vegeta for breaking mind control and Freeza for staying sane in Hell while paralysed for around 20 years.
Me too, but i posted this because it's what's on his profile
 
Copy Vegeta even resisted Commenson's mind control as with his willpower, which was apparently once said to be capable of creating massive armies over his control to invade planets.
I wouldn't be surprised if Goku had Supernatural Willpower but I doubt the Kaio-Ken suffices. Surviving the Ultra Divine Water seems like a much better argument.

For context the two DB characters with Supernatural Willpower are Vegeta for breaking mind control and Freeza for staying sane in Hell while paralysed for around 20 years.
This and that. Also Supernatural Willpower is already accepted on Goku's profile for that reason.
 
This and that. Also Supernatural Willpower is already accepted on Goku's profile for that reason.
Oh that's strange, I thought he didn't have it for some reason. Yeah I definitely find the Kaio-Ken qualifying to be a bit strange but I don't care enough to raise a fuss.
 
how do we know that?
Goku should reasonably scale to Vegeta's mental resistance but that requires, guess what, reasoning, and that's not really what we do here when it comes to Dragon Ball

Case in point
Well, by comparison of feats. Goku already has supernatural willpower accepted in his profile. Vegeta's accepted means of resisting Babidi's mind control was sheer willpower. Unless Vegeta's mental resistance or Babidi's magic of mind control turns out to be layered, I think it's not a logical leap to say that the feats of each are at least comparable (I am in fact leaning towards Goku's feats being better than Vegeta's since the water straight up kills and that sounds like a step up from mind control). If I remember it right, one of Korin's quotes also state that the water had magical properties, yet another reason to compare the feats unless this last part a mistranslation.
 
Well, by comparison of feats. Goku already has supernatural willpower accepted in his profile. Vegeta's accepted means of resisting Babidi's mind control was sheer willpower. Unless Vegeta's mental resistance or Babidi's magic of mind control turns out to be layered, I think it's not a logical leap to say that the feats of each are at least comparable (I am in fact leaning towards Goku's feats being better than Vegeta's since the water straight up kills and that seems like a step up from mind control). If I remember it right, one of Korin's quotes also state that the water had magical properties, yet another reason to compare the feats unless this last part a mistranslation.

Oh I fully agree, but this site didn't even give Jiren resistance to EE despite reasonably scaling above people who could resist it. I don't know of that's been fixed or not, but you get the idea.
 
Oh I fully agree, but this site didn't even give Jiren resistance to EE despite reasonably scaling above people who could resist it. I don't know of that's been fixed or not, but you get the idea.
This is more on the willpower component of ki rather than "greater ki power meaning it should scale". I'm thinking they're on to something
 
Well, by comparison of feats. Goku already has supernatural willpower accepted in his profile. Vegeta's accepted means of resisting Babidi's mind control was sheer willpower. Unless Vegeta's mental resistance or Babidi's magic of mind control turns out to be layered, I think it's not a logical leap to say that the feats of each are at least comparable (I am in fact leaning towards Goku's feats being better than Vegeta's since the water straight up kills and that sounds like a step up from mind control). If I remember it right, one of Korin's quotes also state that the water had magical properties, yet another reason to compare the feats unless this last part a mistranslation.

Piccolo also thinks Babidi wouldn't be able to control someone as powerful as Dabura, and Kibito explains that it's because he controls them through evil, there's also Vegeta letting Babidi control him by his own will which would probably mean he wouldn't be controlled if he didn't want to
 
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