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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
I believe that the spaces between the Universes are of Universal size because they can fit a number of planets, stars, and galaxies, I believe that alone would be enough to be the size of the Universe

According to what I read in the Universe tab there must be mention of it being a Universe or it is separated by space-time, in the manga it is mentioned as being a dimension and dimensions in DBS are separated by Space time
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the dimension of the Grand Kai is not currently accepted as a space time even tho it is a dimension
 
Speaking of dimensions, the world of the Kaioshins is separated from the entire realm of the living and the dead, until now it has not been added as a space-time of Universal size (as being the fourth space-time)

This is all due to the new calculation that made the world of the dead bigger and the kingdom of the Kaioshins is half the kingdom of the living and the dead.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Speaking of dimensions, the world of the Kaioshins is separated from the entire realm of the living and the dead, until now it has not been added as a space-time of Universal size (as being the fourth space-time)

This is all due to the new calculation that made the world of the dead bigger and the kingdom of the Kaioshins is half the kingdom of the living and the dead.
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the kaioshin realm currently IS accepted as the 3th universal space time
 
Jaakor48 said:
I don't think you're getting me, I am not asking of it is 5D, there was a 6 page thread where it was accepted as 5D but "not significantly large enough to be tiered"

Hence my question, how high does a 5d realm have to be or what must it contain to be significant? Does it need to be infinite?
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I don't know why you guys are still trying to cook neutral space instead of trying hypertime lines.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
No, no, afterlife, world of the living, and that GT dimension that I always forget the name of
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no, currently the only 3 universal space times are the Living Universe, Afterlife and the kaioshin realm, the Sugoroku space was never accepted as a universal sized space time in any of the 2-C upgrades
 
Jaakor48 said:
The 5th axis in this case would essentially be the region in which the 4d space times are held in right? Since they would need to be held across a 5D space to be side by side yet spatiotemporally distinct?


If a 5d realm contains 12 2C structures+ other stars/galaxies, would it qualify?
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No. A 2-B multiverse is very technically a "5-D space containing many universes". It isn't Low 1-C.

What do you have that can explicitly showcase that 5-dimensional axis to extend that long? It can be 1 centimeter between universes in that axis and still be a proper multiverse. If I have a million 2-dimensional planes stacked up with 1 yoctometer between them, it'd be doubtful if I hit 10-B via destroying them all, and similar logic applies. And please don't bring up the visuals, by that logic the timeline would be Low 2-C since higher-dimensional visual depiction isn't what's happening there.

It sucks but at this point, you need proper statements and not just visual cues.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I don't know why you guys are still trying to cook neutral space instead of trying hypertime lines.
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Yeah, Low 1-C neutral zone is basically a lost cause. It was already determined in the [above baseline 2-A] staff thread that visuals don’t work as even supporting evidence. If you were to take visuals seriously, then technically speaking, the observable universe, the space-time bubble as a whole, and the space between all share the same dimensionality, and basically everything would be downgraded to 3-A.
 
Planck69 said:
What do you have that can explicitly showcase that 5-dimensional axis to extend that long?
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so, it need to be explicitly stated that the space between space-time continuum/timeline is 5-dimensional axis before we talking about its size, or just have evidence that it significant in size is enough??
Phsccarvalho said:
I don't know why you guys are still trying to cook neutral space instead of trying hypertime lines.
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i have been arguing hypertimeline for years, but no one seem to acknowledge it it, so.................
 
ProfectusInfinity said:
Yeah, Low 1-C neutral zone is basically a lost cause. It was already determined in the [above baseline 2-A] staff thread that visuals don’t work as even supporting evidence. If you were to take visuals seriously, then technically speaking, the observable universe, the space-time bubble as a whole, and the space between all share the same dimensionality, and basically everything would be downgraded to 3-A.
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Sir, yes sir.
 
Vietthai96 said:
so, it need to be explicitly stated that the space between space-time continuum/timeline is 5-dimensional axis before we talking about its size, or just have evidence that it significant in size is enough??

i have been arguing hypertimeline for years, but no one seem to acknowledge it it, so.................
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I feel like there's miscommunication here.

The default assumption is that space-time continuums and parallel realities especially, are displaced across a 5-dimensional distance. You have to prove that this distance is large or infinite with statements.

Can't talk about the hyper-timeline stuff. DB seems to be cursed.
 
Planck69 said:
I feel like there's miscommunication here.

The default assumption is that space-time continuums and parallel realities especially, are displaced across a 5-dimensional distance. You have to prove that this distance is large or infinite with statements.

Can't talk about the hyper-timeline stuff. DB seems to be cursed.
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DB seems to be cursed
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I believe this to be true, I'm laughing a lot about it.
 
Planck69 said:
Can't talk about the hyper-timeline stuff. DB seems to be cursed.
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Speaking of hypertimelines.

The individual universes are considered a space-time continuum, and the individual universes are composed of 3 spacetimes.
Note: We consider the universes in Dragon Ball alternate time-spaces relative to each other, hence why Zen'ō is rated as 2-C, despite the events in the Goku Black Saga showing parallel timelines encompassing the whole of the multiverse.

The reason for this is that Universe 7 by itself has already been shown to contain parallel space-time continuums within its globe, such as the Room of Spirit and Time, which is still affected by time travel; which proves that the new timelines can encompass other space-times as well, and thus the events in the Future Trunks Saga don't prove anything in the way of the universes being physically connected.
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Like the Greek world
The Greek World is a greater timeline that embeds 4-dimensional space-time continuums
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Had DB not cursed in some way, perhaps we would have had DB 6D
 
The Greek World is a greater timeline that embeds 4-dimensional space-time continuums
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I guarantee this is just because of the realms being mentioned as infinite, DB cannot have a mention that the Universes are infinite or infinite dimensions ( who says it is hyperbole, poetry, or bad translation like the world of emptiness that has the same meaning as eternal, anyway, DB is only in this tier because we don't even have the creator's own lines of DB being as the word of a God)
 
Planck69 said:
The default assumption is that space-time continuums and parallel realities especially, are displaced across a 5-dimensional distance
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oke, thank you then, some said to me that the space must be stated to be 5-dimensional axis, i feel like it is too hyper-specific
Planck69 said:
Can't talk about the hyper-timeline stuff. DB seems to be cursed.
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.....................well, can't argue with that lol
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
I guarantee this is just because of the realms being mentioned as infinite, DB cannot have a mention that the Universes are infinite or infinite dimensions ( who says it is hyperbole, poetry, or bad translation like the world of emptiness that has the same meaning as eternal, anyway, DB is only in this tier because we don't even have the creator's own lines of DB being as the word of a God)
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I don't think it really matters since we're dealing with 4D.

Only a timeline has countless infinities of 3D space.

In the case of DB there are three infinite 4D that are within another space-time continuum called universe 7. And as time is infinite.

Countless infinities of 4D space.

And that’s just counting the individual universe.

And not the multiverse and the hypertimeline that encompasses them.

TheGodOfICE777 said:
Don’t worry about hypertimelines for DB there‘s always people in the background working
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You're cooking?
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I don't think it really matters since we're dealing with 4D.

Only a timeline has countless infinities of 3D space.

In the case of DB there are three infinite 4D that are within another space-time continuum called universe 7. And as time is infinite.

Countless infinities of 4D space.

And that’s just counting the individual universe.

And not the multiverse and the hypertimeline that encompasses them.
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If time is infinite wouldn't that make the multiverse 2-A?
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
If time is infinite wouldn't that make the multiverse 2-A?
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Greenshifter already tried an upgrade like this under the basis that the Kaioshin realm being “eternal” or something like that meant the Macrocosm held infinite time and was therefore 2-A.

The problem is, time is infinite by default as it extends infinitely throughout past/present/future. I think Qawsedf’s response was something like “That’s not 2-A. The 4th dimension is a direction, and 2-A is an infinite number of 4th dimensional direction.”

But I find that confusing too, since DontTalk has explained before that a single direction of time can service multiple space-times. So 2-A isn’t when time is infinite, and it’s not when you have infinite 4th dimensional directions either… so what is it on a fundamental level (beyond just infinite space-times)?
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
If time is infinite wouldn't that make the multiverse 2-A?
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The DB Multiverse? I already said that according to the hyperlines of time it would be 5D.

Since in the same way that a timeline has countless infinities of 3D space, hypertimelines would have to 5D.

I still don't know about everything, I'm still a bit new at the beginning of tier 1. So don't trust anything I say.

But at least I can see a possibility of 6D DB if they know how to cook well.
 
ProfectusInfinity said:
Greenshifter already tried an upgrade like this under the basis that the Kaioshin realm being “eternal” or something like that meant the Macrocosm held infinite time and was therefore 2-A.

The problem is, time is infinite by default as it extends infinitely throughout past/present/future. I think Qawsedf’s response was something like “That’s not 2-A. The 4th dimension is a direction, and 2-A is an infinite number of 4th dimensional direction.”

But I find that confusing too, since DontTalk has explained before that a single direction of time can service multiple space-times. So 2-A isn’t when time is infinite, and it’s not when you have infinite 4th dimensional directions either… so what is it on a fundamental level (beyond just infinite space-times)?
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I understand
Phsccarvalho said:
The DB Multiverse? I already said that according to the hyperlines of time it would be 5D.

Since in the same way that a timeline has countless infinities of 3D space, hypertimelines would have to 5D.

I still don't know about everything, I'm still a bit new at the beginning of tier 1. So don't trust anything I say.

But at least I can see a possibility of 6D DB if they know how to cook well.
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I guarantee you that I understand less than what you said, for me the level is like those A+B= x calculations
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
I guarantee you that I understand less than what you said, for me the level is like those A+B= x calculations
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This is why we are grateful that we are not members of the Staff to have to deal with several crts on R > f 1-A if the Ultima crt passes.

If a good part of the staff didn't want to come even close or called for something Low 1-C, I don't even want to imagine the wave of 1-A that will come.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
This is why we are grateful that we are not members of the Staff to have to deal with several crts on R > f 1-A if the Ultima crt passes.

If a good part of the staff didn't want to come even close or called for something Low 1-C, I don't even want to imagine the wave of 1-A that will come.
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Quite a headache
 
Planck69 said:
No. A 2-B multiverse is very technically a "5-D space containing many universes". It isn't Low 1-C.

What do you have that can explicitly showcase that 5-dimensional axis to extend that long? It can be 1 centimeter between universes in that axis and still be a proper multiverse. If I have a million 2-dimensional planes stacked up with 1 yoctometer between them, it'd be doubtful if I hit 10-B via destroying them all, and similar logic applies. And please don't bring up the visuals, by that logic the timeline would be Low 2-C since higher-dimensional visual depiction isn't what's happening there.

It sucks but at this point, you need proper statements and not just visual cues.
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No I get this, but the macrocasm each contain 3 universal realms, example, the mortal universe, otherworld and Kaioshin realm.

Between 2 macrocasms, the distance between their mortal universe for example, still has a Kaioshin realm between them as it orbits the macrocasm ball, wouldn't that count?

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Yo be more specific

Macrocosm A has the Kaioshin realm (universe size) orbiting it, macrocosm B has the same, to get from mortal universe A to B, there are 2 Kaioshin realms on between, each universal in size and then you enter the globe, does that not count?

I mean 2B talks about multiple low 2c space times right? Not multiple 2c multiverses?
 
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