Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Giannysmag]

Now we gotta ask for some mods to take a look at it .

Also I think we can scale

Yuta (Was confidence enough to handle Mahogara)

15F Sukuna blitzed Ryu who was keeping up with Yuta so i don't think he should scale. I do think Mahoraga when summoned by Sukky should scale tho, infact i think we should probably split Maho's page into a Megumi and a Sukuna key, since the power of Shikigami varies depending on the user

Kashimo
Sukuna
Gojo

These i obviously agree with

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

15F Sukuna blitzed Ryu who was keeping up with Yuta so i don't think he should scale. I do think Mahoraga when summoned by Sukky should scale tho, infact i think we should probably split Maho's page into a Megumi and a Sukuna key, since the power of Shikigami varies depending on the user

Actually that's Yuta from Culling game. Obviously it's implied they trained and doing everything to get Megumi back and Gojo coming back and he should have trained Yuta alongside with him especially Yuta is considered as Insurance if Gojo fails.

Also let's not forget Yuta is Prodidy who regained his Special Grade status just in 3 months. I can see him cooking.

But I do agree 15F Sukuna > Culling Game Yuta.

Also While we are on this Gojo had 4BF amps to regain his RCT right. It will be 2X amp for sts overall.

Full Power Sukuna ~ Full Power Gojo > Weakend Sukuna (FTL feat )

So shouldn't full power Gojo and Sukuna should scale 2x the value of current Calculation

 

[Giannysmag]

Actually that's Yuta from Culling game. Obviously it's implied they trained and doing everything to get Megumi back and Gojo coming back and he should have trained Yuta alongside with him especially Yuta is considered as Insurance if Gojo fails.

Also let's not forget Yuta is Prodidy who regained his Special Grade status just in 3 months. I can see him cooking.

That's fair but i feel we should wait for something more concrete before we scale him to FTL

Also While we are on this Gojo had 4BF amps to regain his RCT right. It will be 2X amp for sts overall.

Full Power Sukuna ~ Full Power Gojo > Weakend Sukuna (FTL feat )

So shouldn't full power Gojo and Sukuna should scale 2x the value of current Calculation

I'm actually a bit confused on what you mean. Is it that since Sukky can't RCT, he is 2x weaker since weakend Gojo needed a 2x amp to regain RCT?

 

[YukaSama4]

Tbf we can't scale Yuta to this

 

[ZKillerz]

We should wait for more feats to see the consistency of this
Sukuna just got tagged by a speed of sound attack aswell, so maybe we shouldn't jump the gun here.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

That's fair but i feel we should wait for something more concrete before we scale him to FTL

Yuta was confident on Handling Mahogara+It also shows he is backup if Gojo failed I can see him scaling somewhat relative to Weakend Sukuna.

I'm actually a bit confused on what you mean. Is it that since Sukky can't RCT, he is 2x weaker since weakend Gojo needed a 2x amp to regain RCT?

Yeah something like that
4BF = 1.2⁴ right?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

We should wait for more feats to see the consistency of this
Sukuna just got tagged by a speed of sound attack aswell, so maybe we shouldn't jump the gun here.

He didn't dodged ≠ tagged. Beside characters already has mach 3 feats as common. I don't see a problem with current calculations.

 

[Giannysmag]

We should wait for more feats to see the consistency of this
Sukuna just got tagged by a speed of sound attack aswell, so maybe we shouldn't jump the gun here.

I think it's fair to say he just didn't bother to react since he could just tank it, however needed to dodge the waves since it's stated they could evaporate him

It's also important to mention that Sukky kinda reacted to Kashimos lightning, since he started transforming while the bolt was mid air

 

[Giannysmag]

Yuta was confident on Handling Mahogara+It also shows he is backup if Gojo failed I can see him scaling somewhat relative to Weakend Sukuna.

Still going from Subsonic+ to FTL is a pretty massive jump without any feats backing it

Yeah something like that
4BF = 1.2⁴ right?

2.07x to be exact but yea that makes sense

 

[Duedate8898]

I think it's fair to say he just didn't bother to react since he could just tank it, however needed to dodge the waves since it's stated they could evaporate him

It's also important to mention that Sukky kinda reacted to Kashimos lightning, since he started transforming while the bolt was mid air

Please mark it as spoilers. Again, not out officially yet.

 

[Giannysmag]

Please mark it as spoilers. Again, not out officially yet.

My bad

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

15F Sukuna blitzed Ryu who was keeping up with Yuta so i don't think he should scale. I do think Mahoraga when summoned by Sukky should scale tho, infact i think we should probably split Maho's page into a Megumi and a Sukuna key, since the power of Shikigami varies depending on the user

Wasn’t taking the Sendai fight seriously, and Yuta literally stated he could handle Agito and Mahoraga due to Sukuna becoming weakened and without a Domain.

 

[Giannysmag]

Wasn’t taking the Sendai fight seriously,

He was definately series he just wasn't trying to kill Ryu and Uro

and Yuta literally stated he could handle Agito and Mahoraga due to Sukuna becoming weakened and without a Domain.

That's fair

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Still going from Subsonic+ to FTL is a pretty massive jump without any feats backing it

I would scale
Starts up Yuta - Subsonic+
Emotional Amped Yuta who fought Geto ~ Culling Game Yuta ~ Hakari [ MHS speed]
Shinjuku Showdown Yuta ~< Weakend Sukuna

2.07x to be exact but yea that makes sense

Well Lets see and cook then

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

He was definately series he just wasn't trying to kill Ryu and Uro

That's fair

No, he spends half the fight holding back, not using Rika or RCT, and protecting the people, and only after he gets jumped does he start pulling out his full arsenal. And despite that, he used no lethal weapons, and refrained from killing them when Ryu states he could’ve.

Yuta being the entire insurance means a lot more, considering the fact that Maki, and her equivalency to Toji, states losing him would be all of it. He also showed absolutely no fear of fighting Kashimo whatsoever by flaring his CE at him, further establishing he was nowhere near completely serious in Sendai.

 

[Maitreya12]

Sukuna left eye was not healed and Sukuna was still able to dodge the Attack. Is that changes any value?

It should be noted we can upscale the value by 1.2x for keeping up with a black flash amped Gojo, since this value would obviously scale to regular Sukuna and Gojo speed.

 

[Giannysmag]

That's kinda cool but like why would he even bother doing that?

I would scale
Starts up Yuta - Subsonic+
Emotional Amped Yuta who fought Geto ~ Culling Game Yuta ~ Hakari [ MHS speed]
Shinjuku Showdown Yuta ~< Weakend Sukuna

Seems good

No, he spends half the fight holding back, not using Rika or RCT, and protecting the people, and only after he gets jumped does he start pulling out his full arsenal. And despite that, he used no lethal weapons, and refrained from killing them when Ryu states he could’ve.

My point is that there isn't a reason to assume he is holding back his speed, just his abilities

Yuta being the entire insurance means a lot more, considering the fact that Maki, and her equivalency to Toji, states losing him would be all of it. He also showed absolutely no fear of fighting Kashimo whatsoever by flaring his CE at him, further establishing he was nowhere near completely serious in Sendai.

I do think Yuta likely scales just not his culling games version

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It should be noted we can upscale the value by 1.2x for keeping up with a black flash amped Gojo, since this value would obviously scale to regular Sukuna and Gojo speed.

Actually we were discussing that. It would scale higher than current feat.

Yeah something like that
4BF = 1.2⁴ right?

2.07x to be exact but yea that makes sense

^

 

[Duedate8898]

That's kinda cool but like why would he even bother doing that?

He explains it pretty well himself, he both wants the disaster curses to grow and be weakened so that he can absorb them and take their cursed techinques when they're at their most developed. So he does so by removing himself from the fight entirely.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

That's kinda cool but like why would he even bother doing that?

Most Probably he wanted Mahito and others take care of the business. I mean he wanted others to evolve so that he can absorb. You see the looks in Mahito eyes? Also when Kenjaku Absorbed him he said "I know". Beside Gravity Manipulation is Kenjaku technique I think he wanted others to fight and evolve on their on.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

My point is that there isn't a reason to assume he is holding back his speed, just his abilities

There is. Yuta wasn’t fighting selfishly, unlike with Geto, pouring out his all with a desire to go all out and kill him. We can very clearly see that when Yuta is charged by his emotions and such, his stats increase, notably his speed.

 

[Giannysmag]

He explains it pretty well himself, he both wants the disaster curses to grow and be weakened so that he can absorb them and take their cursed techinques when they're at their most developed. So he does so by removing himself from the fight entirely.

Most Probably he wanted Mahito and others take care of the business. I mean he wanted others to evolve so that he can absorb. You see the looks in Mahito eyes? Also when Kenjaku Absorbed him he said "I know". Beside Gravity Manipulation is Kenjaku technique I think he wanted others to fight and evolve on their on.

Damn they literally explain it in the thread, reading comprehension curse strikes again lmao

 

[Gokukid2005]

Gege's note implies that Yorozu could've done the same thing, but she couldn't because only her face was intact, meaning her body was completely destroyed, so it seems to be able to do that your body needs to be ok

Spoiler: Sukuna

I'm pretty sure what it meant was Yorozu transformed everything else BUT her face. So she couldn't use the full body restore like a senzu bean like Sukuna did.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Most Probably he wanted Mahito and others take care of the business. I mean he wanted others to evolve so that he can absorb. You see the looks in Mahito eyes? Also when Kenjaku Absorbed him he said "I know". Beside Gravity Manipulation is Kenjaku technique I think he wanted others to fight and evolve on their on.

This is contradicted by Kenjaku's own internal dialogue though, he was legitimately pissed that Gojo did that.

 

[Giannysmag]

This is contradicted by Kenjaku's own internal dialogue though, he was legitimately pissed that Gojo did that.

He didn't have an inner monologe tho, everything he said was outloud

 

[Dr._whiteee]

He didn't have an inner monologe tho, everything he said was outloud

Oh, I misremembered that. I could see the possibility given that.

 

[SunDaGamer]

So when will we get the Domain Expansion and Black Flash x1.2 multipliers accepted

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

This is contradicted by Kenjaku's own internal dialogue though, he was legitimately pissed that Gojo did that.

As far as I remember he didn't.

 

[ZKillerz]

Spoiler

I think it's fair to say he just didn't bother to react since he could just tank it, however needed to dodge the waves since it's stated they could evaporate him

Spoiler: Ridiculous assumptions

The issue here lies in the assertion that Sukuna moved significantly slower, at a pace considerably below his capability, to intentionally block this attack without any real reason. This logically makes no sense

Spoiler: Impractical decisions

Why would he choose to stand and wait for the attack if he could move 100 times faster than it? Why would Kashimo simply sit back and watch as his slow attack made its way towards Sukuna without taking any action during the downtime? It makes no sense

Spoiler: Inconsistency

Kashimo not only uses this particular ability (which is many times slower than his other attacks) once, but he repeats this action and uses it again. Which suggests that he deems the ability relevant enough to actively utilize during combat against a "Ftl opponent" which again would make no sense

Spoiler: Conclusion

This doesn't outright prove that sukuna isn't ftl, but it does put into question the consistency of this scaling which we can really only determine with more feats and statements.

 

[YukaSama4]

It contradicts the info that we have on the CT
After using it twice in front of Yuki, she figured out that it has a radius of 2-3 meters around the user

So it couldn't have just affected prison realm.

 

[YukaSama4]

Not to mention that with the new info in the last chapters of Gojo and Sukuna, the curses should've been able to notice the occurance of CE that happened before activating the gravity.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Not to mention that with the new info in the last chapters of Gojo and Sukuna, the curses should've been able to notice the occurance of CE that happened before activating the gravity.

Honestly doubt any Sorcerers beside Sukuna and Gojo can notice occurrence of spark when technique activates.

It contradicts the info that we have on the CT
After using it twice in front of Yuki, she figured out that it has a radius of 2-3 meters around the user

So it couldn't have just affected prison realm.

May be pixel issues?. It does seem like there was enough space. Beside can't he shorten the range?
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/kaisentcb_91_17.jpg
The fact Mahito looks suspicious of Kenjaku the moment he does that
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/kaisentcb_93_04.jpg
And this perfectly fits.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjktcb_133_18.jpg

 

[Giannysmag]

And this perfectly fits.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjktcb_133_18.jpg

This still goes so increadibly hard

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Spoiler: Ridiculous assumptions

The issue here lies in the assertion that Sukuna moved significantly slower, at a pace considerably below his capability, to intentionally block this attack without any real reason. This logically makes no sense

Spoiler: Impractical decisions

Why would he choose to stand and wait for the attack if he could move 100 times faster than it? Why would Kashimo simply sit back and watch as his slow attack made its way towards Sukuna without taking any action during the downtime? It makes no sense

Spoiler: Inconsistency

Kashimo not only uses this particular ability (which is many times slower than his other attacks) once, but he repeats this action and uses it again. Which suggests that he deems the ability relevant enough to actively utilize during combat against a "Ftl opponent" which again would make no sense

Spoiler: Conclusion

This doesn't outright prove that sukuna isn't ftl, but it does put into question the consistency of this scaling which we can really only determine with more feats and statements.

Bruh he could have Dodged HP but didn't because he was confident enough to Tank it. If Uraume can dodge it why can't Sukuna? We see considerable amount of distance between Sukuna and HP.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjk_223_013.png
His character tanking the attack because of he is sure enough to not die only prove he doens't care sometimes.

 

[Giannysmag]

Spoiler: Ridiculous assumptions

The issue here lies in the assertion that Sukuna moved significantly slower, at a pace considerably below his capability, to intentionally block this attack without any real reason. This logically makes no sense

Spoiler

Thats actually pretty in character for Sukuna to do. He lets Megumis shikigami hit himseveral times but then blitzes all of them. He blocks/tanks Mahoragas attacks even tho he blitzed in the very start of the fight. Man just doesnt like to move around

Spoiler: Inconsistency

Kashimo not only uses this particular ability (which is many times slower than his other attacks) once, but he repeats this action and uses it again. Which suggests that he deems the ability relevant enough to actively utilize during combat against a "Ftl opponent" which again would make no sense

Spoiler

Doesnt necessarily have to by because of speed, but because its an invisible AOE attack that Sukky isnt bothering to dodge in the first place

Spoiler: Conclusion

This doesn't outright prove that sukuna isn't ftl, but it does put into question the consistency of this scaling which we can really only determine with more feats and statements.

Spoiler

Sukuna in this same fight also reacts to Kashimos lightning, and they already scale above sound anyway so honestly him getting hit by the voice attack is the inconsistency here

 

[WrongIdea21]

Bruh he could have Dodged HP but didn't because he was confident enough to Tank it. If Uraume can dodge it why can't Sukuna? We see considerable amount of distance between Sukuna and HP.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjk_223_013.png
His character tanking the attack because of he is sure enough to not die only prove he doens't care sometimes.

Sukuna didn't realized the Attack coming untill the last second.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Sukuna didn't realized the Attack coming untill the last second.

Check the scan he is literally looking at it and trying to block it before it even reaches him.

 

[ZKillerz]

Spoiler

Thats actually pretty in character for Sukuna to do. He lets Megumis shikigami hit himseveral times but then blitzes all of them. He blocks/tanks Mahoragas attacks even tho he blitzed in the very start of the fight. Man just doesnt like to move around

Spoiler

Doesnt necessarily have to by because of speed, but because its an invisible AOE attack that Sukky isnt bothering to dodge in the first place

Spoiler

Sukuna in this same fight also reacts to Kashimos lightning, and they already scale above sound anyway so honestly him getting hit by the voice attack is the inconsistency here

Spoiler

This is because Sukuna is so much more powerful than Megumi at that point that he doesn't perceive his attacks as a threat. You cannot argue the same for CT Kashimo. Mahoraga might've unironically adapted to sukuna's speed.

This still implies that Sukuna was stone faced by a sound based attack. Whether or not he saw it doesn't change the fact that he remained stationary while a considerably slower attack landed on him.

Also, you haven't addressed how Kashimo used this ability twice, right in the midst of combat. He was exchanging blows with Sukuna and utilized the ability again. This simply suggests that the ability is fast enough to catch or pressure Sukuna in close quarters combat.

 

[ZKillerz]

This feat is fishy is all I'm saying.