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for the third time now, where else could these have come from if not for their physiology? this is like saying supermans heat vision doesnt come from him being
kryptonian and instead is there just because its there.
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Devil May Plot: Venturer to the Neverland
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kryptonian and instead is there just because its there.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Pretty sure that still works because every other Kryptonian actually showcases heat vision. So where does Vergil, or any other demon for that matter, showcase resistance to plot hax?
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They share all abilities except those granted by weapons. This is why they linked you VoV and the DMC3 Manga scans. It’s a literal plot point that they are identical in every way except their ideologies (which influences their weapon choices and thus weapon based abilities.) This same concept is echoed in Deadly Fortune when Dante talks about Nero and Vergil’s Souls, how they scream, and how Vergil’s was identical to his own and Nero’s is instead “similar.”
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Something that is very well documented.
You won't find Vergil using Royal Guard techniques because it's his style and he has his own parry techniques, Dante developed his own parry powers and Vergil his own. Vergil uses Summoned
Swords because he likes swords much more than gun.
And that's just active magic powers, with little relevance to physiology, more relevance to style and personality.
Funnily enough that's the only difference they have. Everything else from teleportation to regeneration or adaptation powers is something shared among them.
That's not even counting resistances untill DMC2. Because there's not a single resistance that is not shown to be shared between them. You know something which cannot be chosen or affected by personality because it's result of survival power, tieing into their adaptation/physiology powers.
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that isnt my point, my point is you're basically implying that if you strip dante of all his demonic heritage & power to the point where he's a regular ass dude, and throw him against this demon. he'd still be able resist it, thats why the burden of proof is on you here. not me. as his demonic power is quite literally the source of all his innate powers. resistances included
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This, too. It’s distinctly noted in the series that every ability Dante has (that is not weapon based) is from his unique Heritage as a Hybrid, and FURTHERMORE, a Hybrid from SPARDA’S blood.
Humans only have the power of Hope, Positive Emotions, and (General Cheesy Heart Stuff), and this only matters when they have DE—Of which most of even the humans ever talked about in series can’t use because they transform themselves into monsters (Arius, Agnus, Arkham, and Chen), becoming normal Demons and losing their Humanity.
In effect, in the context of the DMC, your take doesn’t make sense.
However, I say all of this as a person who disagrees with this being Plothax and instead believes this is just extremely powerful Dreamhax.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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"it's very well documented" gives 0 sources
In any case, this is a good example of what I'm talking about. We know that Dante can develop powers completely independently of Vergil; Why would we assume that anything Dante does is based on his physiology by default?
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That’s not related to his physiology. Royal Guard is a Demon Martial Art. Like I said before, the powers they DON’T SHARE are due to their CHOICES in life/Ideology.
Edit: Added a Source.
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You can have Plot Manipulation, without spelling out hyper specific terms like plot or narrative.
Yes, he is interacting with the world that he explicitly creates where everything goes according to how he writes/imagines.
He is also self-aware as the main character as well as the narrator of the story of Neverland, who can impose roles to other characters.
Pretty sure this is blatantly meta-fictional.
Unless you are trying to argue that only characters who control the overarching plot counts and not characters who can have more limited version of plot hax that extend within their own realms.
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You multiple profiles of Sparda profile and physiology page to crawl thru.
Not my problem you haven't taken them into account, like all necessary shit is explained their .
Because that is what he has be default? That's the entire point to their stories? DMC is literally a family soap opera of Sparda's with side of word apocalypse.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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...I know that. The point is that Dante has supernatural abilities that Vergil doesn't, so we can't just say "anything Dante can do, Vergil can do too". So you'd need proof of Vergil scaling to this resistance in some way.
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Majority of which are externally acquired.
Almost none of them innate. And some are acquired by versions who have superior physiology which don't backscale.
If you are so confident give me an example of innate ability Dante can do but Vergil can't.
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No, you’d need to prove this is unrelated to Dante’s physiology. Any ability they don’t share is distinctly because it relates to their choices, and the mechanisms they funnel their ideology through.
If Dante is resisting on no other factors other than “He is Dante,” (and thus, necessarily) “{the HYBRID SON OF SPARDA},” then it’s because of his innate physiology, which Vergil thus shares and benefits from.
An example that WOULD be valid to disqualify Vergil from a power is this:
“Dante has Alastor, and this gives him the limited ability to detect danger. Vergil does not have Alastor, thus he does not have that ability.”
But this inherently proves my point: This is an external mechanism {Alastor} Dante chooses unrelated to his natural powers. This resistance in this Dream is due to nothing but his own natural abilities.
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This is the most backwards ass logic I've seen lol
Burden of proof is on you. If a character has an ability or resistance, then it falls on you to explain why other characters would be able to do the same, or why that ability is part of their physiology. "Well how else would they do it" doesn't cut it.
Anyways I'll leave this up to staff, this is getting extremely circular.
Burden of proof is on you. If a character has an ability or resistance, then it falls on you to explain why other characters would be able to do the same, or why that ability is part of their physiology. "Well how else would they do it" doesn't cut it.
Anyways I'll leave this up to staff, this is getting extremely circular.
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This looks like reality warping and possible law manipulation. Its not stated that he controls the narrative of the world
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Its not "a blatant statement" its just "evidence of it altering the narrative"
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How is ALL of his powers specifically being due to his physiology (outside of outside factors like weapons, or martial arts choices)…literally the plot of the entire series…a contradictory circular logic chain? It’s the plot. Of. The games. It’s the source. Of ALL. His powers. That he doesn’t take from others.
Thus, logically, if he is not doing this from an EXTERNAL DEVICE, it MUST be from his physiology. Hell, he even REFERENCES how he resists from “His Demonic Power” being unfathomably higher than Pan—Which Vergil would scale to anyway. Even if you want to treat it as an esoteric trait specific to DANTE’S DE, Vergil has IDENTICAL DE (as stated multiple times their magic/Demon Power/Souls are identical).
Your argument is neither internally consistent nor sensical.
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I think you didn't understand what I said. I'm asking for evidence its altering the narrative, not specifically a "blatant statement". If you can prove its altering the plot without a statement somehow, then do it because these scans don't
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Doesn't Dante's profile currently have RE that lets him develop new resistances after one time exposure lol
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Might want to summarize the arguments against the thread and add a link to them so people who just viewed this thread can find it quicker instead of scrolling through this big CRT
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Sure.
But Dante doesn’t evolve here. He literally starts the endeavor inherently breaking the rules—Forcing his way into the Dream (Pan says this is impossible and that he should be the only one who is able to decide can go in and out), forcibly changing his own clothes back to normal, etc.
It’s not like how he was fighting Chen and was able to eventually side step his opponents precognition whilst on Death’s Door.
Here, Dante legit just walks in already having the resistance.
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RE is common to all Sparda physiology.
Only Post DMC2 does Dante have advanced RE, which is again given cut to cut competition by Urizen/DMC5 Vergil and post awakening Nero.
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Also note that the Qliphoth literally registered Urizen and Dante as the same person (as in, their DE) and fed them both blood during the one month timeskip.
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Well I mean, the burden of proof is on you to explain or show Dante innately develops new powers that Vergil can't develop apparently, even tho whatever alternative power Dante has is shown to be acquired from weapons or other beings like Quicksilver from Geyron.
The rest of the powers and their resistances are bcos of their physiology and is the major plot point, which others have already explained.
Heck, even your argument is wacky considering they are not just of the same species, but even identical twins, who are explicity stated to have the same powers, appearance, soul etc.
Anyways, I believe we should stop this back and forth arguing since its derailing the thread.
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Dante's clearly resisting whatever's going on here. But as for the plot, I still don't agree with it yeah, but Dante is definitely resisting whatever's going on here.
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I agree with resistance to reality warping
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If it's not plot hax, there seems to be some law manipulation there too.
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Pretty sure its plot hax but if it somehow doesn't get accepted then you have like 7 different abilities here from law to subjective reality and shit
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Anyways why are we having this discussion when we, blue names, are irrelevant?
Just call staff
Just call staff
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Actually him saying you have to follow his rules is meaningless. The context is about people not listening to him, it had nothing to do with Peter's power to control the world. You just took the word "rules" as a buzzword
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I wasn't talking about that scan
Tanin_iver
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U were using another to scan to twist the context, so.
