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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Hasch said:
Also again there's no evidence or reason for Zaraki to become exponentially stronger between TWBW and CFYOW, or to think Ichibei would lose when the reason the 0 squad didn't move is because they didn't care if Hikone became king
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Have you read CFYOW?
 
Excel616 said:
Nameless Ikomikidomoe is High 6-A, higher with Third Release, Ikomikidomoe regained his name after absorbing Soul King fragments and became High 4-C

So

Reio Fragments empowered Iko>>>>>>>Third Release Current Nameless Iko>>>>Current Nameless Iko=Past Ikomikidomoe.
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This is lie. Third Release iko is stated to have power= to if not surpassing barrgan. Third Release iko loss to espada combining their strongest attacks. After being defeated he stated if he had his true name or past power he would have beaten them with ease

Cfyow 3 right before hikone uses resurrection.

"Ikomikidomoe’s gigantic form was at last mostly destroyed and had turned into a statue that could only groan his resentments. “Curse you! If I just had my name! If I could just get back my true name, what I could do to you…!”
Excel616 said:
CFYOW Kenpachi is the strongest Shinigami and that includes Bankai Yamamoto and Ichibei. The 6 months gap of Zaraki's power between CFYOW and TYBW is huge. Kenpachi is almost like Ichigo. He is growth rate is abnormal but not as abnormal as Ichigo. Even if Ichibei was there at that very moment he would lose. People use the statements that Ichibei duty is to protect the Soul King. Tokinada goal for Hikone was to replace the Soul King who Yhwach was in that story.
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You clearly haven't read cfyow. Zaraki is overrated as hell. Base hikone at the time had power= to if not greater than barrgan. This is because hikone and Ikomikidomoe power levels mirror one another. So base supressed kenpachi is about barrgan to starrk level at most in cfyow. Kenpachi's without his eye path is probably a 10× amp since it's comparable to hikones resurrection which is a 10× amp.

Ichibei fought prime true name Ikomikidomoe

"Even a small Fragment of the Reio seemed to have given Ikomikidomoe immense power, to the point that the Manako Osho’s zanpaku-to ability had been weakened and he had apparently regained his true name that had been overwritten"

He regained his true name/power. Now i agree kenpachi is probably stronger than Ichibei with his shikai at least but hikone is not above ichibei as he fought true name Ikomikidomoe
 
Hasch said:
Why would you assume nameless Ikko is the same as past Ikko when the thing grows in power trough the novel as does Hikone?
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Hasch said:
Also again there's no evidence or reason for Zaraki to become exponentially stronger between TWBW and CFYOW, or to think Ichibei would lose when the reason the 0 squad didn't move is because they didn't care if Hikone became king.
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Yup ichibei literally said he didn't care if hikone was soul king and yeah theirs no evidence whatsoever that zaraki is far stronger than he was in the war arc
 
Couple of question about the arracar arc, give your opinion all of you without relying on the wiki.

Gin was fighting off-screen with Shinji, base Tosen as well, could it be that Kubo suggests that they are not much far away from each other?

Technically Aizen was a lot friend with Tosen, so him not wanting to kill him could be due to that.

This would mean Barragan and Starrk could potentially be stronger than them.

regarding starrk, before he was giving the final blow to the vizards, aka killing them

He was backstabbed by Kyoraku, this hits can deals a lot of damage and if we take Isshin as example, he lost reiastu, starrk could have been kinda nerfed for the whole 1vs1 with shunsui

IIRC starrk and barragan power are called peak in Hueco Mundo by Cien this could potentially include gin and Tosen as well

I can see Shunsui being always superior than Gin tbh
 
Excel616 said:
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This is what being chronically online does to people.

Says the guy on a battleboarding forum lol

Seriously, when it comes to animation, you can give constructive criticism, and you even have a right to publicly say if you like it or don't like it, but threats is a bit much. I can't understand people that threaten over video games, movies, TV shows, anime, manga, etc. I didn't like the She-Hulk show, but I never threatened anyone over it. Boruto isn't my cup of tea, but I never put a hit out on Kishimoto or Ikemoto.

People need to touch grass and realize life doesn't revolve around them fr
 
Reio35 said:
He regained his true name/power. Now i agree kenpachi is probably stronger than Ichibei with his shikai at least but hikone is not above ichibei as he fought true name Ikomikidomoe
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then you concede that Kenpachi got stronger than in his gremmy fight? Cause your previous posts suggest you think Kenny in shikai without eyepatch in CFYOW = Kenny in shikai with it in the TYBW
 
ZoroNotZolo said:
What crimes against humanity, the world, and God Himself have you committed to warrant that?
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Well for Twitter I'm known in this one fighting game pretty hated in it, someone uploaded a video of me losing and ppl were shit talking so I spazzed out in the comments. It was relating to me losing a first to ten pretty badly in front of thousands and there was alot negativity around it. Anyway the person that beat me on said first to ten was in the comments of the Twitter vid so I got mad and said I would slap their mom got banned and been like that for two years. Not sure why it was that drastic of a response on Twitter part though.

As for Reddit it's socks. I got banned on multiple subreddits and I have stalkers people who would instantly down vote anything I post so I made other accs. Was tired of getting stalked and threatened. This got me banned on pretty much all of them and shadow banned on others. I just don't bother using Reddit atp. Anytime I post it gets hidden from other people or instantly removed. Tho this was all years ago I'm just over Twitter and reddit
 
AppleLord said:
He wasn't even targeted. lol
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Stop these rat arguments shes literally absorbing all the buildings in front and behind ichigo. Plus it literally makes 0 sense why she should wouldn't target him aswell.
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Hasch said:
Would be arbitrary without all the statements and feats that give the context. Again is not hard to connect the dots.
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I’m scared to see how you completed connect the dot drawings as a child if this is how you connect dots.
Hasch said:
Weakens over time because of the statements that nothing last forever in bleach including kido and because of Ywach's example, any evidence of the oposite?
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You might have a point if, ya know, Ichibe’s name hax was Kido. Let’s not forget that he slapped that shit on the Soul King and it’s stuck for a million years. A few thousand is an absolute pittance by comparison.

But hey, I’m a generous guy. Lemme steelman your argument that it gets weakened over time for fun. We know the name hax lasts for at least a million years but let’s highball your take and say it will completely fall apart and fail after a million years. Iko was sealed for, let’s say … 10,000 years to help you out. Another highball, I know. But you need the help.

10,000/1,000,000 = 0.01 or 1%

That means that the name hax was operating at 99% of its peak efficiency at worst. Seeing as we know it works on baseline SK tiers, Fragments Iko would have to surpass 99% of the SK’s power to break out and, since you need to be hilariously stronger to neg hax via reiatsu (at least x2 since that is the smallest numerical comparison made between Aizen (who does the negging) and the normal Captains (his victims)), Fragments Iko must be well in excess of the SK’s power to do so. Ergo, he is stronger than the shown feats of Ichibe’s hax to neg, thereby proving my stance of CFYOW Kenny > Fragments Iko > Ichibe > past Iko to be true … with your own argument.

Realistically, Iko was sealed 2,000-1,000 years ago which just makes your take even worse despite the leeway given to it.
Hasch said:
Any evidence nameless Ikko in he present is stronger than in the past, when he might have been defeated and then sealed?
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Who said anything about current nameless Iko? I said Fragments Iko who had reclaimed his name and is >>> name hax >>> past Iko (aka Named Iko). Seeing as he can break out via power when he couldn’t before, he has to be stronger. If you’re gonna strawman, don’t make it so obvious.
Hasch said:
Wrong, official =/= canon.
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While your words are true … you do know that the Databook is explicitly written as supplementary material to the manga right? That’s what we call canon.
Hasch said:
No, is said the point is for him to regain his old, full power, which he achieved, hence why the next step was Shikai, all his mental blocks are gone and he can hear Nozarashi.

Prove that all characters get exponentially stronger after every beating.
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Never said exponential either but **** it, challenge accepted. I guess we are just gonna ignore the series as a whole?
  • Orihime got injured by Numb Chandelier? Her soul became strong enough to manifest SSR.
  • Chad got injured by Hollows a bunch? His soul became so much stronger he could one shot Bulbous G who clapped him up seconds prior.
  • Human aka powerless Ichigo went from struggling to breath just from exiting his body because of the energy in the air (even the normal deceased souls don’t react this way) to eating a hit from Ururu that cratered a cliff side? ******** to very clearly small building level.
  • Basically everything Substitute Ichigo did tbh. Couldn’t pierce Acidwire’s scales? Got stronger and cut through them with ease later. Struggled with Grand Fisher who was playing around and nearly died? Sent that goober packing on his deathbed. Got stomped by 20% Renji and was gonna die? Got stronger and reversed the stomp.
  • Ichigo was 4th/3rd Seat level vs Ikkaku? Got healed and beat Renji who was one of the strongest Lieutenants.
  • Lieutenant level Ichigo is brought near death against Zaraki (where he blatantly wasn’t Captain level without the Old Man’s help). Proceeds to become Captain level while injured after no training and just woke up.
  • Ikkaku who was previously 3rd/2nd Seat level gets out of his hospital bed and ties with Iba who is said to be Captain level.
  • Lieutenant level Renji achieves Bankai after a day of training? Is now able to block attacks from base Byakuya where he thought it was impossible a few days prior.
  • Post-Bankai Training Ichigo who is still injured (Shintenshintai Training is so dangerous it will kill people by the third day) can force Byakuya to use Bankai where Renji needed Bankai to do so.
  • Ulq kills Dordoni fight Ichigo? Ichigo wakes up and can now match Rez Grimmjow with his Mask. Grimm >>> Luppi > Espada 7-10 > one armed Grimmjow > Visored Training Bankai.
  • Ichigo gets beat up by Grimmjow in their final fight and then Nnoitra and Deceived? Got healed and could fight a less held back base Ulq than the one who stomped his ass previously and was still = to 1st Mask at the time. Quite literally an above x10 boost.
  • One handed Kenny < Res Nnoitra? Bullies Cero Yammy > Espada 1-4 GRC > Espada 1-4 > Res Nnoitra. Another beyond x10 boost.
  • Momo (< bloodlusted Momo ~ Kira) was put in hospital by Aizen and then house arrest for months because she was loony? Sneaks her way into FKT where her Shikai was gonna put the Tres Bestias out of commission if not for Rez healing them. Said trio > FKT Matsumoto > SS Matsumoto ~ Kira
  • Ichigo dies to Ulq a second time? Comes back stronger than ever and treats Cero Yammy’s AP like trash.
  • Yammy fight Ichigo gets beat up a bit? Gets healed by Retsu and can now harm Aizen with his 2nd Mask. Aizen > Yammy’s CO (at least). Another x10 amp, crazy. Who woulda thought?
  • Once again powerless Human Ichigo for the entire Lost Agent Arc.
  • FB Bankai can’t pierce VSD Ayon Quilge’s Blut? Bro exhausts his spiritual energy in the Jail but can now scrap with and burn Yhwach’s arm after absorbing a tiny bit of Quilge’s reiatsu.
  • TB HoS getting shattered by the Almighty no diff? Got fixed by best girl and best villain and proceeds to tank it several times over.
Hasch said:
The one that half death base Zaraki tripped and just from flling had his helmet cracked, after that same ice negged Hoffnung.
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The ice that didn’t affect him, as we (or I guess the rest of us and not you) were told.
Hasch said:
Is very dumb to think that half death base Zaraki is stronger than his Bankai lol
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Again with trying to put words in my mouth. Go and quote where I said post Bankai Kenny > Bankai Kenny? I implied he is > Gerard fight Shikai Kenpachi with no eyepatch and using two hands.
Hasch said:
Didn't say more skilled, I said strongest in a sword fight, which he became worthy of by defeating her as told by Isane.
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Did you realise that all Shinigami fight with their swords besides the rare exception of (former) Kido Corps members and Yoruichi? Every fight is a sword fight ffs so conc ding that Retsu isn’t the strongest means you concede that she isn’t the strongest Shinigami in a sword fight.

Isane’s opinion matters why? She doesn’t know Retsu’s strength, she doesn’t know Kenny’s strength, she doesn’t know how their fight went down, she doesn’t have context and knowledge of the situation a thousand years ago, she doesn’t have access to the omniscient narrator statements from the Databooks. The fact that you are trying to use her biased thoughts of Unohana as a counter argument to the Databook speaks volumes of your cope, bias and lack of sunlight.
Hasch said:
Regardless of anything, Retsu defeated base Zaraki at 90% of his full power.
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Prove he was at 90% of his full power. I’ve already shown that he gets > x10 increases with his Zenkais so at best, she defeated 10% of his full power. Stop meatriding your waifu, give up, and accept that you are wrong bro.
 
Twisted_Little_Raven said:
No idea on it's specifics i just know he got corrupted for absorbing a hollow I was just referring to the threat of corruption
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Cap

Cfyow 1

"A Voll Stern Dich was a Quincy’s final form. As long as they had the Sklave Rai ability from their heiligenschein halo, they could decompose all the reishi around them and force the particles to submit to them. Even Hollow reishi, which was naturally poisonous to Quincies, could be fully decomposed and therefore absorbed by Quincies without harm"

The anime card double downs on this as well
 
That makes sense I'm only confused why he turned into a monster and why kisuke used that as proof hollow was poison to Quincy so what is it just the appearance and not actually corrupted?
 
Reio35 said:
Stop these rat arguments shes literally absorbing all the buildings in front and behind ichigo. Plus it literally makes 0 sense why she should wouldn't target him aswell.
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I don't see any buildings behind Ichigo targeted in this image. It would had been shown and their reaction to failing as well.
 
Sklave Rai ability is very much an indiscriminate absorption ability, but we see that some people can resist while others cannot.

this is first seen with quilge, when he uses it everything around him gets absorbed including orihime and chad start to lose pieces, but ichigo is not affected by this. So it is not strange that even tho candice is using it ichigo is immune/resistant to basically matter manipulation/absorption.
 
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