Black’s unique circumstances made his potential vastly superior to basically everyone not Broly and Gohan, and I’d personally argue that Black’s is greater than Broly considering he jumped a similar gap in vastly less time whilst maintaining his wits, but I don’t think very many would agree with me.
Cause Broly.
I'd prefer if we stopped this conversation if we aren't going to actually discuss evidence. Verse opponents don't care about effort put in or anything like that, theyre opponents, they try to downgrade the verse and vice versa. Let's stick to helpful discussions.
Wait, isn’t this also the thread that is the foundation for Omega’s speed upgrades for DBS? This should immediately warrant a change to anyone’s rating who has affected the Afterlife significantlySo, someone needs to do a crt to fix Majin Buu and Goku Z's tier, because they are not in the right tier.
The other world was accepted much larger than a normal Universe and should affect the Kaioshin realm which will be 3-A size
DB Toei Afterlife size change
Dragon Ball Toei Priority: 2/3 Very Basic Change In this calc made in 2020, the post itself was rejected due to Toei Heaven being rejected as Universe sized. The calc and math was approved, and now that we accept Toei Heaven as the size of a Universe, this should make the calc acceptable now...vsbattles.com
Yes, it will also affect the speed of the characters, I don't know why nobody has done anything about it so far.
Maybe that could be it lol
Dude, cmon, all this will do is get someone in here complaining about supporters crying bias. I wouldn't apply malice to any normal member except Clover, he's a fiend and a menace and he must be taken down for what he did in Orlando in 1999. Let's just respond to the potential downgrade with an upgrade in kind, not talking about this sorta stuff.
Fully agree to that. Throwing negativity around will only make people think less of DB fans.
Ignoring bias when there is an inherent bias present (whether positive or negative doesn’t really matter) is just as bad. I’d be lying to myself if I said I wasn’t biased for and against some things.
Maybe it’s their fault for not looking at why people are being “negative” and instead just choosing to generalize the whole fanbase?
I'm not saying ignore it, but talk about it in DMs. I know it's there, I've read the same threads you do, I know where most people's biases are, I have pattern recognition, I just don't say anything because it's not helpful.
Will keeping hush hush about it solve anything?
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No, but constantly talking about it will just make things worse and restart a discussion we've had 1000 times. I don't think anything will 'fix it' other than having consistently good arguements.
I prefer in to be honest. Also is the first at least needed? It makes it look bad.
Would that be wrong?
insert Armstrong speech here
The first one, but you don't need the "at least" in front of the higher for "in Super Saiyan".
I knew it.
all people that would scale to the kaioshin realm are already 2-C, so nothing is to change hereSo, someone needs to do a crt to fix Majin Buu and Goku Z's tier, because they are not in the right tier.
The other world was accepted much larger than a normal Universe and should affect the Kaioshin realm which will be 3-A size
DB Toei Afterlife size change
Dragon Ball Toei Priority: 2/3 Very Basic Change In this calc made in 2020, the post itself was rejected due to Toei Heaven being rejected as Universe sized. The calc and math was approved, and now that we accept Toei Heaven as the size of a Universe, this should make the calc acceptable now...
i prefer this one "At least High 4-C, at least higher in Super Saiyan, higher with Kamehameha, 4-B in Super Saiyan 2, far higher with Father-Son Kamehameha"
It should be higher in Super Saiyan, even higher with kamehameha I think. It looks more pretty.
The "at least" is because his Super Saiyan is At least Large Star level+.
Pre vegito ssj3 goku is 3B, post vegito is 2CWhy is SSJ3 Goku 3-B?
So I was looking at Toei Goku’s profile and in it, he has a 3-B key in his SSJ3 state from the movie Fusion Reborn. His justification is: Multi-Galaxy Level as a Super Saiyan 3 (Shook the Afterlife merely by transforming). But this doesn’t hold with our current accepted standards, does it...
Meanwhile Saitama being hard at solar system level at most.
Zeno fear to touch saitama verse guyz
I'm not sure about it being 5D but yes, via Super Poly they were able to merge 12 different dimensions (each shown to have their own stars, presumably universe) and explode, destroying all of them. And it was implied Judai and Yubel could survive it. Judai also permanently fused with Yubel and inherited all of their powers combined with his own.
I would assume it's because most 2-Cs tend to have more hax or better 2-C feats so most matches are just considered stomps...which I disagree with but I digress.
Our tier 2 standards are really dumb here tbh
I might be misremembering but wasn't it downgraded from 6U to 3U or something like two months back?I don’t see a lot of guys above 6U 2-C. Hax is probably true, and the only reason why GT Pan hasn’t stomped Hades or Seiya yet.
I see one GT Goku vs Sailor Moon matchup that didn’t get anywhere
In 2-C even if you have 1 universe space time of advantage you can one shot and stomp the oponentI don’t see a lot of guys above 6U 2-C. Hax is probably true, and the only reason why GT Pan hasn’t stomped Hades or Seiya yet
I see one GT Goku vs Sailor Moon matchup that didn’t get anywhere
Yes it was, 3 per macrocosm
Some changes made that 7, now it went back to 3
Do a vs thread with thr chars from both then
I would prefer the second one but not sure.
