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Super Saiyan God Multipler

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So the proposal is to make SSG at least >500x stronger than SSJ3 which is in turn >500x stronger than base via upscaling from Ultra SSJ?
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
So the proposal is to make SSG at least >500x stronger than SSJ3 which is in turn >500x stronger than base via upscaling from Ultra SSJ?
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Correct unless we accept Vados' fusion statement in which it would be
Vegito's then multiplier * 500x for his own SSJ2/3
 
AwkguyDB said:
Oh yeah lets lay this out we can go with three Multipliers here for SSJG

High Ball
(500x + 500x * 20) x (500x) = 10,000,000x Base Goku
Scaling Goku's metamor statement and Vados' potara fusion statement to Buu Saga/Pre Ritual Vegito and stack SSJ2 on him.

or

Mid Ball
500 x 500 = 250,000x Base Goku
Simply Vegito's Base scaling to SSJ3 Goku and stacking SSJ2 on top of his Base

or

Low Ball
50 x 500 = 25,000x Base Goku
Simply Super Vegito
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It's funny how SSG is now the biggest multiplier in canon, but it makes sense since the jump between regular SSJ forms and god forms are usually treated in the series as a monumental gap.
 
Mr.Cinos15 said:
It's funny how SSG is now the biggest multiplier in canon, but it makes sense since the jump between regular SSJ forms and god forms are usually treated in the series as a monumental gap.
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yeah they go from 4-B to 2-C with this lol that also says a lot about 2-C Z fighters 👀
 
omegabronic said:
SsjB is bigger
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From base to transformation, sure, but as an individual form multiplier, not really. Yeah Blue is stronger than God, but it's only 50x God, while God in turn is a 20,000x times or more increase from SSJ3.

SSJ Grade 1: 50x base

SSJ Grade 3: 10x Grade 2

SSG: ~20,000x SSJ3 (or more)

SSB: 50x God

SSBE: 20x Blue
 
Mr.Cinos15 said:
From base to transformation, sure, but as an individual form multiplier, not really. Yeah Blue is stronger than God, but it's only 50x God, while God in turn is a 20,000x times or more increase from SSJ3.

SSJ Grade 1: 50x base

SSJ Grade 3: 10x Grade 2

SSG: ~20,000x SSJ3 (or more)

SSB: 50x God

SSBE: 20x Blue
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BTW I think we can scale Pre RoSaT Base Gotenks to Majin Vegeta and SSJ Gotenks to SSJ3 Goku it was done in this thread and is apart of his PreROSAT Base description

That would give SSJ3 50x SSJ2

Probably make another CRT for it.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
So the proposal is to make SSG at least >500x stronger than SSJ3 which is in turn >500x stronger than base via upscaling from Ultra SSJ?
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Close but basically Vegito Base at that point in time >SSJ3 Goku

And SSJG would be stronger than Vegito ssj3

So

SSJG Goku > Pre Ritual Vegito SSJ3 > Vegito Base

SSJ3>SSJ Grade 3

And the reason fusion seems stronger during top and Vegito blue saga is because fusion’s multiplier is dependent on the strength of the users so

Pre ritual Saiyans strength multiplied < SSJG multiplier

Post Ritual Saiyans strength > SSJG Multiplier

Just to answer any hypothetical counters
 
Damage3245 said:
Err, why? You can't just say "by default", you need to give a reason and evidence.

EDIT: I took this to mean that you were saying that SSJ3 would be a 10x multiplier on SSJ2.
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Any thoughts now since the main arguments have been addressed?
 
Padaruyos said:
Why is it 2 instead of 1? Base Goku/Vegeta is 1.

And keep in mind that currently we treat the increase of SS2, SS3, and SSG as non-existent. That 2500x multiplier is just SS * SS instead of SSG * SS like it's supposed to be.
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Because these numbers are hypothetical and can be anything. Essentially, if we make these numbers small they could be anything under the multipliers but any larger number supersedes them significantly. Those variables are made by us to make them easily quantifiable but hold no real value by themselves.
 
TimmyTurnero said:
Because these numbers are hypothetical and can be anything. Essentially, if we make these numbers small they could be anything under the multipliers but any larger number supersedes them significantly. Those variables are made by us to make them easily quantifiable but hold no real value by themselves.
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I don't get this.

These are multipliers. Whether Base Goku starts with 1 or 1000 wouldn't change the difference between a direct multiplier and A+Bx100 fusion multiplier.
 
Padaruyos said:
I don't get this.

These are multipliers. Whether Base Goku starts with 1 or 1000 wouldn't change the difference between a direct multiplier and A+Bx100 fusion multiplier.
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I brought it up because you said Vados statement cannot exist and you gave a hypothetical scenario.
Either multiplier can work, including vados, depending on which numbers are used, that is my point. There is no contradiction with it so we should just stick with Vados interpretation.
 
I'm against using a multiplier for SSG cuz it's very unclear and I imagine the writers didn't really have in mind what tier Goku was when he became SSG, like whether they were using Toei logic and he was already 3-B or 2-C. As for the UIO multiplier, there's a crunchyroll quiz that states UIO increases the user's power x2-3 of the previous transformation.
 
CiscoTheSoto said:
I'm against using a multiplier for SSG cuz it's very unclear and I imagine the writers didn't really have in mind what tier Goku was when he became SSG, like whether they were using Toei logic and he was already 3-B or 2-C. As for the UIO multiplier, there's a crunchyroll quiz that states UIO increases the user's power x2-3 of the previous transformation.
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The multiplier we use for SSJ2 and 3 are unclear and are based on Grade 3 which is objectively inferior to both.

also... crunchyroll....lol
 
CiscoTheSoto said:
I'm against using a multiplier for SSG cuz it's very unclear and I imagine the writers didn't really have in mind what tier Goku was when he became SSG, like whether they were using Toei logic and he was already 3-B or 2-C. As for the UIO multiplier, there's a crunchyroll quiz that states UIO increases the user's power x2-3 of the previous transformation.
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It’s not a set multiplier it’s just to upscale like what we do for SSJB so this can’t be used to downscale
 
I just wanna mention someone getting tens of times stronger from your POV doesn’t mean that’s how the actual formula works it’s just the increase in power they got

Why are people trying to times it by 20

SSJ3 x SSJ3 from SSJG Goku>Vegito SSJ3>Vegito Base>SSJ3 Goku

is way better for the lowball
 
We honestly just need staff to decide between the High Ball and the Mid Ball or even the low ball if nothing else but that's where we are
 
AwkguyDB said:
We honestly just need staff to decide between the High Ball and the Mid Ball or even the low ball if nothing else but that's where we are
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Just use SSJ3 x SSJ3 it’s the most accurate one adding 20x is just head canon and isn’t even implied by Vados
TheGodOfICE777 said:
I just wanna mention someone getting tens of times stronger from your POV doesn’t mean that’s how the actual formula works it’s just the increase in power they got

Why are people trying to times it by 20

SSJ3 x SSJ3 from SSJG Goku>Vegito SSJ3>Vegito Base>SSJ3 Goku

is way better for the lowball
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TheGodOfICE777 said:
I just wanna mention someone getting tens of times stronger from your POV doesn’t mean that’s how the actual formula works it’s just the increase in power they got

Why are people trying to times it by 20

SSJ3 x SSJ3 from SSJG Goku>Vegito SSJ3>Vegito Base>SSJ3 Goku

is way better for the lowball
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omegabronic said:
it is exactly what it is implied by vados, what do you think "tens of times" means?
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One of the rare times I’m arguing against a higher db upgrade
 
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