Celestialsapiens HDE needs a revision

[TheGreatJedi13]

Contumelia are 5D beings who made the Annihilarrgh. To protect themselves from the upcoming release of energy ,they made a barrier which they deem extradimensional. Since the barrier is extradimensional to 5D beings ,it should be atleast 6D, possibly higher in dimensionality.

Why do we assume when they said it is extradimensional it is suddenly more dimensional than themselves?
They themselves claimed that higher dimensional form cannot be perceived yet they managed to perceive their extradimensional barrier as Extradimensional more than them. You're stepping with the idea that they say extradimensional means more dimension than them when they are possibly explaining it to a lower dimensional being that it is an extradimensional field thus more dimension than them who they are talking to and not to them whom who created it.
the argument already falls from here

 

[Reiner04]

Why do we assume when they said it is extradimensional it is suddenly more dimensional than themselves?
They themselves claimed that higher dimensional form cannot be perceived yet they managed to perceive their extradimensional barrier as Extradimensional more than them. You're stepping with the idea that they say extradimensional means more dimension than them when they are possibly explaining it to a lower dimensional being that it is an extradimensional field thus more dimension than them who they are talking to and not to them whom who created it.
the argument already falls from here

... You'll be percieving higher Dimensional in ben 10 as whatever specific to that dimensional being tho.

Naljians being higher Dimensional yet not working same as Contumelias is the clear cut example of that, so they can percieve Contumelias as what most sway in their heart was specific to just Contumelias.

 

[Aachintya31]

Why do we assume when they said it is extradimensional it is suddenly more dimensional than themselves?
They themselves claimed that higher dimensional form cannot be perceived yet they managed to perceive their extradimensional barrier as Extradimensional more than them. You're stepping with the idea that they say extradimensional means more dimension than them when they are possibly explaining it to a lower dimensional being that it is an extradimensional field thus more dimension than them who they are talking to and not to them whom who created it.
the argument already falls from here

If the barrier was 4D as you claim ,how would it protect 5D beings ?? Also Naljians Exists which are higher dimensional yet their real forms can be perceived. This isn't a verse mechanic, the unique ability of contumelia grants them perception manipulation.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

... You'll be percieving higher Dimensional in ben 10 as whatever specific to that dimensional being tho.

Naljians being higher Dimensional yet not working same as Contumelias is the clear cut example of that, so they can percieve Contumelias as what most sway in their heart was specific to just Contumelias.

true but doesn't discredit that fact why we assume suddenly that the barrier is extradimensional than them.
You can make a barrier more durable than yourself to protect yourself from harming yourself without it being extradimensional.
then the idea that celestial sapiens cutting through the barrier makes them 6D also doesn't make sense if the Contumelia created a 6D barrier by just being 5D themselves and having no material of 6D to create it in the first place.

If the barrier was 4D as you claim ,how would it protect 5D beings ?? Also Naljians Exists which are higher dimensional yet their real forms can be perceived. This isn't a verse mechanic, the unique ability of contumelia grants them perception manipulation.

I never claimed it as 4D. I disagreed with it being a reason for Celestialsapien as 6D for cutting through it
at best it should be 5D as celestialsapien doesn't need to be 6D to cut something 5D and the fact that it also struggled means it is 5D at best

 

[Aachintya31]

Also when Ben asked the contumelias to do something ,they replied "It's impossible to turn off or breach it". It logically makes no sense if the barrier was 4D , 5D beings can't breach it.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Also when Ben asked the contumelias to do something ,they replied "It's impossible to turn off or breach it". It logically makes no sense if the barrier was 4D , 5D beings can't breach it.

A 5D being can make a 5D barrier it cannot turn off because it is durable and stronger than them but without it needing to be higher dimensional.
You don't need your walls to be higher dimensional than yourselves to protect you from the dangers of the open world

 

[Aachintya31]

true but doesn't discredit that fact why we assume suddenly that the barrier is extradimensional than them.

a 2D being using the extradimension means Atleast 3D
a 3D being using the term extradimension means Atleast 4D
a 5D being using the term extradimension means Atleast 6D

A 5D being can make a 5D barrier it cannot turn off because it is durable and stronger than them but without it needing to be higher dimensional.
You don't need your walls to be higher dimensional than yourselves to protect you from the dangers of the open world

i wouldn't use the term Extradimensional for the wall. So false equivalence. The use of the term Extradimensional by 5D beings makes it 6D.

at best it should be 5D

A barrier extradimensional to 3D beings is 4D since we Lowball it to the minimum.
It's far logical to say that word "Extradimensional" was in reference to themselves.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

a 2D being using the extradimension means Atleast 3D
a 3D being using the term extradimension means Atleast 4D
a 5D being using the term extradimension means Atleast 6D

again they are explaining it to lower-dimensional beings not to themselves. extradimensional can mean 4-infinite dimension
but since we know annihilargh is capable of destroying a 5D realm then the barrier would be 5D

i wouldn't use the term Extradimensional for the wall. So false equivalence. The use of the term Extradimensional by 5D beings makes it 6D.

when you're talking to a 2dimensional entity who doesn't comprehend a wall as it is 3dimensional

would you for accuracy say it is extradimensional or would you say it is a wall?

 

[Aachintya31]

but since we know annihilargh is capable of destroying a 5D realm then the barrier would be 5D

5D possibly 6D. Though it doesn't matter here.

again they are explaining it to lower-dimensional beings not to themselves. extradimensional can mean 4-infinite dimension

when you're talking to a 2dimensional entity who doesn't comprehend a wall as it is 3dimensional

would you for accuracy say it is extradimensional or would you say it is a wall?

Makes no sense. Extradimensional to 3D beings is 4D.

 

[Reiner04]

A 5D being can make a 5D barrier it cannot turn off because it is durable and stronger than them but without it needing to be higher dimensional.
You don't need your walls to be higher dimensional than yourselves to protect you from the dangers of the open world

Uh, the bigbang that is being hold in the barrier can create 5D possibly 6D structure as per accepted Cosmology. So we are fine with whatever of 2 tbh, 6D is not what anyone forcing.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Since we're going in circles here and this really just goes to interpretations
Put me on disagree for 6D
Agree on 5D
and i don't see any other things that would convince me that the barrier is 6D other than personal assumptions

As for naljians
I ain't touching that

 

[ShionAH]

So now a 5D AP+Range is not enoogh to touch a 5D object, while 5D HDE is enough? Non sense.

If this gets accepted I will give HDE to a lot of stuff lol

 

[Reiner04]

Since we're going in circles here and this really just goes to interpretations
Put me on disagree for 6D
Agree on 5D
and i don't see any other things that would convince me that the barrier is 6D other than personal assumptions

As for naljians
I ain't touching that

Fair enough.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

So now a 5D AP+Range is not enoogh to touch a 5D object, while 5D HDE is enough? Non sense.

If this gets accepted I will give HDE to a lot of stuff lol

5D AP is affecting/destroying a 5D structure (Universal or infinite size in all axis)
There is no structure being affected here
5D range is simply having enough range to affect at that level

 

[ShionAH]

5D AP is affecting/destroying a 5D structure (Universal or infinite size in all axis)
There is no structure being affected here
5D range is simply having enough range to affect at that level

How is this HDE still? Cutting a 5D barrier is not HDE

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

How is this HDE still? Cutting a 5D barrier is not HDE

True it could be hax and such but what is true is that it negated the pseudo-invulnerability from being higher dimensional.
Now we dont have higher dimensional existence negation.
So either 2 is that it is HDE
Or it is AP if we scale the durability of barrier to annihilarg which is 5D AP potency.

It could be AP tbh at this point. Which is uh yeah

 

[Deidalius]

I disagree with the OP FRA.

 

[ShionAH]

True it could be hax and such but what is true is that it negated the pseudo-invulnerability from being higher dimensional.
Now we dont have higher dimensional existence negation.
So either 2 is that it is HDE
Or it is AP if we scale the durability of barrier to annihilarg which is 5D AP potency.

It could be AP tbh at this point. Which is uh yeah

Planck disagreed with the CRT on discord too but since he has exams he cannot discuss it so we should wait for him even if someone accepts this

 

[ShionAH]

Agree : @Spectral69420 ,@LuffyRuffy46307 ,@TheShape03 ,@Artorimachi_Meteoraft, @Greenshifter ,@TheGreatJedi13 (with 5D)
Disagree : @ShionAH
Neutral :

Add the disagreements (Theres a lot more like @Barbar01 @RaveeCPN etc)

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

I'll reevaluate later. The temperature in my area is ridiculous it is hindering my thoughts.
If i don't return my last argument/agreement (5D HDE) still stands

 

[Reiner04]

Planck disagreed with the CRT on discord too but since he has exams he cannot discuss it so we should wait for him even if someone accepts this

He never disagreed with the crt?

 

[ShionAH]

He never disagreed with the crt?

He did. Saying “Cutting through a 5D barrier is not HDE its Range or AP” is disagreement.

 

[Aachintya31]

Planck disagreed with the CRT on discord too but since he has exams he cannot discuss it so we should wait for him even if someone accepts this

You Strawmanned the argument saying Touching Higher dimensional grants HDE.

He did. Saying “Cutting through a 5D barrier is not HDE its Range or AP” is disagreement.

No he didn't. Anyways If he wants, he can argue here. Discord conversation are always null and void here

 

[Reiner04]

You Strawmanned the argument saying Touching Higher dimensional grants HDE.

This, he didn't even opened the thread and just replied to single question I asked.

 

[ShionAH]

You Strawmanned the argument saying Touching Higher dimensional grants HDE.

“The logic is that you need 5D power to cut 5D things, since it was done via physical interaction then it must mean that the body is 5D.”

And planck then calls this logic dumb. Cope

 

[Reiner04]

“The logic is that you need 5D power to cut 5D things, since it was done via physical interaction then it must mean that the body is 5D.”

In a random convo with 7 members saying stuff, he called dumb to specific point which is nothing more than implication in the thread than being the actual basis. That's why you need to read threads to actually say anything about it. He himself don't even want to be mentioned in the thread unless present himself, so this convo is kinda derailing tbh.

 

[ShionAH]

In a random convo with 7 members saying stuff, he called dumb to specific point which is nothing more than implication in the thread than being the actual basis. That's why you need to read threads to actually say anything about it. He himself don't even want to be mentioned in the thread unless present himself, so this convo is kinda derailing tbh.

Alright then.

 

[Greenshifter]

Agree : @Spectral69420 ,@LuffyRuffy46307 ,@TheShape03 ,@Artorimachi_Meteoraft, @Greenshifter

'xcuse me?

The plane of reality refers to 4D spacetime

For this argument alone I ought to smite this thread.

 

[Aachintya31]

'xcuse me?

i removed you though your existence doesn't matter . btw It was reiner who said it .

 

[Robo432343]

i removed you though your existence doesn't matter . btw It was reiner who said it .

taking this to rvr

 

[ShionAH]

@Barbar01 @Dragonite007 Also disagreed

 

[ShionAH]

@TheShape03 @Robo also did I believe

 

[Robo432343]

i agree with range upgrade brah

 

[ShionAH]

i agree with range upgrade brah

Yes. So you disagree with HDE

 

[Robo432343]

Yes. So you disagree with HDE

neutral on that

 

[ShionAH]

neutral on that

How can you agree with range but be neutral on HDE? If range is accepted then HDE is declined

 

[Robo432343]

How can you agree with range but be neutral on HDE? If range is accepted then HDE is declined

coz it can be both a range and HDE upgrade

 

[ShionAH]

coz it can be both a range and HDE upgrade

If its range that means HDE arguements make no sense since they assume this is not range but HDE, I am out though because I gotta focus on my wanks not on other peoples wanks

 

[Greenshifter]

btw It was reiner who said it .

taking this to rvr

I'm sensing a pattern here

 

[Aachintya31]

I am out though because I gotta focus on my wanks not on other peoples wanks

bruh.

f its range that means HDE arguements make no sense since they assume this is not range but HDE

i'll wait for 1-2 days for some staff. otherwise **** this Shit i don't care for a verse with passive 7A AP.