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Little sister, do you have proof that there are infinite universes in Saint Seiya or infinite timelines?
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Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)
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Yeah we do for G at least.
Lost Canvas too, maybe Sho. We need to examine the raws for the conversation between Shaka and Dysnomia.
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LC, G, DW, and Sho
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Dark wings has that, and I’m pretty sure it’s in the same multiverse as the classic, and G also has that
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Nothing in this franchise is 2-A, because no one is affecting the multiverse, they only affect one universe (the universe where their story takes place).
That's right, Episode.G mentions the multiverse, with this story being the main story that mentions the existence of an infinite multiverse.
TLC does not, it only has a vague allusion to the multiverse, with only one character mentioning the existence of parallel worlds, and Saintia Sho has a clear mention of other universes and the multiverse, but no mention of infinity. The other series that clearly mentions the multiverse is Dark Wing and has a mention of the existence of infinite universes/worlds.
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It seems to make sense, about Chronos scaling from ND and other characters I noticed that they are using multipliers to level up characters and that is not accepted here.
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That's why we have to review the whole scale of the franchise, because ND's Chronos is not at that level by any means. As I said, no character in this franchise is on that level, because they all only affect the world where the story takes place.
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I don't think that's possible since per Assassin where Okada adapted a lot of Next Dimension elements, Hourglass portal Chronos seems to be one of them (Shura mentions using him to get to the future). Hourglass Chronos is a much different character from Titan Kronos who's stuck in Tartaro
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In theory, if a character could be argued to embody the multiverse, they would be at that level right?
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If the cosmology is 2-A, then Uranus, and by the extension the Primordials would scale, considering they are stated to be the root of all existence and the gods of creation who were said to have made everything.
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Cronus being stuck in Tartarus doesn't seem to hinder the usage of his power or even authority, considering, like you said, they stated they used his power to travel in time. Afaik, the Kanji for the name is the same.
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Strangely enough, abzu is also a primordial who is said to be the root of everything
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were not using multipliers...
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I think the 2-A Abzu was upgrade was rejected last time because Omega works off MWI. Which is an issue G doesn't really have.
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No, it is only part of their universe, no one scales to the multiverse, because no one affects this, even the primordials only interact with the multiverse with a bfr to send the Saints to other worlds and this is basically it, just travel to other dimensions.
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Fair enough, I think the fact the UW has souls from other worlds might be worth looking into for the Toei stuff tho.
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All I see here is cope. We have a very blatant statement that says the Primordials made all of existence.
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Only the universe, that's why it is mentioned that the whole universe belongs to them, they never mention more than that. And as I already explained their only interaction with the multiverse is when Uranus sent the Saints to other worlds.
This was only due to the distortion in space and time created by Aiolios, which he uses to travel and bring souls from other places, we can even see how one of these portals was in the Underworld.
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"All of existence" sounds like way more than a single universe chief.
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oh I was talking about omega
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The mention of Omega is just a reference to the world of the dead being another dimension and they are not really talking about the Underworld, but the Yomotsu Hirakasa, the place where the Cancer Saint sent Yuna and Koga with his technique.
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It is only a reference to the universe, to the existence that surrounds them, not to other worlds, if it were the multiverse, Okada would have simply mentioned all the universes or the multiverse, being one of the few authors that actually uses this word, but he never mentions that in that scene. You can even see how everything that happened in that world does not interfere with other worlds and only affects this one exclusively. The only mention of these gods interfering with other worlds is the fact that they sent Ikki, Shiryu and the other Saints to other worlds to eliminate them from this world and invade it without their intervention.
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You're literally arguing with the manga at this point. Uranus stating the universe belongs to them doesn't change the statement that they created all of existence. This was stated by Steropes, a god who was in touch with Pontos who has traveled the multiverse. If it was a single universe why would he say all of existence?
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No, they are not traveling the multiverse, it only mentions Uranus making this and literally everything these gods do only affects the world where the story takes place and no other world. Even Pontos only mentions how the universe belongs to these gods, it never mentions other universes in that scene.
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Pontos traveled to and from Lost World, in case you forgot.
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He never traveled to another world, the only one who traveled was Aiolos, who was absorbed by the portal in space and time that he created and this sent him to another world, where he arrived in the black sea.
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Ladies and gentlemen, spoilers for the chapter 103 of Next Dimension are now available.
Final Prequel Series (Part One) (Total 8 chapters)
Part 103: Protect Athena
"Hearing Odysseus' warning, Tenma heads to Sasha's side.
At that moment, Odysseus is replaced by Asclepius, who sends Tenma flying into another dimension.
Thanks to Odysseus' intervention, he lands on the outskirts of the village of Firantzo, thus heading to Sasha's house.
Hades' army led by Giulietta has already arrived at Sasha's house. However, the foot soldiers cannot approach Sasha's grandiose goddess cosmo.
For that reason, Giulietta destroys Sasha's house but Sasha and her bed remain immune.
Giulietta tries to touch Sasha directly, but at that moment Tenma arrives on the scene.
To be continued..."
Final Prequel Series (Part One) (Total 8 chapters)
Part 103: Protect Athena
"Hearing Odysseus' warning, Tenma heads to Sasha's side.
At that moment, Odysseus is replaced by Asclepius, who sends Tenma flying into another dimension.
Thanks to Odysseus' intervention, he lands on the outskirts of the village of Firantzo, thus heading to Sasha's house.
Hades' army led by Giulietta has already arrived at Sasha's house. However, the foot soldiers cannot approach Sasha's grandiose goddess cosmo.
For that reason, Giulietta destroys Sasha's house but Sasha and her bed remain immune.
Giulietta tries to touch Sasha directly, but at that moment Tenma arrives on the scene.
To be continued..."
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... What? The Black Sea filled him.
Like what?
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the black sea bursted out from a portal that looks similar to the portal that Aiolios is shown using much later*
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Right Pontos came to him, that's the idea I got from the scene
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No, Aiolos created the portal by sacrificing Athena and then we see how he travels to another world through this portal, where he appeared in the Aegean Sea (Black Sea). Even the portal is created from the dark wings that appeared behind Aiolos after killing Athena.
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Kurumada be original and stop nostalgia baiting challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
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By the way it's interesting how they name this as a prequel, something that could confirm that ND is just a prequel to something bigger or they only refer to this as a prequel because it's the prequel to the last season of ND, because it seems that Akita Shoten decided to split this last season into two parts (I hope the next part will be released at the end of this year).
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In all seriousness i think Kurumada should stop at this point.. He has injured hands, hes getting old (he should be focused on his health and living the best life imo), he has redundantly stated he has issues with burnout with the series, and the long gaps between volumes.
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In the commentary of the last volume of Next Dimension, he commented that he still feels as young as in his best days.
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i have doubts on that but perhaps its not as serious as he made it out due to advances in modern medicine. Then again could be hes forced to say it due to contractoral issues or perhaps he is using a type of ghost/shadow writing
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Talking about the health of the mangakas of this franchise, Kuori commented in her blog that she has not published new chapters of Saintia Sho, since she had covid and this caused an old persistent health problem to become complicated, so she had to undergo surgery, although she is already well and even shared a photo of the flowers that Kurumada sent her, so she hopes to return to publish new chapters this year.
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What're chances of Next Dimension getting an Anime
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What multipliers?
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