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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18
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I don't even get why canonicity was ever a debate. Just because other verses choose to have disconnected universes doesn't mean that's what Hori did.
Horikoshi has kept everything connected since day 1. Specifically everything he personally worked on (manga, movies). Horikoshi has also confirmed himself that he was in the writing room for both Two Heroes and Heroes Rising. For Heroes Rising his involvement was even greater from beginning to en.
And frankly, in the traditional definition of canon, the movies are more canon than even Vigilantes for that matter. There's a reason movie characters are appearing constantly but not Vigilantes characters.
1. Hori created all the movie characters including bummers like Wolfram.
2. In Volume R interview he confirms working on the movie 1 script and putting even more energy into movie 2. It's only movie 3 where don't have full confirmation of his involvement.
On the other hand, Vigilantes is written by different authors. All Vigilantes original characters are created by those authors, NOT Hori. This is one of the reasons I don't think Koichi or CC will ever appear in the main manga. They were NOT created by Hori.
Hori only supervised Vigilantes, he didn't write it. And one of the volume comments was how surprised he was reading some Vigs scenes in that volume so he is as much a reader as the rest of us.
He isn't part of the Vigs script writing process and apart from the outlines he doesn't actually write anything for Vigs. That's why early on we had so many of the main series characters appearing so OOC in Vigs.
Horikoshi has kept everything connected since day 1. Specifically everything he personally worked on (manga, movies). Horikoshi has also confirmed himself that he was in the writing room for both Two Heroes and Heroes Rising. For Heroes Rising his involvement was even greater from beginning to en.
And frankly, in the traditional definition of canon, the movies are more canon than even Vigilantes for that matter. There's a reason movie characters are appearing constantly but not Vigilantes characters.
1. Hori created all the movie characters including bummers like Wolfram.
2. In Volume R interview he confirms working on the movie 1 script and putting even more energy into movie 2. It's only movie 3 where don't have full confirmation of his involvement.
On the other hand, Vigilantes is written by different authors. All Vigilantes original characters are created by those authors, NOT Hori. This is one of the reasons I don't think Koichi or CC will ever appear in the main manga. They were NOT created by Hori.
Hori only supervised Vigilantes, he didn't write it. And one of the volume comments was how surprised he was reading some Vigs scenes in that volume so he is as much a reader as the rest of us.
He isn't part of the Vigs script writing process and apart from the outlines he doesn't actually write anything for Vigs. That's why early on we had so many of the main series characters appearing so OOC in Vigs.
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Yeah, Shinsou says Machia is the 2nd person after Midoriya to resist his mind control.
Bruh
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Oh don't remind me. I'll never forgive Vigs for making Endeavor, who is known to be incredibly competent, level headed and constantly works to solve cases with the police an impatient, rash and unnecessarily angry idiot that goes against their orders.
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Really, the only reason why the canonicity of the movies are questioned is because nobody ever talks about the events of those movies in the manga. The spinoff manga counts as well.
Even if there are mentions, they are so miniscule to the point that it's extremely easy to forget about them. These movies might as well not exist and the story will not change.
That doesn't mean they are not canon, just that the movies are inconsequential and have little presence in the main continuity, despite technically not contradicting and fitting into the continuity itself. There's also Hori to thank for creating mini-timeskips to fit those movies in timeline-wise.
The most direct movie reference is Star and Stripe being an unnamed character All Might saved in the Two Heroes movies. The second being the slight mention of a mission Garaki gave to the LOV which connects to Nine in Heroes: Rising. AFAIK the only thing that connects the third movie to the main continuity is a one-shot extra chapter.
Of course, the real concern here is that the movies consistently have better feats than the manga, setting aside Star and Stripe feats and Nagant feats. Many of the feats that are cornerstones for the current AP scaling rely on the movies, like Deku's bullet dodging and steel pillar breaking feats, Bakugo's Explosions in general, and the Nine storm feat.
Note that I am not debating the canonicity of the movies at all in any of these comments, but I'm pointing out that there are valid reasons as of why some people do not easily acknowledge them as canon or outright question it.
Even if there are mentions, they are so miniscule to the point that it's extremely easy to forget about them. These movies might as well not exist and the story will not change.
That doesn't mean they are not canon, just that the movies are inconsequential and have little presence in the main continuity, despite technically not contradicting and fitting into the continuity itself. There's also Hori to thank for creating mini-timeskips to fit those movies in timeline-wise.
The most direct movie reference is Star and Stripe being an unnamed character All Might saved in the Two Heroes movies. The second being the slight mention of a mission Garaki gave to the LOV which connects to Nine in Heroes: Rising. AFAIK the only thing that connects the third movie to the main continuity is a one-shot extra chapter.
Of course, the real concern here is that the movies consistently have better feats than the manga, setting aside Star and Stripe feats and Nagant feats. Many of the feats that are cornerstones for the current AP scaling rely on the movies, like Deku's bullet dodging and steel pillar breaking feats, Bakugo's Explosions in general, and the Nine storm feat.
Note that I am not debating the canonicity of the movies at all in any of these comments, but I'm pointing out that there are valid reasons as of why some people do not easily acknowledge them as canon or outright question it.
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Kirishima reacted to an attack from All For One and blocked it, he now scales to Sub-Relativistic
Also has Prime All Might level durability
Also has Prime All Might level durability
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Also Mt. Lady would scale too since she's defending Machia from AFO's blasts
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Speed of sound, take it or leave it
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Has AFO tagged anyone meaningfully with these blasts for them to be Sub-Rel?
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He tagged Dark Shadow Tokoyami with an energy attack, who can keep up with Endeavor
Not sure if it was the same quirk or not
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I don't think that can be used to scale anything since Tokoyami was actively pressing him into the ground. AFO couldn't miss eitherway.
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Question to you guys who’ve seen the leaks. Does AFO use any new abilities in this week’s chapter?
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what would her quirk be?
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He used a nameless Quirk to wake up Machia, which left him burned/bruised.
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Likely some form of energy manipulation
what would her quirk be?
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It’s mordred btw as deku.
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I'm interested in doing it, though with a different way to find the timeframe.
I also think there's a similar feat but on a smaller scale in the first few chapters of the manga, so I will check.
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Machia is bloody massive, even though I'm eyeballing he looks bigger than ever. There's a fully visible tree in his hand, and it's tiny compared to him. Must be one small tree.
Everyone just continues to go ham onto All For One. I'd say one of the bigger moments in his chapter is Machia and All For One.
Machia is angry at being abandoned by AFO back at Jaku, he knew that was AFO and not Shigaraki based on their "smell". Machia's loyalty isn't like a Nomu, he hasn't been modified and just follows AFO of his own free will. Because of that he was hurt when he betrayed his trust and abandoned him.
An interesting take, Machia is attacking AFO of his own free will, driven by his intense rage. I wonder if he'd follow Shigaraki or not? Also while Kirishima did protect Shinso from that attack, it was mostly for Machia and the small area means he wasn't hit by the majority of that energy. So his durability does not scale.
Those his speed would, since he reacted to it. Though I think someone yelled out to Kirishima before AFO launched his attack.
Machia has very limited resistance to Brainwashing like Izuku. Also looks like Dark Shadow is indeed bigger than Machia.
I was right? The choppers were news reporters, reacting to La Brava's livestream of the battle. We see a little panel of Izuku fighting Shigaraki and yeah they're just wrecking that city completely. Izuku seems to be restraining/grabbing both of Shigaraki's wrist, and Shiggy looks like he's having the time of his life.
Final shot is of multiple characters around the world. Melissa, Mahoro, Katsuma, and Rody's younger siblings. Surprised Rody himself wasn't in the shot.
There is still so much to go through. Where Kurogiri sent Aizawa and Present Mic, how Endeavor vs Dabi is going, where All Might is going, Izuku vs Shigaraki, the status of characters like Bakugo, and possibly Aoyama who was fighting one of the assassins.
Everyone just continues to go ham onto All For One. I'd say one of the bigger moments in his chapter is Machia and All For One.
Machia is angry at being abandoned by AFO back at Jaku, he knew that was AFO and not Shigaraki based on their "smell". Machia's loyalty isn't like a Nomu, he hasn't been modified and just follows AFO of his own free will. Because of that he was hurt when he betrayed his trust and abandoned him.
An interesting take, Machia is attacking AFO of his own free will, driven by his intense rage. I wonder if he'd follow Shigaraki or not? Also while Kirishima did protect Shinso from that attack, it was mostly for Machia and the small area means he wasn't hit by the majority of that energy. So his durability does not scale.
Those his speed would, since he reacted to it. Though I think someone yelled out to Kirishima before AFO launched his attack.
Machia has very limited resistance to Brainwashing like Izuku. Also looks like Dark Shadow is indeed bigger than Machia.
I was right? The choppers were news reporters, reacting to La Brava's livestream of the battle. We see a little panel of Izuku fighting Shigaraki and yeah they're just wrecking that city completely. Izuku seems to be restraining/grabbing both of Shigaraki's wrist, and Shiggy looks like he's having the time of his life.
Final shot is of multiple characters around the world. Melissa, Mahoro, Katsuma, and Rody's younger siblings. Surprised Rody himself wasn't in the shot.
There is still so much to go through. Where Kurogiri sent Aizawa and Present Mic, how Endeavor vs Dabi is going, where All Might is going, Izuku vs Shigaraki, the status of characters like Bakugo, and possibly Aoyama who was fighting one of the assassins.
Smaller chapter, mostly just a way to set up for future chapters. Still interesting to watch and I'm curious if that scene means anything more. Due to personal reasons I'm not as available as normal yet, but just wanted to comment on the chapter since I had the free time.
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Deku against Dabi said his arms AND legs “were done”, where’s the proof it didn’t break?
”Visually less powerful” never makes any sense.
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His legs WERE injured though, as he later states.
Also, his RIGHT arm never got blackwhipped yet he used it the most times, with his three flyby hits.
Why would his legs “instantly shatter”? His legs are stronger than his arms which are already more fragile yet he could still use them for a time + the Doctor giving us retrospective information after the fight.
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Am I the only one lowkey annoyed with how Hori is edging us with the panels of Deku and Shigaraki
Like bro just switch to the fight
please I beg
Like bro just switch to the fight
please I beg
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Saying “X feat must not be 100% because it’s visually less powerful than X feat which was 100%” is silly because then Deku’s “120% Overdrive Smash” must be weaker than his 20% kick against Nine because it was “VISUALLY less powerful”
Hell, any Overdrive scene must be weaker than 20% based off that. Overdrive doesn’t even tickle the grass on the ground with the shockwaves.
Hell, any Overdrive scene must be weaker than 20% based off that. Overdrive doesn’t even tickle the grass on the ground with the shockwaves.
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Any Dragon Ball fan would crucify someone who said this.
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It's okay, I'm sure they will have several chapters focusing mostly on their fight.Am I the only one lowkey annoyed with how Hori is edging us with the panels of Deku and Shigaraki
Like bro just switch to the fight
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Deku used 100% on his legs on this scene, as St. Louis Smash is a Shoot Style kick.
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NGL, movie feats will always be visually more impressive than manga feats.
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He was also 100% when he first kicked Shigaraki, and was using them to negate the blowback from his attacks as Bakugo said.
Nothing states or implies the first kick was 45%. Deku immediately says “looks like he’s adapting to my 100% hits and tanking the damage”, why would he say this after hitting him with apparently only 45%?
Why would Shigaraki be blitzed by someone HALF his speed and strength?
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I wouldn't use that translation for your argument, there's a reason why Shigaraki doesn't have Adaptation in his profile even though Deku clearly says he's adapting to his hits in that panel (aside from the fact that he wasn't really adapting to anything by the next chapter).
And the reason is that "adapting" wasn't really mentioned anywhere in the original Japanese scans, and Deku was talking about how Shigaraki can endure his 100%, there's no mention of "it looks like", which would imply he was referring to that kick, but as I said, no mention of it.
Yet still, Deku confirms that "my left arm, with those last two hits at 100%, is utterly broken", the key words implying that this kick wasn't really at 100%, as Deku is referring to his Wyoming Smash and an unnamed 100% smash.
If there was a third 100% attack, he would say "those last three hits", and it would not just break his left arm.
I'm not sure what you mean by getting blitzed, Shigaraki reacted to Deku approaching him right in front of his face, Deku was just the better fighter and landed a kick while Shigaraki couldn't even touch him.
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Not good, My Hero Academia Low Tiers are so fast now that even feats like this are palling in comparison to their current ratings.
I will try to find exactly how long does a nitroglycerin explosion last, they burn up in an instant.
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Big OOF, I could try and find some things in the earlier chapters,
Also you gonna look at this from Rusty
even just the lower end is a supporting feat
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I'm not sure, that cape was definitely not frozen in place (cape moving>>>>Blackwhip speed? I doubt so).
Bruh
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makes sense
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Once people started scaling everything up. The scaling on here that used to make sense just fell apart. Nowadays, you just know it's mostly all bullshit and pretty much most things on here don't line up at all with actual events in the manga.
But there was a time when at least the MHA scaling (not other verses) lined up with the manga scaling. But now, smh.
Personally, I'm only here for the fun discussions nowadays. Not the scaling.
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Because authors aren't generally good at powerscaling.
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