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Well, speaking in a more general sense, it depends on if something is flowery language hyperbole.
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Dragonball Cosmology Revision: Part 3
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Uh yes. That's also.
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Here I think we can agree the macrocosm isn’t a bubble with a galaxy inside of it and we can trust the guides that there’s 4 quadrants
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Only staff that has really commented for the infinite universe stuff is Fire and he agrees as he has it in his blog but we’re just discussing it which I have no issues with since it’ll make the argument stronger
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There are 4 quadrant, yes but the point of "universe having edge" and anime itself having no support for infinite universe while guide books are mostly referring to endlessly expanding rather than being infinite, it's still a problem. Guidebooks should atleast be supported by primary sources for them to be considered but it on the other hand is being contradicted.
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Firestorm really just has collected scans and statements from all sources and still not sure about validities of few scans. He himself said statements from guidebooks must be supported by primary sources.
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There is also mention of numerous galaxies, but we have to go to someone professional to translate.
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Also that DT has confirmed having same time dimension is not a anti feat for universes being separate spacetime's, so DB is really safe even w/o RoSaT being a part of U7, so in my opinion, RoSaT should not be considered part of universe 7 and shouldn't be a justification for separate spacetime's either.
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Sounds fair, but how are we going to do with RoSaT? Will he still be part of the timeline?
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I see no problem when Timeline itself can contain many spacetime's already.
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1 other dimensions would not be shown when seeing the physical universe from the outside, 2 it isn't a galaxy but a giant cosmos orbiting a center and 3 is the said model that depict that ever used in either dbz or dbs anime?
please don't insult people
this thread is a continuation of a canon db cosmology thread
they could very easily made it surrounded by darkness, there wouldn't be anything to animate
not if that is how they are depicted in the actual series, is that model ever used in dbz or dbs anime?
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There is also mention of the room of time being infinite, since it is part of time can't we suggest that it is space larger than a planet?
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That isn’t a very good counter lol. They didn’t animate like 90% of the universe. They clearly just wanted to show that this is an actual universe
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well the rosat has arguments in the op of the earlier thread of not being a space time, so
also same timeflow may not be an anti feat, but if it is affected by time travel i don't think that the specific type of multiverse that would allow it to happen while still being a space time is the standard assumption, but this depends on the tier 2 revision thread happening right now
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The afterlife is mentioned in the anime, yes
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the room is Earth sized, what do you mean by "part of time"?
they were depicting the physical universe with galaxies stars an stuff, they could have animated the darkness no problem
and the actual universe has no darkness
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Where’d he say this, if you don’t mind me asking?
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that is not what i asked at all
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They were showing the entirety of universe 7, not just the physical stuff
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No, there isn't.
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Is it for only toei?
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says who? it is a vision from outside of the universe while we see the physical formation of the super shenron
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this thread is a continuation of a canon cosmology thread
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This scan you use to refer to the weather room is no good, look carefully at things before commenting, everything is white and nothing appears!
Goku never reached the end of the room of time, it is said that he can even get lost there and never find the exit, it is said in the novel that it is an infinite space
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Okay. Noted.
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The tier 2 topic only remains to be applied now, our verse is saved, just relax and have some tea to cool your head
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this matters because?
goku trained in the place that has access for it for years with the very people who take care of it, his world is reliable until anything proves otherwise
novel is tertiary canon at best, the manga takes precedence
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not really much, it depends on the tier 2 revision thread happening right now, so i will not comment on it very much now, i will wait until that thread ends
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Besides being from Trunks' perspective.
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Because by that point whis is depicting universe 6 and 7.
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that doesn't counter my point tho
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Yes it does. They were showing both macrocosms, not just the physical worlds
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Bro this point has been discussed multiple times the things beyond the illuminated galaxies are infinite and the illuminated parts are infinitely expanding this is supported by the actual canon material from Yakon’s home planet so it is supported by the series that there’s places light cannot reach within the macrocosm
I don’t recall him saying he’s unsure about he did say it must be supported by primary sources
infinitely expansive universe and infinitely expanding light isn’t contradicted either
im okay with it not be using as justification but I still think it should be considered part of it
???? Can you rephrase that
that wasn’t an insult I didn’t say you were a clown I was saying to not clown yourself
Ik but the discussion rule is outdated as heaven is already considered Universal for toei
the model is used in the dbs manga and it’s quite clear there’s an afterlife and kaioshin realm in the anime as well
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I suggest you have both sides give a detailed explanation on why it’s infinite or why it isn’t and give proof in their evidence as well to make it more simple
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Yes, that seems reasonable.
Can each side here do so in a comprehensive, but well-structured and easy to understand manner please?
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what is your evidence for this? they were clearly depicting the physical universes with galaxies and stuff, they didn't show any of the other dimensions and the entire conflict of that arc concerned only the physical universe
1 other dimensions are in other dimensional planes and would not be able to be seeing by just going outside of the physical universe, 2 i am saying that there is no reason to believe that it is a single galaxy instead of a giant cosmos getting orbited by galaxies with a center
ok
in toei, not canon, if you want to discuss that you would need another focused on toei after this one
i specified the anime
there is an afterlife and kaioshin realm yeah, but i was asking about the model itself and its structure
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You do realize that the universe isn’t just the living realm it includes the afterlife and kaioshin realm nobody said toei was canon but it’s an example of the discussion rule being outdated
Also make a detailed explanation for your argument and I’ll make a detailed explanation for mine for staff to evaluate
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