This entire section is filled with so many inflated languages I was getting annoyed as I was reading it, also it paraphrases the scans to mean what they are not saying. So for anyone who wishes to evaluate, do not take the wordings for it and open the scans itself and see for yer self.
That said, Adolla is a separate dimensions from the real world, that is not the dispute, the dispute is that there are points in adolla and real world sapce and time that are in both. Moving on,
Oh wow this is the scan "A sea of twinkling stars, the intense battle between the dragon and knight continues in the boundless cosmos"
Really? aside from the fact that this is literally flowery, Arthur and Dragon are fighting around the moon, is the distance from earth to moon a boundless cosmos?
The scan again "A black land and innumerable scattered flames" so stop paraphrasing the words, it is not innumerable space but rather innumerable flames
Again the scan "Kishin's sama madness does not end, it is infinite,
as abundant as water,............ kishin sama madness is endless,
as infinite as your desire to see my naked body"
Aside from the fact that the bolded statements invalidates the stuff, in this context they were saying no matter what happens you will fall into madness in the end. and literally nothing about adolla size.
That said I do believe the universe is universal in size as that is just simple logic, but this scans are just simply reaching for something not there and nonsense to say the least
Of course adolla is a different dimension from the real world
Well aside from the fact that adolla physically exist and you can enter there physically, do you need scans or list of people who were there before the merger?
Like this is just dishonest you said no interaction can be made before the merger, that is a lie, as people could enter/interact with it before the merger.
That said, you cannot eat your cake and have it, if adolla is not real, you cannot get a physical tier for it.
the
tear in space exists
before the merge, that is
a map of the continent. and it has at least two tears in space according to that map, and each leads to Adolla.
this is literally after the last cataclysm and before the current one,
also literally
stated here. The fact that there are tear(s) in space in the earth which connects adolla to the world, also means they are not separate space-times
Surprisingly you forgot the elephant in the room
Shinra took an attack for Juggernaught which knocked him out and he
somehow ended up in the
Adolla plane with Inca
Shinra asked Inca what the Great Cataclysm is or how it will end, she replied that she does not know then, Inca mentioned that his
super-light speed thing allows him to see the past, so
he should travel back into the past to see what exactly happened during the last great cataclysm. Then she said "
You will use your super light speed to fly into the past".
Shinra then
traveled into the
past, Where he saw
the world or I should say
Tokyo before the Great
cataclysm on earth. Also
the author also
gave us a view of how earth
250 years ago looked like so he was obviously on earth 250 years ago.
So shinra time travelled when in the Adolla plane and ended up on earth from 250 years ago, which would not be possible if adolla and earth are in or different spacetimes, since you can obviously travel through their time and both is connected.
So yes this is a disqualifying criteria that meets lots of disqualifying points, Traveling with no portal, time travel e.t.c.
this is simply a universal law for any universe
this is what a universe is, FF is not a special. Also time and space are on the same grid and not axis.
Your own very scan debunks this, it says "sho is stopping time by messing with the heat of the universe hence the expansion of it"
So while you can say Adolla contains concepts from the human world which is true, this is gibberish and inflated asf "The world of ideas Adolla encompassing the very conceptual structure of a 4D universe's space-time is completely different than the physical nature of said universe's space-time." Also if adolla does not exist physically, you cannot give it a physical tier hence your tier 2 falls appart.
A little something, the universe has 3-Dimensional physical axis and not 4.
So from this long post that you made complicated, filled with inflated languages, you are saying that going back in time in adolla will take you to the world the human thought of and not the real world? you could have added that to it directly.
Anyway, the manga disagrees with you. 250 years ago, the humans wanted the world to be like that of a manga style, meaning if Shinra traveled back in time 250 years and ended up inside adolla, he should be in a world where all the humans have the manga art style, but well obviously he ended up in the real world. and Also stated directly to be "the world of the past", "the earth from 250 years ago" and not what you are claiming, which it will be "the world of perception of the past" e.t.c.
That said, reason why If two universes have points in their time and space that exist in both, are considered to be parts of a single space-time, rather than separate space-times. This is because space-time is a four-dimensional continuum that encompasses all of the physical reality we experience, including matter, energy, and the curvature of space itself.
According to the theory of relativity, events that occur in space-time can be considered as a single entity called an "event." Each event is characterized by its time and location in space. If two events occur at the same time and location in different universes, they are considered to be the same event in the context of the entire space-time. This is because space-time is continuous and interconnected, and events that occur in one part of space-time can have effects on events that occur in another part of space-time.
Therefore, if two universes have points in their time and space that exist in both, they cannot be considered separate space-times. They are, in fact, part of a single space-time that includes both universes. This implies that the boundaries between different universes are not fixed, and that there is a continuous flow of matter, energy, and information between them.
They are still two different universes but they share the same coordinate system, let me explain better
In mathematics, space-time is often represented using a four-dimensional coordinate system, where the three dimensions represent the spatial coordinates (x, y, z) and the fourth dimension represents time (t).
If we consider two universes, we can represent them as two distinct regions within this four-dimensional space-time. Let's call these regions Universe 1 and Universe 2.
Now, suppose there is a point (x1, y1, z1, t1) in Universe 1 and a point (x2, y2, z2, t2) in Universe 2 that have the same spatial and temporal coordinates. In other words, they occupy the same point in space and time.
These two points cannot be considered as separate points in space-time, because they represent the same physical event. Mathematically, we can represent this as follows:
(x1, y1, z1, t1) = (x2, y2, z2, t2)
This equation shows that the two points are equivalent and are part of the same space-time.
Therefore, if there are points that exist in both universes, they cannot be considered as separate space-times, because they are part of a single, interconnected space-time.
Since I am going for homerun, I will explain further
we can represent space-time as a manifold, which is a topological space that is locally Euclidean. In other words, at any given point in space-time, we can use a coordinate system to assign numerical values to the spatial and temporal dimensions.
The four dimensions of space-time are represented using what is known as a Minkowski space, which is a special kind of mathematical space used in the theory of relativity. The coordinates in Minkowski space are represented as (x, y, z, ct), where c is the speed of light and t is time.
When we say that two universes have points in their time and space that exist in both, we are saying that there are points in the Minkowski space that correspond to events in both universes. These points have the same spatial and temporal coordinates in both universes.
For example, let's say that in Universe 1, there is an event that occurs at position (x1, y1, z1) and time t1. In Universe 2, there is another event that occurs at the same position and time. This means that there is a point in the Minkowski space that corresponds to both events, and its coordinates are (x1, y1, z1, ct1).
Because this point corresponds to events in both universes, it cannot be considered as part of either universe alone. Rather, it is part of a larger space-time that includes both universes.
In summary, the reason why two universes with points in their time and space that exist in both cannot be considered as separate space-times is because they are part of the same four-dimensional manifold, and points in the manifold that correspond to events in both universes must be considered as part of the same space-time. So as long as there is the proof of them sharing the same past, they are inside the same space-time no matter what, so enough of the BSing to say the least, you have no idea about what you are saying here and you do not understand what you are saying here, just some beautiful words here and there thats all
which I blame @Deceived3596 for since I have seen this post before from him, but like I already said they have points that exists in both hence they are not spatio-temporally seaprate, which is the requirement for tier 2 now.
Point out the qualification please, you only linked the page
Now let me read out the tiering to you
FAQ
Check the bolded part
Now it expanded more on that
Check the bolded part again, it says if they are not separate for infinite time, they will be counted as one.
So even if Fire force world and Adolla was considered separate, the fact that they are not separate for infinite time means they will be counted as just one.
Also unless the merge is happening across all of time it is tier 3, it will be a single moment in time merge. If it was a merge that happened across all of time, then the
world of 250 years ago would look manga like, when shinra travelled back which was not so, meaning it is a moment in time merge, and not across the entire space-time continuum, which means not tier 2.
From the
space-time page draft
Fire Force fails woefully at this, with shinra's feat
To explain some sort of dimensional wall does not mean, they are separate space-times.
Self- explnatory, in case anyone wants to bring up shinra's doppleganger scenario
So to summarise all this point, two universes are spatial-temporally separate, if you cannot physically travel from one point in the universe A into another universe B, also if you cannot time travel from one to another and if there are no points in A or B that are in both.
Also your point about tear(s) in space and what I sent on it kind of proves that they are not separate further
In summary they are not separated spatio-temporally
Also so no one strawmanns my argument, no one is saying they are not separate dimensions, they are, but the argument is there are points in time and space of the world and adolla that exists in both and that is undeniable, so this is not tier 2. So any argument should be that there is no point in the world and adolla that are in both, that is my argument.
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ISPOILER]I should add, by default you cannot tap/use or tank a tier 2 power while remaining below it, If adolla is tier 2, anyone who uses it becomes tier 2, literally BOS characters also become tier 2. To make it easier to understand if you claim adolla is tier 2, in tier 2 no matter how much you divide tier 2, it will not be below tier 2, even if you divide it infinite times, it will still be tier 2, so there is no such thing as using tier 2 power behind an attack while the attack remains tier 7. Anything powered by adolla becomes tier 2 no matter how small it is. So it is not just those who fully scale to adolla, but those who uses adolla too and those who scales who should become tier 2
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