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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

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"What? how can this be?! You've condensed reshi all over Hueco mundo?!

Is that lord aizens technique?! That means data on lord aizen after he fused with the hogyoku must have existed somewhere."


This confirms ichigo did use his Quincy powers on aizen. When roka used mugetsu she condensed reshi all over Hm. Cien also thought this was aizens power after he fused with the hogyoku which means aizen had Quincy powers.
 
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Naeblis495 said:
Aizen himself said that kisuke was equal to him prior the hogyoku fusion.
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Maybe depends upon interpretation.

Aizen maybe talking about hiw they're nkt equal in the sense that Aizen's powers are different from shinigami powers
Or
It's been 100 years since Auzen and Kisuke met or talked to each other. So they may have been equal in the past but that possibly changed during the years.

I can also give multiple things that contradict Kisuke being base Aizen's equal
 
Ssr4vegito said:
Maybe depends upon interpretation.

Aizen maybe talking about hiw they're nkt equal in the sense that Aizen's powers are different from shinigami powers
Or
It's been 100 years since Auzen and Kisuke met or talked to each other. So they may have been equal in the past but that possibly changed during the years.

I can also give multiple things that contradict Kisuke being base Aizen's equal
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this is told right after Aizen fought urahara in his chrysalis form extensively, he is well aware of Urahara's current strengh and rank it equal to his own before the fusion.

There is little interpretation here.
 
Ssr4vegito said:
That's also what i'm talking about. Butterfly Aizen should get 3A possibly 2C via ED.
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You do realise that they only have that because they are the Soul Kings ? And this wiki only consider those that actively the Soul Kings to be able to do anything to the verse because they are the lynchpin , not because of their power.

Aizen and DSangai ichigo are no lynchpins, so they won't get low 2-C ED.
 
Naeblis495 said:
You do realise that they only have that because they are the Soul Kings ? And this wiki only consider those that actively the Soul Kings to be able to do anything to the verse because they are the lynchpin , not because of their power.

Aizen and DSangai ichigo are no lynchpins, so they won't get low 2-C ED.
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Aizen is stated to have become an actual replacement. A soul king like being / God. He transcended the Soul King amd evolved imto an even higher existence. The Noble used the Soul King's power to split the world. So i'm pretty sure it has something to do with power on the level of an actual God.
 
Ssr4vegito said:


Perhaps you should read these
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First statement is by gin who never even met Urahara, even less fought him.

Second is very specific "my strengh wich was unrivaled in the SOUL SOCIETY"

All this prove at best, is that while Urahara was still a SS captain, Aizen was stronger than him. This say nothing to FKT Urahara, wich Aizen, after fighting him, ranked it to his own prior the fusion.

The "equal power" statement is also the lastest one and is talking specifically about Urahara and Aizen strengh. It should thus take predecence over the others.
 
Ssr4vegito said:
Aizen is stated to have become an actual replacement. A soul king like being / God. He transcended the Soul King amd evolved imto an even higher existence. The Noble used the Soul King's power to split the world. So i'm pretty sure it has something to do with power on the level of an actual God.
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Aizen is CAPABLE of being the SK , but he is not the SK/lynchpin so he can't do shit to the garganta because the wiki don't accept low 2-c bleach via raw power.

I agree with you, but wiki said no multiples times.
 
Naeblis495 said:
First statement is by gin who never even met Urahara, even les fought him.

Second is very specific "my strengh wich was unrivaled in the SOUL SOCIETY"

All this prove at best, is that while Urahara was still a SS captain, Aizen was stronger than him. This say nothing to FKT Urahara, wich Aizen, after fighting him, ranked it to his own prior the fusion.

The "equal power" statement is also the one lastest one and is talking specifically about Urahara and Aizen strengh.
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Gin knows meets Urahara in TBTP. Aizen and co always spy on people. Even the espada knows the power of Urahara and Yoruichii

"You're the only person in Soul Society whose mind is brilliant than my own " Too bad Aizen still considers Urahara as part of Soul Society
Statement 1

All this prove at best, is that while Urahara was still a SS captain, Aizen was stronger than him. This say nothing to FKT Urahara, wich Aizen, after fighting him, ranked it to his own prior the fusion

Gin makes the statement During FKT.

The "equal power" statement is also the one lastest one and is talking specifically about Urahara and Aizen strengh.

As i told you there are multiple things that contradict this. Kisue was the guy who needed his Shikai to fight the likes of base Yammy while Aizdn put diwn Grimmjow by flexing his reiatsu.

The statement from Chrysalis Aizen is open to interpretation. 2 interprerations i have provided above.
 
Naeblis495 said:
Aizen is CAPABLE of being the SK , but he is not the SK/lynchpin so he can't do shit to the garganta because the wiki don't accept low 2-c bleach via raw power.

I agree with you, but wiki said no multiples times.
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Aizen is not capable of but became a being of same level and even surpassed it.

Tokinda stated those who become the Soul King would have the power to destroy or create the world.


Ginjo, Hikone and Current Ichigo are merely candidates while Aizen became an actual replacement. Hikone still needs the Hogyoku to attain Godhood like butterfly Aizen

 
Gin still never fought SS Urahara or FKT Urahara wich is the version Aizen is speaking about.

And the equal power statement is still the latest one , made after actually fighting FKT shikai Urahara. Later statements > prior statements.



You don't seem to understand. The wiki mods do not accept the low 2-C raw power meta for bleach, despite having read all the proof.

Yes, ButterflAizen is on the level of the SK, but the wiki don't accept the SK as being able to destroy the verse via his raw power but simply via being the linchpin of the verse. Kon would get the low 2-c rating if he was made the linchpin, according to the wiki mods.

Many have tried to change their mind but to no avail.
 
Also you do realize if we took Gin's statement to the highest interpretation that would place him above Yamamoto as well?

And before you bring up Aizen admitting Yama was stronger than him...

He also admitted Kisuke was equal ( at least comparable ) to his Base at FKT

There is literally no difference
 
Naeblis495 said:
Gin still never fought SS Urahara or FKT Urahara wich is the version Aizen is speaking about.

And the equal power statement is still the latest one , made after actually fighting FKT shikai Urahara. Later statements > prior statements.



You don't seem to understand. The wiki mods do not accept the low 2-C raw power meta for bleach, despite having read all the proof.

Yes, ButterflAizen is on the level of the SK, but the wiki don't accept the SK as being able to destroy the verse via his raw power but simply via being the linchpin of the verse. Kon would get the low 2-c rating if he was made the linchpin, according to the wiki mods.

Many have tried to change their mind but to no avail.
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Aizen never fought Yamamoto but he knows he can't win against him in a head on fight. Ulquiorra amd Yammy have fought Kisuke. Ulquiorra knew if Kisuke amd Yoruichii fought Ulquiorra while protecting Ichigo they wpuld likely not win. Which means he knows how strong both are. Aizen and co are always spying on people.
The entire statement from Gin is Kubo telling us about how strong Aizen is even wothput. If Gin and Aize himself says Aizen has no equals then he has no equals.

Two statements , onw from Aizen and one from Gin contradict them being equals. Also feats. The latest statement can simply be interprered in two ways

1 - Aizen's transcended shinigami state. So he could be just referring to how Aizen's powers are the shinigami powers like Kisukes anymore. So they're unequal in a sense that Aizen is no longer simply using just Shinigani powers.

2- it's never stated when their powers became unequal. When Aizen met Urahara after 100 years he was in his evolutionary state. They only get to talk to each other after all these years. Aizen could be simply be saying how their powers were equal once (likely during their time in SS) and it became unequal later on (possibly inbetween the 100 years).

Saying 'you can only destroy the world through becoming a lyncjpin and not power is false. It's directly stated that 'the nobles used the Soul Kings almighty power to split the world'. Bit i guess i should leave this argumemt.
 
AnimesFreak2 said:
Also you do realize if we took Gin's statement to the highest interpretation that would place him above Yamamoto as well?

And before you bring up Aizen admitting Yama was stronger than him...

He also admitted Kisuke was equal ( at least comparable ) to his Base at FKT

There is literally no difference
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Aizen has no equals. Yamamoto is his superior. There's a difference.
 
Ssr4vegito said:
Aizen has no equals.
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"Though our powers are no longer equal"


I literally do not see how you can't understand this

Like Aizen of all people is legit being humble in this scene by admitting Kisuke not only equaled his power before ascending...but he's still smarter regardless

How much more clear can you get?
 
AnimesFreak2 said:
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"Though our powers are no longer equal"


I literally do not see how you can't understand this

Like Aizen of all people is legit being humble in this scene by admitting Kisuke not only equaled his power before ascending...but he's still smarter regardless

How much more clear can you get?
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As i told you can still interpret in multiple ways
1 - Aizen's transcended shinigami state. So he could be just referring to how Aizen's powers are not shinigami powers like Kisukes anymore. So they're unequal in a sense that Aizen is no longer simply using just Shinigani powers.

2- it's never stated when their powers became unequal. When Aizen met Urahara after 100 years he was in his evolutionary state. They only get to talk to each other after all these years. Aizen could be simply be saying how their powers were equal once (likely during their time in SS) and it became unequal later on (possibly inbetween the 100 years).

Aizen himself and Gin states he has no equals.
 
Tbf now that I think about it Unsmaked stated also Aizen was the strongest with Yama (Stated to be the strongest ss in the same databook)

so shikai yama > < aizen > rest of the cast

誰よりも強かった藍染は、　誰にも理解されこと無い孤独の世界を抱えていた。　
Aizen was stronger than anybody else, and because of this, he was lonely and misunderstood by everyone (this would match what Aizen said in the manga about being superior in the SS)

that statement from Aizen could be interpreted as he is no longer a shinigami therefore is out of the realm of strength of a shinigami like Urahara Thus not interested in him For power. But just because of intellect.

though I still think Urahara backscale to Aizen rating wise, so it’s more semantic to say who is stronger In term of scaling.
 
Tyri456 said:
Tbf now that I think about it Unsmaked stated also Aizen was the strongest with Yama (Stated to be the strongest ss in the same databook)

so shikai yama > < aizen > rest of the cast

誰よりも強かった藍染は、　誰にも理解されこと無い孤独の世界を抱えていた。　
Aizen was stronger than anybody else, and because of this, he was lonely and misunderstood by everyone (this would match what Aizen said in the manga about being superior in the SS)

that statement from Aizen could be interpreted as he is no longer a shinigami therefore is out of the realm of strength of a shinigami like Urahara Thus not interested in him For power. But just beca of intellect.

though I still think Urahara backscale to Aizen rating wise, so it’s more semantic to say who is stronger In term of scaling.
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Aizen

This us what you're talking about.
 
Tyri456 said:
that statement from Aizen could be interpreted as he is no longer a shinigami therefore is out of the realm of strength of a shinigami like Urahara Thus not interested in him For power. But just beca of intellect.
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Yes. This is my first and main interpretation. Aizen also likely has the most reiatsu. Yama's zanpakuto has more firepower and Kisuke is smarter.
 
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