It will be different if no explicit context is available. Yes.
Which there is, blatantly actually, the two novels simply can not fit with each other, intentionally at that.
And if there wasn't, it still wouldn't because that's not how shit works here.
It would only be the same if directly confirmed by the author and explained as to how.
Yes, I know it, but what do you intend to communicate with it? Well, he took it from another writer and then? Always the same.
I'm saying you have literally no idea what you're talking about and should stop spouting actually poorly cobbled-together nonsense that not even you actually understand simply because it has funny big words in it. You haven't read the like ten novels you'd even need to read to even START making a thread like this. What youre doing is tantamount to trying to scale DBH to canon DBZ except with like, 4 extra steps of noncanonicity added between it.
ACTUALLY, a good example would be trying to scale say, Pikachu, off Sephiroth, because they both show up in Smash Bros, and thus, you're arguing the world of pokemon and final fantasy must be the same because they have shared characters in smash, without realizing that the world of smash is simply its own thing that cobbles together a bunch of shit without actually being strictly the exact same between.
Or Akuma in tekken tbh.
There is a difference between breaking the fourth wall and our words now. It has been clarified that they were in different roles and came to this world and this world is a new story, and they lost roles.
Except they don't even say that.
Tsuku explains that he had Beyond, and he works as a detective, and he knows that he will always succeed because Beyond writes it for him to, and he is, or was, the protagonist and hero, but now he isn't so sure and thus isn't anymore.
And the god of
this world, Beyond, chooses Joji over him so he's no longer the protagonist.
They never once actually say anything about a past novel or past world, and the ONLY time they do, is when talking about worlds in the context of D4C and MIH's universal loops or travel.
He unironically doesn't even say what you're trying to use as evidence, because that simply isn't the case to begin with.
A conclusion would be more logical than breaking the fourth wall, and your words about dr slmap cosmology it just means upscale to dba or vice versa, and this is the same about my words about Tsukumojuku
It's barely even that, he says he used to be the protagonist, and now he is not. In the context of the book, he's talking about how he's never failed a case and things always go his way, something he talks about in the first actual conversation with him and established before that, in how in elementary school he worked as a detective and solved every case, which is what Tsuku is talking about, how he used to be the detective and things always worked out for him with Beyond and he was the main character. But to us, the readers it's a nudge nudge wink wink allusion to how he was the main character in a past book. That is
all.
And no, that isn't how shit works, we don't cross scale cosmology or verses because an author goes "hmm I like this character, let me reuse him".
You obviously don't even understand what Jorge Joestar even is to begin, it's effectivelyAn"A Otaro novel set in the confines of JoJo", the very basis of the novel is what if it was
JoJo and not his past works. There's overlap, and shared notes, but that's because it it's trying to set of a JoJofied version of how he usually goes about things.
If you read the novels you'd know it ain't even just Tsuku that cameous, though he has the largest one, the detectives that confront Kira at one point are from a different book as well, except they all murder each other in the past book and die disgusting deaths, but in JJ they're all fine and chill and alive, because it's merely just a cameo and reused, idk, "assets" i guess? You're taking basic nods and cameos to try and connect two completely different forms of media, we aren't accepting this, and never will.
You are grasping at straws, and to be blunt, even if what you said is true
it aint, at all this still wouldn't even be accepted because of how poorly the CRT is made for such a huge change.
Or does he just mean that Cars, who understood and knew Beyond, doesn't want to be a leading man, and that Beyond allows him to be the hero of the story, but he doesn't want to be when he fights Dio while the child he owns is with him?
No? We are literally told exactly the situation at hand, there is no "maybe Kars could if he wanted", they make it clear he can not.
He figures out Beyond is a God, knows it's writing a story, and is personally fine with not being the main character, that is all that is established, but then they further establish Kars can't actually defeat Dio because Bryond makes it so he can not lose, and so, must rely on JoJi and his Beyond to work together to defeat Dio.
Kars at that point was getting fed up with Dio's shit, if he could just get around Beyond he would have, but he didn't, because he couldn't and had to resort to a convoluted workaround with JoJi who did have Beyond.
We will never scale Kars to Beyond off of actual nothing when everything points to the fact he couldn't. The absolute best thing you could argue is that Kars could convince Beyond to join him instead, but that has **** all to do with power and has more to do with the fact Kars is just a very cool dude and Bryond would probably find it interesting to write a novel focused on him. In the exact same way Beyond left Tsuku for Jorge.
You said it yourself. Everything has a logical meaning in the story, and as long as it is something devoid of it, then this is enough, and the same for mathematical values 7
Do you now know logic is an actual word? It just means "to make sense" in this situation, things have to make sense in a story, aka things have to be logical in a story. They don't mean logic in some tier 1 fuckery kind of way, but rather "stories that don't make sense are bad, so make a story that does make sense".
: I never said that they are from the same novel, but they are from the same world. The writer agreed On them and they were spread mainly lol
What? No? The only JoJo novel that has even a bit of semblance of canonicity is GioGio 2, every other novel is explicitly noncanon, in fact, both novels, The Book and Jorge are actually listed in the
noncanon section of Veller
in which beyond has a transcendence statement which I plan on slapping into my own personal JJ crt in the future and hard confirmation cube house is 4-Dimensional
We also know that Araki had
zero involvement with the writing of either novels, especially The Book, which was a novel that ITS author spent nearly a decade writing, going through thousands of manuscripts and drafts. Like goddamn I wish The Book WAS canon, there's a very, very, good feat in it for CD.
Hirohiko Araki has zero say in what happened in those two novels, and neither are part of actual Jojo canon. You can't cross-scale two completely different novels like that, when each one itself has an extra author between them.
Also,
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Araki himself is well known for being hands off in the writing of spins off. Jorge being based on JoJo doesn't mean it draws from all spin offs as well.
As I said above, and add this to
You said nothing above, you haven't even proved the most basic foundation of your claims, let alone any actual canon connections.
Uh yeah, Thus Spoke Rohan is canon, because it's written by Araki himself and stated to be canon? Like what an actual nothing argument.
Actually, the novel is after the events of Jojo in Condlin, years ago, so everyone in Jojo will be part of it
That isn't even true, the novel doesn't even feature Part 8. And the novel itself literally can not fit within the confines of JoJo canon.
Hell most abilities don't even work the same way, an obvious one is Made in Heaven looping the universe 37 times but in canon, he looped the universe once, died, and bam JoJo ended. In the novel MIH works differently mechanically to accomplish that goal for the sake of plot, completely contradicting how things work.
And let's not even talk about Kars, something Araki has talked about in how he will never return. Or how D4C works or how BTD breaks its own rules in canon for the plot.
And just from a plot standpoint, basically, everything in Jorge contradicts canon. Jorge is the most noncanon piece of media ever conceived.
+ The word concept means an idea, and in this context the idea of power means the manipulation of time. This basically does not negate the existence of these concepts. We already know the existence of time, and this automatically leads to the existence of the concept of time
The word concept means an idea or principle of something.
Araki is saying "i use the idea of time abilities a lot in my work", and you're extrapolating and wanking such a basic use of the word to mean the novel scales to like 1-A because of concepts, concepts that aren't even actually established.
Did you know, the word "concept" is only used five times in the whole novel? And each of those 5 times, it's only ever used to explain what something is to someone or something, and one is Kars literally saying "We, the Pillar Men, lacked the concept of emotional investment lmao, so yeah we were kinda assholes lol".
Just because they use the word concept, doesn't mean it's talking about it in a way that'd get you tier 1.
Now how about this, before you even think of replying, show us that "concept" in this context is something that would enable tier 1, and then, show us that Tsuku is explicitly canon and in the same setting as JJ
not disco wednesday btw, that isn't even the thing that's being referenced 
