Just to correct you, myself, Shadow, and Tracer think that Lariat being Rel+ is fine (whether that is through partial or full ratings). None of us said anything about V1 being Rel+ in general or V2 being SoL.
Well I don't particularly agree with this but you can say V2 Ay is faster than Bee who shot a Bijuudama at a similar speed to Mifune's Light Beam.
a V1 One-Tailed Cloak Mifune's slash is Lightspeed. the Raikage is faster than a normal Mifune. a normal nine tails cloak would not make him significantly faster than before. This was just a side point on how lesser characters can reach these speeds.
this wasn't that important to the thread, just something I thought I'd add at the end to show jutsu having the properties of light is not uncommon.
Madara is far stronger but Minato has been shown capable of reacting to the attacks of these God-tier characters the same Minato who was a rival to Ay when he was alive.
Arc partially addressed this with a translation but just because SOSP Naruto did it does not mean other lesser characters couldn't. Especially since the in-story characters showed no concern for the Jutsu.
Fair this was more of supporting evidence. I don't even think this makes him definitively SOL.
Kid Kakashi at some capacity can react to lightning, the Raikage is much faster. In isolation that isn't saying much I agree.
I address it this way because, in the original thread, there were people that preferred the interpretation of a Lightning Speed Raikage so I figured it should be addressed just in case people still believe that.
Everything in this thread was based on people's opinions I saw in the original thread along with common arguments I've seen against it. Sorry if you feel like it's padding but I wanted to address those points early on to avoid having to talk about them if and when they come up.
His slash isn't. The projectile he creates is. Raikage has no scaling to that projectile.
I don't see how this is relevant. Minato was still faster than A either way.
So what? What does the Raikage being the fastest shinobi have to do with lightspeed jutsu existing? 99% of Shinobi aren't going to be keeping up with jutsu faster than MHS+ anyway.
Ok fair
Either way other shinobi present are able to use projectiles that match its speed.
Light-speed Jutsu statements have been made about people that are (if we're being generous)relative if not beneath Ay in speed.
Who? Aside from Mifune, who has no relation to Ay?
There is a large gap between Madara's Relativistic feat and the Speed of Light which is a part of the proposal in the OP.
So just to check, do you think there'd be no problems with KCM1 Naruto and V1 Killer B both being Relativistic+?
One of the rare times we've agreed
I'll address other points later but as far as I've seen KCM1 Naruto and V1 Killer B being Relativistic+ isn't contradicted.
B would only be Rel+ with Lariat.
Gotcha, just checking against the other versions of the proposal in the OP.
True true my b, I assumed we were only talking about what other staff have accepted/think is fine
Might be worth looking into for consistency talks
Considering V1 Ay was matching him prior, probably Shunshin. Also cause when he was last compared to Minato, it was in reference to his Shunshin.
Naruto could have been holding back like Ay was.
Would he really hold back after so many failed attempts? Also this really does not look like the face of someone holding back.
Bee's asking if it's teleportation jutsu, which is the VIZ name for Shunshin. And yeah? Him needing to control his Shunshin speed fits that.but was it his Shunshin? I always thought the Kisame thing was referring to natural speed that they thought looked like Minatos flying Raijin. Unless he Shunshin'd hard enough to twist his ankle. Yamato also says he needs to control his power.
Um...I'm really not sure what your point is with this. You know Shunshin is just using your chakra to make you run a lot faster right? It still is running at the end of the day, whatever name it has.Bee also says he "outran" the Raikage.
But Ay later on states Minato "outran" him too. So I'm not entirely sure tbh.
Tbf it’s not that hard to believe, not sure how a fully powered naruto would be getting pressed this hard but then be able to dodge his fastest attack point blank, without the explanation of him holding back at least a little
moved 73x faster than him
why? also the video games aren't sources
v2+ lariat is considered rel+ with (not speed of light)
Damage's best argument is that lf is unavoidable and characters under spsm naruto's cannot be ls. but this is a mistranslation
