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It's not passive...Honestly, I'm pretty sure it's a stomp since Darkrai's Dark void is passive and Sonic has no resistance to it, meaning Sonic can't do anything.
Even if it's not passive, Sonic still can't do anything against Dark Void and has to rely on ooc moves to even has a chance to win. So how is that fair?
Idk why we discussing invulnerability when we talking about Darkrai here. So Darkrai FRA
These aren't in character for Sonic to use, and danmaku that induces sleep means Sonic can barely do anything here. He only has a chance to win if he acts in very ooc way. Overall, this is still stompish since to even have Sonic stand a chance you'd have to make him oocIt's not passive...
And Darkrai dark void is dammaku so Sonic can avoid it and use his CM 1 to hit Darkrai
From what I heard Sonics CM1 works as to just attacking you as he could damage that Moon thingThese aren't in character for Sonic to use, and danmaku that induces sleep means Sonic can barely do anything here. He only has a chance to win if he acts in very ooc way. Overall, this is still stompish since to even have Sonic stand a chance you'd have to make him ooc
Bloodlusting may solve this issue, as it just turns into a question of would Sonic be able to hax Darkrai before the latter puts him to eternal sleep, but even then I'm not sure if it'll be fair or just reverse the stomp in Sonic's favor
Conceptual manipulation type 1What is CM1
How does that matter when to even be able to attack he'd need to act in a very ooc way against Darkrai. Unless the boost grant Sonic protection from Dark Void (which probably is the case since the mpve protect and max guard blocks it), there isn't really anything Sonic can do hereFrom what I heard Sonics CM1 works as to just attacking you as he could damage that Moon thing
So sonic doesn't need to activate it for it to work
How is it out of character to try to charge towards Darkrai to hit Darkrai?How does that matter when to even be able to attack he'd need to act in a very ooc way against Darkrai. Unless the boost grant Sonic protection from Dark Void (which probably is the case since the mpve protect and max guard blocks it), there isn't really anything Sonic can do here
Because he'd instantly be put to sleep by a danmaku Dark Void? For Sonic to pull a win he has to pull his haxes, which are ooc for him use immediatelyHow is it out of character to try to charge towards Darkrai to hit Darkrai?
The only time we see Dark void is shielded was from Dialga and PalkiaBecause he'd instantly be put to sleep by a danmaku Dark Void? For Sonic to pull a win he has to pull his haxes, which are ooc for him use immediately
That said, considering Dark Void is blocked by protect, meaning it doesn't bypass forcefields, there's a case of the boost actually protecting Sonic. If that's the case, Then Darkrai pretty much has nothing else against Sonic as besides AP, sleep is all he has
And? The move can be blocked by protectThe only time we see Dark void is shielded was from Dialga and Palkia
Hypnosis needs to have Sonic before Darkrai for it to work, and it can also miss. It has low accurcyDarkrai has hypnosis which bypasses forcefields
How fast is the summoning? If it's thought based then Darkrai stomps if Sonic can't even dodge that.and Dark void doesn't have to even be a projectile(it can be a portal that is summoned below the target)
So how is it even fair? For Sonic to stand a chance you basically require him to act in ways ooc for him, and dodge something thought based right below him. There's just no wincon for Sonic here.Sonic would have to try to avoid all of this to land a strike on Darkrai
It comes from attacking abstract beings like The End, Dark Gaia Minions, and Solaris just to name a few.From what I heard Sonics CM1 works as to just attacking you as he could damage that Moon thing
So sonic doesn't need to activate it for it to work
Sonic has dealt with dammaku before via the End so Sonic can work around thatAnd? The move can be blocked by protect
Hypnosis needs to have Sonic before Darkrai for it to work, and it can also miss. It has low accurcy
How fast is the summoning? If it's thought based then Darkrai stomps if Sonic can't even dodge that.
So how is it even fair? For Sonic to stand a chance you basically require him to act in ways ooc for him, and dodge something thought based right below him. There's just no wincon for Sonic here.
At this point you really can't come with a single reason to how this is fair
Solaris isn't a abstract being and neither is GaiaIt comes from attacking abstract beings like The End, Dark Gaia Minions, and Solaris just to name a few.
Darkrai also has stat amp that increases 2x ever time it uses itI kinda forgot, Boost may help a lot here since I got it accepted as an 8x increase which is beyond blitzing range. Though I don't know if a CRT needs to be applied for it to be accepted.
You talking about Nasty plot that raises their Sp. Atk two stages? I don't think they've got a move that raises their speed two stages.Darkrai also has stat amp that increases 2x ever time it uses it
Doesn't really matter for Darkrai tho because sleep hax is it's specialty
Sonic already would've gotten hit by dark void which is what Darkrai leads with if he tries to power upYou talking about Nasty plot that raises their Sp. Atk two stages? I don't think they've got a move that raises their speed two stages.
Either way, Sonic's gives him a faster boost in a shorter timeframe. It is in character for him to use it and would allow him to quickly close any gap between them and from there blitz Darkrai.
How fast is the activation? Since if Dark Void is thought based and spawns right beneath him, Sonic is stompedSonic already would've gotten hit by dark void which is what Darkrai leads with if he tries to power up
If Dark Void is an avoidable attack, dodging it is very easy with boost. If it's not, then Darkrai just instantly puts Sonic to sleep no matter what and stomps from there.Sonic already would've gotten hit by dark void which is what Darkrai leads with if he tries to power up
It's not a stomp if Sonic has a wincon and that is CM1If Dark Void is an avoidable attack, dodging it is very easy with boost. If it's not, then Darkrai just instantly puts Sonic to sleep no matter what and stomps from there.
Having a win-con isn't enough. A win-con can only warrants a match not being a stomp IF the character actually is capable of pulling it off. If Darkrai insta puts Sonic to sleep, then in an a infinite amount of possibilities, Sonic could never win ever.It's not a stomp if Sonic has a wincon and that is CM1
I'm gonna have to read the stomp forum
It is instant but Darkrais sleep hax works as either projectiles or a portal that is avoidableHaving a win-con isn't enough. A win-con can only warrants a match not being a stomp IF the character actually is capable of pulling it off. If Darkrai insta puts Sonic to sleep, then in an a infinite amount of possibilities, Sonic could never win ever.
Ah, if it's avoidable, then fair, it wouldn't be a stomp. But if that's the case, I think Sonic's great athleticism, ability to avoid danmaku, teleportation (Via Chaos Control, he could also stop time too I suppose), in addition to the speed amp granted via boost would allow him to land one hit on Darkrai which should be enough given how his Concept Manipulation seems to work.It is instant but Darkrais sleep hax works as either projectiles or a portal that is avoidable
Sonic can dodge these because of his experience with The End
So the matchup will not be easy but not instant and a stomp
Given how Sonic has to do all of that perfectly, while Darkrai only has to hit him once, I think Darkai should win a vast majority of the timeAh, if it's avoidable, then fair, it wouldn't be a stomp. But if that's the case, I think Sonic's great athleticism, ability to avoid danmaku, teleportation (Via Chaos Control, he could also stop time too I suppose), in addition to the speed amp granted via boost would allow him to land one hit on Darkrai which should be enough given how his Concept Manipulation seems to work.
But the problem is that it's constant dammaku spamAh, if it's avoidable, then fair, it wouldn't be a stomp. But if that's the case, I think Sonic's great athleticism, ability to avoid danmaku, teleportation (Via Chaos Control, he could also stop time too I suppose), in addition to the speed amp granted via boost would allow him to land one hit on Darkrai which should be enough given how his Concept Manipulation seems to work.
He basically "wills" himself to go faster. He can boost whenever he wants and it amps his speed by 8x. This would not only allow him to blitz Darkrai once he gets in close, but he'd also be able to far more easily evade danmaku since he'd be so many times faster than said projectiles. If Sonic felt like there were too many projectiles to dodge, he may just instead teleport to Darkrai or teleport their projectiles away (Super Sonic is able to Chaos Control other things to different locations after all, like in SA2).But the problem is that it's constant dammaku spam
How does Sonic stat amp work?
Is it passive?
Does he even start with it?
If the portal opens right beneth him, it's not avoidable, especially if it's thought basedIt is instant but Darkrais sleep hax works as either projectiles or a portal that is avoidable
Darkrai pretty much has a move that completely erases the stat changes of target like even if it's by multiple stagesHe basically "wills" himself to go faster. He can boost whenever he wants and it amps his speed by 8x. This would not only allow him to blitz Darkrai once he gets in close, but he'd also be able to far more easily evade danmaku since he'd be so many times faster than said projectiles. If Sonic felt like there were too many projectiles to dodge, he may just instead teleport to Darkrai or teleport their projectiles away (Super Sonic is able to Chaos Control other things to different locations after all, like in SA2).
I dunno if they could even pull off that move before being blitzed tho. With an 8x increase, he pretty much moves faster than they can think of using a move. Not to mention, Sonic could simply start boosting again to get the amp back, as long as he has energy is capable of continuously using it.Darkrai pretty much has a move that completely erases the stat changes of target like even if it's by multiple stages
Not only that but Darkrai can become intangible at will and due to it's genius intelligence it will use it's moves and hax to it's advantage if Sonic would try to pull something off like increasing his stats
He can. It's on his profile. He can interact with ghosts and such, so Darkrai being intangible won't help itI believe Sonic can also interact with intangible characters like Knuckles. Tho I'm not 100% sure of that. But again, Sonic could probs blitz before they consider going intangible (Or Sonic could counter with Chaos Control and just like stop them in time or smth).
The boost increases his speed, something that is also in the speed section. Sonic also have the Light-Speed attack too to increase his speed even furtherI don't see anything in Sonics profile where he just instantly gets the willpower to go faster
It just says he activates speed increase with power ups or items
And also Knuckles has intangible?I dunno if they could even pull off that move before being blitzed tho. With an 8x increase, he pretty much moves faster than they can think of using a move. Not to mention, Sonic could simply start boosting again to get the amp back, as long as he has energy is capable of continuously using it.
I believe Sonic can also interact with intangible characters like Knuckles. Tho I'm not 100% sure of that. But again, Sonic could probs blitz before they consider going intangible (Or Sonic could counter with Chaos Control and just like stop them in time or smth).
So basically, in most modern sonic games, holding the x button causes Sonic to boost. This instantly shoots Sonic up to super high speeds. If it helps, here's a clip. It's something he uses all the time in Modern games.I don't see anything in Sonics profile where he just instantly gets the willpower to go faster
It just says he activates speed increase with power ups or items