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lefty is the puppet trapped in a different animatronic designed to be stronger than her, scaling the puppet to lefty is like scaling gabriel to freddy
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fnaf at freddys various downgrades
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yes, they required different technology. all of them have to rely on some sort of technology so i'm not sure why a battery is automatically inferior
how would he scale? he is much larger than most other animatronics and operates differently. he and springbonnie are also the only animatronics designed by both william and henry, the others were designed solo or by different people
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because i dont see a protosaber backpack attached to freddy fazbear's ass, and i do see one attached to nedd bear.
an animatronic limited to a giant ass battery to operate is going to be technologically inferior to one that DOESN'T need that to operate, let alone WALK AROUND.
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freddy needs something else to operate though. the difference is their source of power. the only problem with nedd bear’s battery is that it looks bad
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The fact freddy doesn't have any visible power sources on him should really speak how much more technologically superior he is to the lower fnaf 6 guys.
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that's a matter of visual design, not technological superiority, and definitely not strength
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an animatronic which costed 200 dollars, bought at a dollar store is going to be made of a weaker, less viable material than an animatronic made by a genius who makes robots which rivals technology from his time period.
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Better look should equal better parts
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you forgot the part where one is 4 decades older than the other
we are not about to scale the animatronics by how good they look
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What Farer said
Because he's A. Older than ****, B. Is literally one of the least technologically advanced bots in the entire series, as evidenced by his jaw literally being on a moving hinge thing.
You can plug a phone into a wall to get electricity or you can put some C-batteries into a different phone, which one is technologically superior?
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By better parts i mean a better mechanism/superior mechanism
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to back this up, these animatronics in fnaf 6 are prone to falling apart, completely unprompted. they may be able to break 100 bones in a kid's body, but they cant hold themselves together at times.
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now thinking about this, the fact the animatronics can lobotomize children from asking them questions is ******* hilarious but beyond op if we took that seriously on the wiki.
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fredbear's closed in 1983. the one in fnaf 2 opened in 1987, and at that point freddy was old and broken, with phone guy stating the previous restaurant (where freddy debuted) had been left to rot for quite a while. so fredbear and freddy were only, like, a few years apart
so his jaw had a completely different design from that of the other animatronics anyways, meaning we can't compare them
technological advancements don't matter that much anyways when he's that ******* massive. over half of the crying child's entire body was able to fit into his mouth with room to spare, i don't think the others can compare to that
the one you plug into a wall has a better battery system, however there's absolutely nothing to indicate that this would translate to strength
fair enough. still doesn't mean anything for strength though. the cheapness of those animatronics is probably the reason why they're so dangerous in the first place, we're looking at this from the perspective of a vs debater too much and assuming that technologically superior animatronics are automatically deadlier when it's more likely for the opposite to be true
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Im saying if the robots are falling apart unprompted by anything, but can still kick ass and break 100 bones of a child. they should scale to the robots who DONT fall apart unpompted and lobotomize children by asking them questions.
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actually i just looked through the lawsuits and some of them are pretty shady, for example one says a customer twisting their ankle caused them to become irreversibly crippled, before going on to say that they are expected to recover in two weeks. the 100 bones one seems to be similarly dubious, as the child supposedly didn't notice any of these injuries until he got home
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good animatronics shouldn't do either of those things though, i would understand if this was real steel or something but the animatronics in these games (excluding sister location) are supposed to be safe
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Freddy was by far the least withered animatronic, and even then, it's not the withered version with the exposed animatronic mouth we're talking about, we're talking about the Freddy from FNaF1 as that's the latest version of the B E A R up to that point and obviously, the most advanced.
It worked in an extremely un-advanced way, we're talking the tech of a nutcracker in this case, and if we take Help: Wanted as being accurate to these bots' sizes, Freddy's mouth in his latest version could more than likely fit a human head into it.
It actually does, since having a better battery system leaves more room for things like enhancing durability.
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that doesn't matter, he was left to rot for just as long as the other animatronics
there was nothing changed about freddy's actual mechanics. it was 100% cosmetic changes, otherwise henry would've found the bodies inside the animatronics
advanced doesn't automatically mean stronger, a nerf gun is more technologically advanced than a steel club but you'd never guess which one is stronger
a human head sure, but not half of a child's entire body. compared to michael (assuming he's the average american's height, 5'9") fredbear should be nearly 9 feet tall, making him the tallest animatronic in the series excluding security breach
wouldn't a better battery system mean more of the budget goes to the battery, and therefore less goes to the durability? regardless we've reached the depths of conjecture at this point
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but the steel club isn't randomly falling apart.
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thats not even what we're talking about lol
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Yet he lasted the best lol
You look at Withered Foxy and think there's the remains of a dead kid still in there? Nah, chances are the remains were taken out at some point and the souls remained, if Withered F A X is any indication whatsoever, the remains were already removed, and seeing as Henry already knew William was a child murderer... also the fact that the animatronic mouths between FNaF 1 OGs and FNaF 2 withereds are much different.
One is made of plastic the other is made of metal, were talking animatronics with metal endoskeletons in them, by that point of the time period the overarching metal used is likely steel, so we're comparing a steel animatronic to a steel animatronic, only one is far less advanced than the other, and Fredbear, going by Spring Bonnie again, needed more metal on the sides to keep his suit on, springlocks be damned, so Fredbear crushed a child's head with, more than likely, less thickness of metal than the OGs have in their animatronic mouths.
Fredbear only crushed the head, actually, seeing as the torso is out of his mouth when the big atari noise happens and the main event is seen.
Depending on efficiency, no, actually, and I doubt Henry was too worried about budget seeing as the 4 OGs literally lasted 20+ years without breaking down
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not the withered fax man... aw hell nah not after the grand canyon incident....
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so? we're talking about the time period between fredbear and freddy, not about how long freddy fazbear can last in a storage room
you're ignoring the part about fredbear being the biggest animatronic they ever made. fredbear also used a very different jaw mechanism from later animatronics, and there is no reason to assume they're comparable. one being more advanced doesn't mean anything because henry did not want his animatronics to kill people. any improvements he made to the animatronics would be intended to make them safer, not deadlier.
i didn't say he crushed the torso, just that it was able to fit into his mouth
regardless we've reached the depths of conjecture at this point
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Actually, let me answer that one now, Fredbear is proportionately the biggest bot yes, but issue is, as folks that have wanted to downgrade FNaF argued repeatedly, the minigames could be inaccurate, seeing as Afton can fit solidly into the Spring Bonnie suit, and unless you want to start arguing William Afton is among the tallest humans in existence, He definitely isn't 9 feet tall, seeing as he could fit normal humans into the Fredbear suit in it’s springlocked state and stand eye to said person, so either every human in the FNaF series is 8 feet tall or we can't say the animatronics are even 7 feet tall like the Help: Wanted game would suggest... pick your poison, either Fredbear's mouth opens wide as **** or every human in the series is 8 feet tall and we gotta recalc some shit lol... yes this realization came upon me now
Wide as **** mouth opening or 4 foot tall kid!
True enough lol
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doesn't fredbear canonically look almost exactly like freddy though, besides being yellow? UCN, assuming its canon shows fredbear like this
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Fredbear looks a lot different in the FNaF 4 Minigame, Nightmare Fredbear's body structure is probably more accurate than thatdoesn't fredbear canonically look almost exactly like freddy though, besides being yellow? UCN, assuming its canon shows fredbear like this
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fair.
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bro don't even get me started
but seriously, the infamous mangle audio is clearly intended to be audio directly from the scene of the crime (mentions a boy, and something about a frontal lobe) and mangle seemingly just sticks around kids cove all the time, so it's unlikely that any other animatronic would be there to have possibly done it instead. Mangle was there at the place and time, and was seemingly the only one with opportunity, so it's safe to say who did it
especially since it's clearly the outlier among all the toy animatronics...for obvious reasons I'd have an extremely hard time believing anything else could possibly be the culprit lol
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also don't get too hung up on mangle having bite of 87 audio before the bite actually happens, since help wanted kinda sorta confirms that the fnaf games we play are the in-universe game representation of the actual lore, so the self insert Scott probably just put that in as a clue for the self insert fnaf fans, except they don't have to figure out the lore because they probably know who actually did what would be a real life event to them, unless for some reason they put Mangle in witness protection or some shit
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fnaf 4 is probably the only game where the minigames are actually accurate. in every other game the minigames are cryptic and metaphorical, but in fnaf 4 the events are portrayed literally. the visuals are a lot more detailed too, there's nothing like william staring charlie to death or dismantling the animatronics by walking into them at a leisurely pace
springbonnie is shorter than fredbear, even if you include the ears
the fredbear suit still needs to have room for all of those animatronic parts, as well as the person wearing the costume. so the fredbear costume would add quite a bit of extra height to whoever was wearing it.
it canonically doesn't make sense for them to scale to fredbear anyways. if they could entirely crush skulls like fredbear, during the bite of 87 they would have destroyed the victim's entire brain, not just the frontal lobe, and there's no way the victim would have survived it as phone guy said they did
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Ill just lump most of the arguments together
Then how do you explain Afton being able to very, very well fit into the Spring Bonnie suit, Which is at least 8 feet tall by your own thoughts, make a choice, are the FNaF 4 minigames accurate to scale, making William around 8 feet tall, or are they inaccurate making Afton and most of the animatronics around the 6 foot mark? I shouldn't need to say it, but in FNaF 3 even if he is pretty hunched over, he is looking into the night guard's eyes, unless this night guard is 7 feet tall, that just doesn't work. And funnily enough, William's size being at eye level with Fredbear's mouth is consistent between both himself and spring Bonnie in FNaF 4.
As for the bites... look at Mangle's animatronic jaw and jumpscare, then tell me it can get that jaw around an entire head. It's not big enough, you are arguing that something with less area to work with should have the exact same feat as something with a massive amount of surface area to work with. And, to our knowledge Fredbear wasn't damaged by his bite, which would've more than likely been thinner metal than ANY of the animatronic mouths, in fact you can argue Fredbear would be more fragile than the rest of the bots because Springlocks would likely have a less stable connection than the opaque solid endoskeletons.
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the fredbear suit still needs to have room for all of those animatronic parts, as well as the person wearing the costume. so the fredbear costume would add quite a bit of extra height to whoever was wearing it.
so you agree that mangle can’t pull off the same feats as fredbear, but you also think mangle scales to fredbear. doesnt that sound a bit contradictory?
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Uh, yeah, I dunno, with how comparable in size Afton and Spring Bonnie are I'd say springlocks fold pretty damn well.
It's the REASON Mangle can't pull a skull crush that matters, it doesn't have a big enough animatronic jaw. This means that Mangle can't pull the feat because her mouth is literally unable to get around the entire human head, instead it took out what it COULD reach, and it was stupid effective "But then there was the Bite of '87. Yeah. It's amazing that the human body can live without the frontal lobe, you know?" I'm sorry, WITHOUT the frontal lobe implies Mangle literally took the entire frontal lobe, skull surrounding it and all, OFF the human it did it to.
Common/technical sense
I dunno man, what's more durable? A piece of metal that's hollow for some wires or a piece of metal that's basically in a bunch of pieces held together by who knows what? Read up on robotics and call me in the morning.
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we are never given a height for afton
nothing suggests it was scooped out by the bite itself. that’s one possibility but it’s just as likely that the frontal lobe was just severely ****** up and later removed. a similar scenario happens in fnaf 6 where doctors say the frontal lobe is still attached but may not remain that way for long, so the same thing could absolutely happen here. there’s no way of knowing
didnt you denounce using common sense as an argument for this verse earlier on?
the metal on the springlock suits would presumably be just as thick as it is on a normal animatronic suit, there’s just more hollow space in the center for a person to fit
springlock suits are not a real thing in robotics DaReaperMan
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Never said we were given one, I said that Afton's size compared to spring Bonnie means that the springlocks fold or do whatever more than you're implying.we are never given a height for afton
nothing suggests it was scooped out by the bite itself. that’s one possibility but it’s just as likely that the frontal lobe was just severely ****** up and later removed. a similar scenario happens in fnaf 6 where doctors say the frontal lobe is still attached but may not remain that way for long, so the same thing could absolutely happen here. there’s no way of knowing
didnt you denounce using common sense as an argument for this verse earlier on?
the metal on the springlock suits would presumably be just as thick as it is on a normal animatronic suit, there’s just more hollow space in the center for a person to fit
springlock suits are not a real thing in robotics DaReaperMan
It could be either or, but still.
This isn't a haunted ass supernatural robot yet, if it's supernatural, I would say that common sense isn't exactly a good thing to throw around unless it's literally like, magical fire or some shit, a possessed robot that's killing night guards isn't exactly common sense-worthy
It doesn't matter how thick the springlock suits are, and, answering the one below that too, the more you break up a piece of Metal and put hinges and the like on it, the less durable it'll be to say, a punch, because that's just more things to break, it's basic robotics that the stuff you want protecting(if you want it protected at all) gets solid pieces of, hopefully, Armored metal via a quench, steel(what's likely used) and Aluminum being the most common, but that doesn't matter if the robot is literally moving out of the way somehow, and using Spring Bonnie as an example again, pretty damn well, which doesn't speak well to how many hinges and small joints the springlock suits must have to let a guy like William into Spring Bonnie, meaning that is an apsolute shit ton of things to break, punch Fredbear's arm hard enough and chances are it's not going to bend or twist, all of that force is getting transmitted directly to breaking the joints holding the whole enchilada together, which isn't good. At all.
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that isn't the actual springbonnie animatronic. we see springbonnie and fredbear on the stage at the same time we see afton throw a mask on an employee, so either the animatronic was in two spots at once or they had costumes in addition to the animatronics
why would it need many small pieces? for all we know the springlock suits had just as many animatronic parts as the other animatronics, the only difference is that these parts could be held back by the springlocks. that wouldn't require all the metal to be divided up, it would just require extra space in the suit. yes there were many springlocks but there's no reason to believe each springlock held its own piece, multiple springlocks could hold one part as well
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So you think William dies because... of what? Unless you want to start going off the rails, Afton can fit very well into the original Spring Bonnie suit, so either every human in the series are 7-8 foot tall giants or the animatronics aren't 8-9 feet tall. I'm not denying there likely were suits, I'm just saying that William more than likely used the old Spring Bonnie animatronic for his purposes
Unless Afton is such a massive stick of a man that his proportions being just a bit smaller than the Spring Bonnie suit is somehow inaccurate, them animatronic parts need to be in small pieces to get out of the way, and even saying that one springlock can hold multiple pieces doesn't work, since the springlocks themselves would have to be small enough and numerous enough to get all the pieces out of the way.
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did i not already explain that the suit was much larger than its wearer due to the animatronic parts inside? did i not expain that springbonnie is significantly shorter than fredbear?
oh wait you're talking about fnaf 3 lol i thought you were talking about fnaf 4
yeah the minigames in fnaf 3 are still very vague if not metaphorical and leave out a lot of details, unlike fnaf 4 where everything is portrayed literally
no they don't
so? the springlocks themselves don't affect the durability of the actual animatronic suit, that's determined by the endoskeleton
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