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I also think it's logical, starting from the point that the anime's author himself stated that he would add information in dialogues/fights
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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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You're misrepresenting my postsPurgy misrepresenting Kubo's involvement in the anime and on some weird pre copium for an anime downgrade that doesn't existwe shall cross the bridge if we get to it
So you're saying we should flip-flop our stance on the canonicity of the anime depending on if it makes characters weaker or stronger instead of just making a resolute decision before it happens? That doesn't seem to make much sense, we should preferably decide before it happens so as not to seem hyprocritical when it does.
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I believe that we will only have an answer to this question when the entire arc is adapted.You're misrepresenting my posts
So you're saying we should flip-flop our stance on the canonicity of the anime depending on if it makes characters weaker or stronger instead of just making a resolute decision before it happens? That doesn't seem to make much sense, we should preferably decide before it happens so as not to seem hyprocritical when it does.
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No I'm saying there is no one glove fits all for determining which takes precedence between mediums. You keep saying manga is always more canon than anime, but that is just not inherently true whatsoever. It depends on the case we are looking at. If Kubo decides he wants to entirely change the Bleach ending (I really doubt he will, but hypothetically), then his most recent version would best reflect his vision. And in that case the new anime ending would be more canon.You're misrepresenting my posts
So you're saying we should flip-flop our stance on the canonicity of the anime depending on if it makes characters weaker or stronger instead of just making a resolute decision before it happens? That doesn't seem to make much sense, we should preferably decide before it happens so as not to seem hyprocritical when it does.
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I admit that an anime could in theory be more canon than the manga it's based on, but in 99.999% of cases this isn't true, I don't know of a single manga that was considered secondary to an anime adapted from it, do you?
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Personally no i don't.
New feats and abilities that are anime exclusives shouldn't be used for the manga.
The best i would use the anime for manga material would be timeframes for some events.
Edit : I don't care wichever we end up considering as more canon. My point is that they should be kept separated, because they are different things.
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I’m sure a similar case exists. I don’t care to search for it, I don’t scale a lot outside Bleach.
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Fairy Tail
Hiro said so many times in his Volume QnAs that the anime contains further information and scenes to explain loopholes and off-panel fights or discussions in the manga.
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That's not what Arc's arguing though, neither of us have an issue with the Bleach anime being used to clarify things or expand on fights, Arc wants to pretty much rely entirely on the anime and consider that as the primary canon and Kubo's true work, Fairy Tail is nothing like that, the anime isn't more canon than the manga at all nor is it treated as such here.
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No, I’m saying if anime retcons a scene, we go with the anime. Like if the anime changes up some of the later fights, we go with the anime version.
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Which is what I just said
You want to consider the anime as more canon than the manga in regards to TYBW as you've said many, many times recently
Difference here is that Kubo is the one writing the scripts that distinction doesn’t exist here. Kubo isn’t doing the direct animating but Kubo is still in charge of making all the executive story decisions. The anime very much can be a higher canon, let’s say Kubo does decide to change something in the anime because he didn’t like how it was portrayed in the manga, the anime adaptation of his vision would be the higher canonicity as it better reflects Kubo’s vision. Just because it’s anime doesn’t mean its inherently a lesser canon.
Those two instances aren’t comparable. Oda isn’t nearly as involved in the OP anime as Kubo. If a scene is changed in the anime from manga it would have been changed because Kubo himself greenlit the change.
I never made such an objective claim
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Yes as in Kubo’s newest rendition of a fight or a scene > his older renditionWhich is what I just said
You want to consider the anime as more canon than the manga in regards to TYBW as you've said many, many times recently
I’ve said that ad nauseam
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Yes, so as I said, IMade's Fairy Tail comparison isn't comparable to that, not once was the Fairy Tail anime treated as a higher canon than the manga, nor did Hiro Mashima come out and say that the anime reflected his vision more than the manga and that it should take priority for example.Yes as in Kubo’s newest rendition of a fight or a scene > his older rendition
The TYBW anime adding things, extending fight scenes and showing new abilities is fine, retroactively changing the outcome of fights or crucial points in the plot etc isn't and shouldn't be used in my opinion.
We already discussed this so I know what your stance is, I'm just pointing out that the Fairy Tail example isn't comparable
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I don’t know why you’re so against the anime being primarily canon when Kubo himself said he is involved in every step of the process.
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I mean he does supersede the Director though when it comes to the story. How else would we get new contents? The Director will obviously have to ask him for it.
Also cutting content would also have to be decided by Kubo too. We all know when it comes to anything Bleach Kubo is stern about it.
Also cutting content would also have to be decided by Kubo too. We all know when it comes to anything Bleach Kubo is stern about it.
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Kubo gives them ideas (stated in his interview) and the director/other staff decide if they're going to include it...this is why I said Kubo is essentially just a strong advisor, having a lot of sway in the direction the anime takes but at the end it's still up to the director and other staff.
Kubo doesn't need to give someone ideas and hope they incorporate it for the manga, he just has to write and draw it himself as he's literally the author, this is why the anime will always be a lower canon in my opinion as the manga is Kubo in complete control and the anime is Kubo in very questionable control.
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Well, lets agree to disagree. From what Kubo said it'll be adapted faithfully so I don't think there'll be big changes that literally changes the story - only additional and extended stuff.
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Sincerely? I believe that in addition to extending some fights, showing certain bankais (maybe) the main thing that Kubo will change will be the final fight with Yhwach and Ishida's arrow. I believe that everything else won't see lane changes just content additions in fights. Apart from the ending that I believe adapts the novel about Rukia and Renji's wedding
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I think that if something that contradict the manga will pop up it either will be explained in the anime (so we can use it) or Kubo will tell us it in the Q&A, but I don’t think it will ever happen.but if it is a bit random and quick, we should be careful and maybe wait to use it.
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Ummmmm Yamamoto vs SPSM Naruto might be interesting if you use the planetary meta for both.
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Haki isn't durability negation. It just attacks your internals. You have to prove it can harm uryu's internals
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Rules Regarding Reaction Speed and Scaling
- Reaction speed has both a distance and a timeframe component, so all calculations that are completed for reaction speed cannot simply be a timeframe by itself. Do not randomly assume a 1 meter distance for each timeframe and use that speed for the reaction speed. Other way around, perception time is just a timeframe and by that not proportional to a speed value alone. Do not assume that a character with a certain speed will have a perception time of 1 meter divided by that speed. Such calculations need a feat that demonstrates perception time and a suitable distance determined from that feat.
- If only a timeframe is known (for example, characters who do not need to move to attack or defend), then they should get a perception speed rating in line with the table below.
- If character A can blitz character B, A's movement speed may be scaled to B's reaction speed.
- If character A is considered an equal in combat to character B, then reaction speed may be scaled if there is no discrepancies or showings that suggest the opposite.
- All other scalings of reaction speed are circumstancial and must be discussed with the staff
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