Arceus hax reinstatement

[Hasty12345]

That's false. What I mentioned in OP was ignored.

In fact, go back to check my message wall. Agnaa deadass says "i disagree.... " without stating why, and everything was rushed for a close

I literally do not care about what Agnaa said. Maybe you're the one ignoring arguments.

 

[ImmortalDread]

This is the entire thread. Also minor correction, it's 9 pages and not 10.

You can read the entire thing if you want, but that may be considered a form of torture.

This is indeed a form of torture
If you know the counterarguments to OP content, drop it here, tho.

 

[InfiniteDay]

That's false. What I mentioned in OP was ignored.

In fact, go back to check my message wall. Agnaa deadass says "i disagree.... " without stating why, and everything was rushed for a close

Please refer to the 9 pages of discussion that took well over a week to finish.

Also about the Agnaa situation, you misrepresented his vote when he said he disagreed. You cannot be talking about Agnaa lmfao

 

[Sniper670]

This



And the counter arguments

The quote says the pokemon gets its energy from its armor. That null and voids your plate argument completely. The plates do not bestow pokemon their powers.

and now you’re trying argue that because the plates are imbued with essence of types (not that they are the essence of types mind you) arceus should be able to do everything.

but it has already been decided, that based on actual showings, not your personal conjectures, that Arceus can change his type with the plates and use the moves of the types. He does not get the abilities of all pokemon, just the ones he has been shown to have, and he does not get the powers of pokemon and non-pokemon that do not come from specific moves.

stop drawing this out.

Decide for yourself

 

[Sniper670]

Please refer to the 9 pages of discussion that took well over a week to finish.

Also about the Agnaa situation, you misrepresented his vote when he said he disagreed. You cannot be talking about Agnaa lmfao

Okay. And the argument I made rn in the op was something Agnaa never addressed. And yet, the thread was rushed for a close

 

[InfiniteDay]

Okay. And the argument I made rn in the op was something Agnaa never addressed. And yet, the thread was rushed for a close

9 pages.

 

[ImmortalDread]

9 pages.

Was it addressed or not? If yes, mind linking the counterargument?

 

[Arceus0x]

This is the entire thread. Also minor correction, it's 9 pages and not 10.

You can read the entire thing if you want, but that may be considered a form of torture.

yeah, that's the issue, this is a form of torture and if we base our thoughts on agreements/disagreements that are either acurate or inaccurate then the CRT will be BS. At the given moment i see no issue in just revisiting the issue in a more organized manner instead of rushing everyone with random disagreements. What was discussed there isn't common knowledge like some dbz crts that keep getting brought up for example.

 

[Sniper670]

This



And the counter arguments




Decide for yourself

@Dread

 

[Chariot190]

Could all of you cease with the incessant bickering?

Either 1. Get the thread closed.
Or 2. Debate the OP.
Or I guess 3 and just ignore it and have someone else deal with it.

All anyone is doing (Bar like 2-3 lads) is making this a complete repeat of last time, but worse because it's not even arguing about the contents of the OP, but arguing about what happened last time.
Hell a new thread might have had benefits in that everything was compiled and gathered in a concise manner at the very start, instead of leaked slowly over the course of hundreds of posts, but nobody here has done that.

 

[Sniper670]

I addressed it here

And you know what he told me afterwards? Nothing. He didn't even attempt to address it at all.

 

[Arceus0x]

Could all of you cease with the incessant bickering?

Either 1. Get the thread closed.
Or 2. Debate the OP.
Or I guess 3 and just ignore it and have someone else deal with it.

All anyone is doing is (Bar like 2-3 lads) making this a complete repeat of last time, but worse because it's not even arguing about the contents of the OP, but arguing about what happened last time.
Hell a new thread might have had benefits in that everything was compiled and gathered in a concise manner at the very start, instead of leaked slowly over the course of hundreds of posts, but nobody here has done that.

I just quit that thread at one point because it was a bunch of people complaining and barely making proper arguments. Half the pages are filled with arguing who voted for what

 

[PrinceofPein]

People states reasons for disagreement in the previous thread but sniper does not agree with them so he repeats again, then they went around in circles and then they started ignoring him.
So there were valid reasons for disagreements but sniper does not want to acknowledge it.

My two cents

 

[InfiniteDay]

yeah, that's the issue, this is a form of torture and if we base our thoughts on agreements/disagreements that are either accurate or inaccurate then the CRT will be BS. At the given moment i see no issue in just revisiting the issue in a more organized manner instead of rushing everyone with random disagreements. What was discussed there isn't common knowledge like some dbz crts that keep getting brought up for example.

Fair enough, guess we'll go for 11 pages time.

I'll ask some people from the last thread who know more about Pokemon than me for their thoughts on this. I'm still disagreeing with the CRT for now, but i'll try and be more open minded.

 

[Arceus0x]

Also i am indeed currently seeing people making barebones counterarguments and just saying "stop extending it" a lot. I ain't taking a proper side right now but i want to see an actual proper debunk instead of saying "no" with extra steps

 

[Sniper670]

People states reasons for disagreement in the previous thread but sniper does not agree with them so he repeats again, then they went around in circles and then they started ignoring him.
So there were valid reasons for disagreements but sniper does not want to acknowledge it.

My two cents

That's false, the argument I made in the OP rn is things they ignored

Check my message wall.

And even now, they've not attempted to address it at all.

 

[Hasty12345]

People states reasons for disagreement in the previous thread but sniper does not agree with them so he repeats again, then they went around in circles and then they started ignoring him.
So there were valid reasons for disagreements but sniper does not want to acknowledge it.

My two cents

this^^^^^^^

 

[Arceus0x]

People states reasons for disagreement in the previous thread but sniper does not agree with them so he repeats again, then they went around in circles and then they started ignoring him.
So there were valid reasons for disagreements but sniper does not want to acknowledge it.

My two cents

and despite that i see some arguments form him that weren't properly adressed. I'd say both sides are at fault here, not just sniper.

 

[PrinceofPein]

That's false, the argument I made in the OP rn is things they ignored

Check my message wall.

And even now, they've not attempted to address it at all.

You made it sound like agnaa just said "I disagree" but that's not true
You only see what you want to see I guess
Here is what he said.

And as I said, the "power of all things" is a bad translation; it's better translated as "imbued with the essence of all creation", as the official translation does.

And as I said, that's a clear reference to how the other specific plates refer to how they've been imbued with elements, like the water-type one being "imbued with the essence of water". It doesn't actually mean that Arceus has the powers of all things, it just means that it's imbued with a wide variety of things from creation.

You cannot just say that you "proved me wrong" to decide that my vote should now count as a disagree.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

I agree

 

[Sniper670]

You made it sound like agnaa just said "I disagree" but that's not true
You only see what you want to see I guess
Here is what he said.

After my counter argument

Jesus Christ now you're bringing up other whole new arguments.

I disagree, but I'm too busy to get in a pointless debate over this.

Iirc you state reasons. You cant just go I disagree and we move on

 

[Sniper670]

And the funny thing is that none of those who disagree with my proposal have made any attempts at addressing it

 

[InfiniteDay]

And the funny thing is that none of those who disagree with my proposal have made any attempts at addressing it

I'm currently in the process of notifying people about this CRT, so hold on.

Edit: I notified some people who participated alot in the last CRT on both sides of the isle, feel free to notify more people if you want.

 

[Sniper670]

Sure.

Added some things to the OP under : Additional Stuff as well.

 

[Chariot190]

Dark Matter is literally using darkness to attack, and guess who has the essence of it, Arceus that's who. Dark Matter was born of negative emotions.. Well guess who else was born of negative emotions, Sandygast and Banette that's who

A̵r̵e̵n̵'̵t̵ ̵i̵t̵s̵ ̵a̵t̵t̵a̵c̵k̵s̵ ̵a̵c̵t̵u̵a̵l̵l̵y̵ ̵t̵r̵e̵a̵t̵e̵d̵ ̵a̵s̵ ̵T̵y̵p̵e̵l̵e̵s̵s̵

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

At this point chilling in the distortion world with Giratina sounds like paradise compared to major Pokémon CRTs.

Overall I'm still neutral on this subject since I'm still iffy on using spinoff content (even if it's just supporting evidence) plus the original CRT did indeed have an unceremonious conclusion (even now the Arceus profile is still a mess) before all my concerns were addressed, so I'm honestly hesitant to further participate in this type of discussion.

Btw keep off the cheap shots and gaslighting and let's just get it over and done with already. I personally don't want to participate anymore than necessary.

 

[Sniper670]

A̵r̵e̵n̵'̵t̵ ̵i̵t̵s̵ ̵a̵t̵t̵a̵c̵k̵s̵ ̵a̵c̵t̵u̵a̵l̵l̵y̵ ̵t̵r̵e̵a̵t̵e̵d̵ ̵a̵s̵ ̵T̵y̵p̵e̵l̵e̵s̵s̵

And my bad, they are Typeless

But so is Burnup which makes Pokémon Typeless and Moves like Doom Desire which is Typeless move as well.

But that won't stop Arceus Plates from lol noping them on all account everything is related to them.

 

[Sniper670]

At this point chilling in the distortion world with Giratina sounds like paradise compared to major Pokémon CRTs.

Overall I'm still neutral on this subject since I'm still iffy on using spinoff content (even if it's just supporting evidence) plus the original CRT did indeed have an unceremonious conclusion (even now the Arceus profile is still a mess) before all my concerns were addressed, so I'm honestly hesitant to further participate in this type of discussion.

Btw keep off the cheap shots and gaslighting and let's just get it over and done with already. I personally don't want to participate anymore than necessary.

Sorry man

 

[Moritzva]

The conclusion of the last thread was that Arceus still had everything, we just changed the reasoning a bit. No?

Like… did I miss anything? Because none of these arguments are new, and I will be closing this thread. The “energy = everything” argument was already brought up, and the counterpoints didn’t care about that whatsoever.

 

[ImmortalDread]

The conclusion of the last thread was that Arceus still had everything, we just changed the reasoning a bit. No?

Like… did I miss anything? Because none of these arguments are new, and I will be closing this thread. The “energy = everything” argument was already brought up, and the counterpoints didn’t care about that whatsoever.

Kinda unfair since the OP said that none really countered his arguments since no one addressed them. Unless they are addressed, drop them here.

 

[Sniper670]

The conclusion of the last thread was that Arceus still had everything, we just changed the reasoning a bit. No?

Like… did I miss anything? Because none of these arguments are new, and I will be closing this thread. The “energy = everything” argument was already brought up, and the counterpoints didn’t care about that whatsoever.

1. I didn't mention any energy here did I? Anything relating to energy I mentioned is Arceus having the essence of it and the Plates directly mentioning he has the power of everything. Please read the op and what I said.

2. Everything I mentioned was something that was ignored in order to rush the thread to the end. Also, Just look my message wall, I brought it up, Agnaa didn't address it and yet they ignored that and pushed the thread to a conclusion

3. Once again, you all fail to address the op while bringing up the last thread you also failed to address it as well.

 

[Thelastmlg]

Arceus still lacks the entries iirc, and sniper wants to argue non-pokemon stuff too

 

[Moritzva]

Kinda unfair since the OP said that none really countered his arguments since no one addressed them. Unless they are addressed, drop them here.

Just because the OP said something doesn't mean it didn't happen. The OP said it a million times on the last thread, making it last 10 pages.

The entire point is that you can't repeatedly ask for the same proof and reiterate arguments as infinitum until your opponent is too tired or isn't aware of your thread to do it anymore. That's not how a debate works. We had ten pages over the original thread, so read them.

 

[Sniper670]

I don't get it. Why aren't any of you addressing the argument presented and bringing up the old thread which didn't address the argument

What's the point of bringing it up. I don't get it

 

[Moritzva]

1. I didn't mention any energy here did I? Anything relating to energy I mentioned is Arceus having the essence of it and the Plates directly mentioning he has the power of everything. Please read the op and what I said.

2. Everything I mentioned was something that was ignored in order to rush the thread to the end. Also, Just look my message wall, I brought it up, Agnaa didn't address it and yet they ignored that and pushed the thread to a conclusion

3. Once again, you all fail to address the op while bringing up the last thread you also failed to address it as well.

"I didn't mention Energy"
"Anything related to energy I mentioned..."

So you mentioned energy.

If you're going to debate with me, at least don't contradict yourself a singular line after rebuking me. If you can't even portray your own OP correctly, how can you claim I didn't read it?

And, no, the previous thread did address it. To very briefly reiterate, energy doesn't matter because one of the most common arguments was that simply having the energy does not mean you are capable of every application. This was in the previous thread. You saw these arguments, and it went on for ten pages.

If you want more details, read the previous thread. If you can't bring up any other point that wasn't covered in the previous, 10-page long thread (because this certainly was), then I will close this thread.

 

[Moritzva]

And for the record, why are you even arguing this? Last time I checked, the consensus was to give Arceus everything for Cal's reasoning. What is even the purpose of continuing this debate? What do you want to accomplish?

 

[Sniper670]

So you mentioned energy.

If you're going to debate with me, at least don't contradict yourself a singular line after rebuking me. If you can't even portray your own OP correctly, how can you claim I didn't read it?

And, no, the previous thread did address it. To very briefly reiterate, energy doesn't matter because one of the most common arguments was that simply having the energy does not mean you are capable of every application. This was in the previous thread. You saw these arguments, and it went on for ten pages.

If you want more details, read the previous thread. If you can't bring up any other point that wasn't covered in the previous, 10-page long thread (because this certainly was), then I will close this thread.

Actually no? Because once you take a good look at what it says, it makes it clear that he has everything

レジェンドプレート
万物の力が宿った石盤。あるポケモンに使うと あらゆるタイプの力を得る。

legend plate

A stone slab that holds the power of all things. When used on a Pokemon, he gains all types of powers.

Agnaa didn't translate it and rather mentioned that it's a bad translation and that I should use what the official English version says. Wow?

Can I get a translation for this? Because if I get it correctly, it makes it clear he has the power of everything and that's supports what I said, that the energy that Pokémon use to use their powers have their essence in the plates, no?

If the plates says he has the power of all things, and each plates holds the essence of all Types, then why should Arceus not get powers of all Pokémon. This is a direct statement of him having all powers.

 

[Sniper670]

And for the record, why are you even arguing this? Last time I checked, the consensus was to give Arceus everything for Cal's reasoning. What is even the purpose of continuing this debate? What do you want to accomplish?

Because the only thing Arceus has now are moves and not other things Pokémon can do with the same energy that has the essence in the plates which are mentioned to have the powers of all things that, he, Arceus, can use

 

[Sniper670]

As I mentioned here, Pokémon biological makeup is formed around the Typings, so there's nothing they're doing that is independent of the Typings

Restricting Arceus powers to only moves is very arbitrary

 

[InfiniteDay]

Sniper, you got reported on the RVR just so you know.