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The justification is in the same comment you are replying to
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Yes, it is the Power Graph chart calculation
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They were directly in the center of their collision. Why wouldn't they?
The explosion also occurs right on top of them, Blast just holds it back and redirects it.
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Wouldn't each of them scale to half? They're on either side of the epicenter, so equal amounts of energy can't go in both directions.
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newton's third law
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They are in the epicenter, though? Like, where their fists connect, that's where all the energy is centralized at first. And their hands/arms don't seem to have taken any notable amount of damage.
Also, it seems weird to say they are to the side of the epicenter. The explosion isn't so small that like 2 meters apart is on an entirely different side of it.
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They both tanked the recoil with no damage. Saitama was then able to harm the same Garou that tanked SSSP^2 with ever hit, and Garou copied that strength.
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Their hands were literally in the epicenter of the explosion, and they weren't harmed, really.
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Someone can invite him here incase he has anything to say.
Also the explosion was even redirected in a specific direction so one of them would have had to have tanked that regardless.
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Dayum
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But he is right like the calculations are accurate. No excuse for not using it.Dayum
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Aside from the inherent possibility of the graph just being a qualitative representation, instead of a quantitative one, the manga isn't clear on which stat this applies to at all. We require a clear statement that this is for attack power only. (honestly that the page says his abilities (plural) were rising exponentially gives me no confidence in that anyways)
So IMO needs more clarity to get accepted by our standards.
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Unless the explosion was literally inside their bodies to start with, they would tank around 50% of it with it dispersing towards both of them
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"So strong! He's limitlessly strong...!!" (We later this is in reference to Saitama's rise shown in the graph)
"I'm countering him with just as much power... but the next attack hits even harder."(Self explanatory)
"His rate of growth, which has gone unnoticed by anyone since there was nobody remotely on par with his strength... suddenly began to soar exponentially..." (Talking about how since nobody was as strong as Saitama, they never saw how fast he was growing)
"There was nobody left... to measure what level Saitama's strength had reached." (Talks directly about Saitama's strength)
"That punch, abnormally powered up on a moon of Jupiter. Went back in time. And landed before it was thrown." (Talking about Saitama's punch/strength that was powered up on Io)
"... A punch with enough power to even put that baldy to shame..." (Garou directly talking about how Saitama's current strength is vastly more powerful than pre-Io Saitama's"
Surely this is more than enough.
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strength
punches hit harder
it would eventually kill him
strength (again)
I think it's extraordinarily clear what it is referring to, only backed up further by garou visibly getting annihilated
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as for other stats
it's impossible for it to being referring to only speed, the serious sneeze clearly shows Garou dodging the attack, but the narration uses it as evidence that Garou was no longer able to hold his own against saitama
obviously that scene doesn't depict skill and intelligence, or lifting strength
so even by process of elimination it's impossible for it to not be AP and Dura
it's impossible for it to being referring to only speed, the serious sneeze clearly shows Garou dodging the attack, but the narration uses it as evidence that Garou was no longer able to hold his own against saitama
obviously that scene doesn't depict skill and intelligence, or lifting strength
so even by process of elimination it's impossible for it to not be AP and Dura
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That and the fact that the graph was being shown only when garou was having the whole monologue about his strength. Its blatantly obvious what stat they were referring too.
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I think that those statements are sufficient, yeah.
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Agreed FRA
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I wont won't spam quotes since others have, but the graph gives hard dots about where Garou and Saitama are in terms of power. Because of that we can qualify relative distance between those dots and get a bare minimum for how much higher one dot is from another.
So the Y-Axis does not need to be filled in order for the numbers to work.
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Having it inside your body is one way. Another way is covering it up with your hands or body (To act as a sacrificial barrier), taking the bomb exploding right underneath your feet or ass or having it explode in your face/torso while the bomb itself is smaller than you (While also bearhugging it) without giving the explosion much leeway to disperse in any other direction other than yourself.
The punch thing is weird, though, because it isn't an omnidirectional explosion per se, but a beam. Which apparently, would have more firepower according to a certain formula if legend is to be believed it exists.
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I am entirely against. The graph has no units whatsoever. You can argue what you think makes the most sense but there is no objective way to determine what an increase of one square represents.
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It's basic math
If the distance between 0 and a point is half the distance between 0 and another point, then the other point is doubled
Units are completely irrelevant here.
Let's use one of your examples
Maybe one square actually represents 5 million units of something
Wow, if you go up a second square you get 10 million, it still doubled! If one square represented half of some mystery unit, then 2 squares would be one full one….wow, that's doubled! Of course, without units on the graph, we can't just count how many units stronger he got, but we know what it was multiplied by.
When X is unknown, X + 5 is unknown too
But what you don't get is that x * 5 is 5x regardless of what X is, but in this situation, X happens to be the serious punch squared value as it is the start of the graph and the start of the fight, we know this because the graph represents Saitama's exponential growth, which didn't kick in too much long after the fight since he'd been blitzing him since chapter 166, right after the fight started, so no you are not going to sit here and argue that we don't have a starting point
Additionally, let's realize that this was made by an author, I'm going to take a leap and presume that this author wouldn't make the graph have all these hidden complexities for no reason and then just not tell the reader about them.
Also, the highlighted white line represents zero. It has absolutely no point in being there other than being 0, and it's not contradictory, since Saitama and Garou's lines never reach 0 at all. Additionally, again, why would they make a line that looks and acts like zero, and then not tell the audience about the hidden complexity they put in the graph for no reason?
In conclusion, math by @ZillertheBucko
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I don’t think this has any bearing on the current scaling for the graph though? Since the multipliers that have been determined aren’t as a result of any unit on the graph but more as a result of how the graph starts from the strength they had at the SP^2, which is then on used to determine the 58 x increase in strength.
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To be fair, it was originally an omnidirectional blast, it’s just that Blast and gang changed the vectors to make it into a beam.
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one square is unknown
2 squares is.... twice as much as one square! Holy shit, we just made a multiplier!!!!!!!!!
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Anyways, calc gets accepted when?one square is unknown
2 squares is.... twice as much as one square! Holy shit, we just made a multiplier!!!!!!!!!
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It seems that most people including calc members are in agreement wirh the surplus of evidence for it, so it should probably go through.
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Huh. Weird.
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Yap.
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Because it shows Garou as an equal of Saitama at the beginning
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No sitting on top of it would still have half the force going towards the ground
Two people cannot tank the full force of an explosion at the same time, it is literally impossible
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Because the x axis represents time and the dots represent points where Garou copied Saitama in that confrontation. Since the period of time between certain instances of Garou copying Saitama was very, very short we can easily discern that the amount of time the entire graph covers is short enough that it could only have really been plotting the part of the fight in chapter 168.
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More often than not the damage to the ground is not shown or depicted except in the case of craters (But those are a different story) so that is ignored for the most part.
Those two people are the explosion source tho, their punches cause it, they'd need to survive the recoil of their own punch + that of the other guy punching into their fist. Boxers train their hands first to survive their own punches for a reason. It ain't even an epicenter-related question anymore.
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Because Saitama time travel after Garou gives him the ability to do so when the fight was over.
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because the growth was activated by a surge of emotions, which obviously was when he killed genos
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Ngl, Saitama was angered before that statement. Don’t think it has directed tied to just Geno’s dying though
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