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Could this be used for an upgrade? (Spy x Family Chapter 65)

Yor has always been stronger and faster than Loid, taking out opponents that he could not react to, accidently knocking him out with one-taps, and nearly killing him while on a drunk outburst.
You're misconstruing my point, I never at one point said Loid was stronger than yor. If you simply look at the manga then its clear that they start off closer than they are now. That's the whole point, current yor is shown to blitz loid while a previous yor is only marginally stronger and faster then him
 
You're misconstruing my point, I never at one point said Loid was stronger than yor. If you simply look at the manga then its clear that they start off closer than they are now. That's the whole point, current yor is shown to blitz loid while a previous yor is only marginally stronger and faster then him
A-are we reading the same series? Beginning of series Yor literally nearly killed Loid while drunk? In fact what is this progression nonsense? This is not Naruto, Yor did not undergo any powerups, like what??
 
It's not. She was overwhelming him and Yor literally could do nothing but put up his arms to block, he can't react to her, he can't attack back, he can't do anything and was going to die in just a few hits.

That's not relative.
That is relative in this context as i said previously. Relativity is contextual, I used the term relative to show the massive increases in strength from Yor over time. Yor vs fiona is an example. Yor is simply shown to do far better against characters like loid later in the manga than their brief scuffle
 
A-are we reading the same series? Beginning of series Yor literally nearly killed Loid while drunk? In fact what is this progression nonsense? This is not Naruto, Yor did not undergo any powerups, like what??
D-did you not read what i said? i gotta put it simply then. Yor did not blitz loid in the beginning, later, yor blitzes loid. Now what does that mean? Loid got weaker? or did yor get faster? or is it just inconsistent? ask yourself

I'm not saying yor went through any power ups, unless you think she got a permanent mental amp from the cruise which is implied in the newest chapter. I'm simple saying. she isnt as strong as she was before, cause shes stronger
 
Yor is the physical god tier of the series. There is literally no one stronger than her OUTSIDE OF 1 SPECULATIVE case (Being Yor's boss, The Shopkeeper). Yor literally defines what feats happen in the series. We are not talking about random human levels performing wacky clown feats, we are talking about a walking catastrophee, whose whole gimmick is "How can I solve issues without violence".
But... I never said that gag feats being gag feats should ever be a reason to dismiss feats, and I made that comment before seeing that other 8-B feats exist.
 
That is relative in this context as i said previously. Relativity is contextual, I used the term relative to show the massive increases in strength from Yor over time. Yor vs fiona is an example. Yor is simply shown to do far better against characters like loid later in the manga than their brief scuffle
Fiona isn't on par with Loid, he is the greatest spy in the field by a large margin.

You can make a Accelerated Development CRT for her, but drop it here. Nothing to do with the OP
 
D-did you not read what i said? i gotta put it simply then. Yor did not blitz loid in the beginning, later, yor blitzes loid. Now what does that mean? Loid got weaker? or did yor get faster? or is it just inconsistent? ask yourself
******* neither maybe? Like where the **** did Yor blitz Fiona??? Their Tennis shuffle??? The same match where Fiona catched the ******* ball despite being flabbergasted by Yor's feat? When did Loid get blitzed??
 
******* neither maybe? Like where the **** did Yor blitz Fiona??? Their Tennis shuffle??? The same match where Fiona catched the ******* ball despite being flabbergasted by Yor's feat? When did Loid get blitzed??
thats not what i was referring to but this is getting derailed so lets end it here
 
But... I never said that gag feats being gag feats should ever be a reason to dismiss feats, and I made that comment before seeing that other 8-B feats exist.
Bad quote on my end, sorry. Was just explaining that Yor's own feats can't be outliers as she basically is the character that sets up what is consistent and possible in the first place.
 
still haven't proved that other tier 8 feats exist. are you planning on skipping around that the whole time, lyric.
It depends on how you calc the car feat, I think it has it listed as 9-A on yor's page. But I've seen other calcs ranging from 8-C to 8-B. If you want I can go try to find those. I think all they did was tweak the current 9-A calc to be more "realistic" to yor's strength and speed.
 
So essentially, there weren't any other concrete Tier 8 feats?
yea, she didn't do anything massive. It's just different versions of the car feat getting her there. They go under the presumption that the kicking speed for yor in the 9-A calc is far too low (which it is). So they raised to what they think would fit better. I think the put her casual kicking speed at around mach 1-3 and that's how they got those higher levels. But my contention is that if the car was really kicked at mach 3 then it surely would've broken the pole it hit.
 
If this calc for ap or even just speed gets accepted then I don't see a point to do that. If I do and it gets accepted, it literally changes nothing
Giving Yor an Accelerated Development hax is relevant as we have to accurately index a character's capabilities. Again, I don't believe she has it, but you cannot used an argument that's not currently accepted in the profiles
 
Giving Yor an Accelerated Development hax is relevant as we have to accurately index a character's capabilities. Again, I don't believe she has it, but you cannot used an argument that's not currently accepted in the profiles
I didn't even know that was a hax that could be given.
 
Can you not listen to the clearly ignorant member? I already answered your question coherently a bit above.
Ignorant member? yea sure, it's not like I've been scaling yor to city block and MSH since before this chapter. Of course that was rat and "debate bro" (the speed portion) but calling someone ignorant while not knowing their arguments is being ignorant in itself.

anyways this has been derailed. no more of this
 
Ignorant member? yea sure, it's not like I've been scaling yor to city block and MSH since before this chapter. Of course that was rat and "debate bro" (the speed portion) but calling someone ignorant while not knowing their arguments is being ignorant in itself.

anyways this has been derailed. no more of this
Do not try to justify your wank in the past based on one feat that justifies the rating.

You're failing to state which feats are 8-B and MHS before this one, which is a relevant topic to the OP. Yor stopping the car is 9-A at best, likely going to be downgraded to 9-B+ after the anime comes around. And her best feat is Hypersonic. (although it's by outscaling a Supersonic+ so hard it's sad)
 
Do not try to justify your wank in the past based on one feat that justifies the rating.

You're failing to state which feats are 8-B and MHS before this one, which is a relevant topic to the OP. Yor stopping the car is 9-A at best, likely going to be downgraded to 9-B+ after the anime comes around. And her best feat is Hypersonic. (although it's by outscaling a Supersonic+ so hard it's sad)
I already said I don't want this to be derailed further. I'm willing to discuss this but not here. Also at best 9-A???? No that calc is wrong simply because its such a massive lowball that it isn't even usable. I already explained 8-B yor within my responses and even explained why its not the best of calcs but still better than 9-A.

I dont think its relevant to the OP, why is it relevant here? just cause its another 8-B calc, it has the same problems as the 9-A calc and I already said that. I explained the 8-B calc and everything to that other dude.
 
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I already said I don't want this to be derailed further. I'm willing to discuss this but not here. Also at best 9-A???? No that calc is wrong simply because its such a massive lowball that it isn't even usable. I already explained 8-B yor within my responses and even explained why its not the best of calcs but still better than 9-A.

why is it relevant here? just cause its another 8-B calc, it has the same problems as the 9-A calc and I already said that. I explained the 8-B calc and everything to that other dude.
"The calc is wrong because other ones have a higher result", gotcha.
It's 9-A at best if you remove the wank.

It's relevant because consistency. What was the MHS feat before this one?
 
"The calc is wrong because other ones have a higher result", gotcha.
It's 9-A at best if you remove the wank.

It's relevant because consistency. What was the MHS feat before this one?
No, I never said that. that's simply a strawman. I'm not justifying the higher calcs by saying the lower one is wrong. If I was I wouldn't even be giving contentions with the 8-B one. I even said having mach 3 in that calc is wank.

I'm gonna explain it here quickly, my problem with the 9-A calc is that it assumes yor's kicking speed is the fastest kick in the world. When that seems super inconsistent within the series. We see yor having done subsonic to supersonic feats. Even arguably a high hypersonic kick because in the manga she kicks at loid and pierced the air but thats up to debate since the anime shows it differently. I think using the world record kick is far too low and wouldn't work within the series consistency wise

My problems with the 8-B calc is that they used mach 3 for her kick and tried to justify it. But if she did kick the car at mach 3 then it just feels weird for the pole not to break. So i dont think she kicked it at mach 3 but she definitely kicked it faster than what the 9-A calc said

The MHS thing was me being a rat and taking statements too literally "Yor is 100 times stronger and faster than loid" which is obviously hyperbole. I even said the MHS calc is bad earlier. This volleyball one is better


In conclusion, 9-A is too low (purely speed wise as it might be downgraded) and the 8-B calc seems too high. I merely brought up the 8-B calc to show that it can be consistently calculated that high. You even said that it's relevant and that i should show it even if i dont think its valid. Of course I have my problems with it. I dont know problems others may have with it. Maybe a car being hit at mach 3 wouldnt break a pole. I dont know, thats just a feeling to say it would.
 
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No, I never said that. that's simply a strawman. I'm not justifying the higher calcs by saying the lower one is wrong. If I was I wouldn't even be giving contentions with the 8-B one. I even said having mach 3 in that calc is wank.

I'm gonna explain it here quickly, my problem with the 9-A calc is that it assumes yor's kicking speed is the fastest kick in the world. When that seems super inconsistent within the series. We see yor having done subsonic to supersonic feats. Even arguably a high hypersonic kick because in the manga she kicks at loid and pierced the air but thats up to debate since the anime shows it differently. I think using the world record kick is far too low and wouldn't work within the series consistency wise

My problems with the 8-B calc is that they used mach 3 for her kick and tried to justify it. But if she did kick the car at mach 3 then it just feels weird for the pole not to break. So i dont think she kicked it at mach 3 but she definitely kicked it faster than what the 9-A calc said

The MHS thing was me being a rat and taking statements too literally "Yor is 100 times stronger and faster than loid" which is obviously hyperbole. I even said the MHS calc is bad earlier. This volleyball one is better


In conclusion, 9-A is too low (purely speed wise as it might be downgraded) and the 8-B calc seems too high. I merely brought up the 8-B calc to show that it can be consistently calculated that high. You even said that it's relevant and that i should show it even if i dont think its valid. Of course I have my problems with it. I dont know problems others may have with it. Maybe a car being hit at mach 3 wouldnt break a pole. I dont know, thats just a feeling to say it would.
So you want calc stacking, gotcha.

You also assume she kicked with all her speed for a casual feat for no reason, gotcha.

Nah, the fastest human kick is a decent assumption. 9-A is where the feat is at, and we're gonna substitute it for the Anime timeframe which will definitely bring the value down rather than up, so arguing kicking a car is Tier 8 will be utterly impossible.
 
Also, the very fact it didn't break the pole breaks the KE rule, so we have to use the drag coefficient for the feat which results in 9-B+, I will be recalculating this later on. I just need DT to confirm if launching projectiles at Hypersonic speeds can still have it's KE calculated.
 
So you want calc stacking, gotcha.

You also assume she kicked with all her speed for a casual feat for no reason, gotcha.

Nah, the fastest human kick is a decent assumption. 9-A is where the feat is at, and we're gonna substitute it for the Anime timeframe which will definitely bring the value down rather than up, so arguing kicking a car is Tier 8 will be utterly impossible.
Another strawman. What the hell are you doing? I’m not assuming she kicked it with all her strength either. If you actually read the manga you’d see she’s exerting herself far more than what she normally does. And those casual exertions are apparently Far above her actually exerting herself. You’ve fallen into a trap of calling the manga wrong because you FEEL and ASSUME so even though it’s blatantly untrue.

Ik the anime might downgrade it. I even said that, but for now the likely assumption would not be the worlds fastest kick. You have yet to substantiate that. Also no this does not fall under calc stacking. I’m not “using results from one calculation in order to calculate other feats.”
 
Also, the very fact it didn't break the pole breaks the KE rule, so we have to use the drag coefficient for the feat which results in 9-B+, I will be recalculating this later on. I just need DT to confirm if launching projectiles at Hypersonic speeds can still have it's KE calculated.
I literally verbatim said that. Omg, ur not reading what I said.

I literally brought up the pole as a defeater.

anyways having Yor at small building or wall is too inconsistent. It just wouldn’t make sense with this volleyball feat (which I’m pretty sure you said). Especially since she’s shown actually trying with the car and not the ball. Maybe this is just proof for accelerated development but i don’t really care if she has that hax
 
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I'm almost arguing for Tier 9 Yor out of spite, Lyric is legit annoying.
Another strawman. What the hell are you doing? I’m not assuming she kicked it with all her strength either. If you actually read the manga you’d see she’s exerting herself far more than what she normally does. And those casual exertions are apparently Far above her actually exerting herself. You’ve fallen into a trap of calling the manga wrong because you FEEL and ASSUME so even though it’s blatantly untrue.

Ik the anime might downgrade it. I even said that, but for now the likely assumption would not be the worlds fastest kick. You have yet to substantiate that. Also no this does not fall under calc stacking. I’m not “using results from one calculation in order to calculate other feats.”
She isn't. She never once implied she was exerting herself to a great extent during that chapter.

World's fastest kick is the safest assumption, either come up with something or stop whining. Better yet, shut up altogether.

I literally verbatim said that. Omg, ur not reading what I said.

I literally brought up the pole as a defeater.

anyways having Yor at small building or wall is too inconsistent. It just wouldn’t make sense with this volleyball feat (which I’m pretty sure you said). Especially since she’s shown actually trying with the car and not the ball. Maybe this is just proof for accelerated development but i don’t really care if she has that hax
We have multiple Tier 9 feats, and one Tier 8 feat, yet "Wall level" is the inconsistent rating, somehow.

You're funny, but no, I'm legit pissed, I won't argue for Tier 8 anymore, Yor is Small Building level.
 
I'm almost arguing for Tier 9 Yor out of spite, Lyric is legit annoying.
If anything you're the annoying one who isnt even reading
She isn't. She never once implied she was exerting herself to a great extent during that chapter.
The previous panels where she has a serious look on her face and the later panel after the kick is far more than the volleyball game.

I came here suggesting that the speed should be faster than the world record but slower than any significant mach percentage. not to give an actual suggestion for a new speed. simply pointing out flaws in both
We have multiple Tier 9 feats, and one Tier 8 feat, yet "Wall level" is the inconsistent rating, somehow.
You're seriously annoying rn, i dont wanna talk to you anymore because somehow some way you keep strawmanning me. How many times has it been? 3? If this is the side of small building yor then im not impressed

no i was not referring to ap feats, i was reffering to speed
You're funny, but no, I'm legit pissed, I won't argue for Tier 8 anymore, Yor is Small Building level.
I dont think you should be arguing tier 8 yor either, nor small building level. You dont have any good arguments and you strawman the positions of your opponent. I've seen you argue with other people before. You dont even read their replies and its ridiculous.

I bet if i asked you to tell me my position that you couldnt, plain and simple. Yor isnt small building level and nor is she city block by any calc besides arguably the ball one.

At the start I was once on your side but thats done now. I dont know why you simply cannot read or act civil in any sort of context but i am done. you have failed to substantiate anything. But going off of what you've done in the past im just gonna assume you're not gonna read this far. This whole time i've been civil and trying to reason with you. but no, as you made it clear you want to shut your ears and yell out random stuff that isnt even related
 
no i was not referring to ap feats, i was reffering to speed
anyways having Yor at small building or wall is too inconsistent.

I didn't know Small Building was a speed rating. 🤣

Either way, you can leave now, barking "This kicking speed is too low because ????????", isn't an argument. You're doing nothing but fill this thread with nonsense and whining aimed at nothing, you lie about points you made and then claim I'm strawmanning. If you don't have a concrete point, get out.

Don't talk to me again unless you have anything substantial to say. Annoying as hell.
 
I didn't know Small Building was a speed rating. 🤣

Either way, you can leave now, barking "This kicking speed is too low because ????????", isn't an argument. You're doing nothing but fill this thread with nonsense and whining aimed at nothing, you lie about points you made and then claim I'm strawmanning. If you don't have a concrete point, get out.

Don't talk to me again unless you have anything substantial to say. Annoying as hell.
I’m utterly speechless. I think you’re trolling, I’m a fool for falling to your troll. No all you do is strawman. You cannot debate and you take things out of context.

I was referring to consistency within speed not ap then later said Yor isn’t wall nor building level, that’s why I said ANYWAYS. You for some reason in your mind conflated the two and thought they were the same. Is English your first language? If it was then that’s fine. but man, if it was then you have no excuse.

I’ve already explained over 5 times why the speed for her kick is absolutely and undeniably too low to even THINK to be valid. I’ll do it again, and if you somehow cannot read it then I have no hope for this website.

the consistent feats for yor, not including calcs, is transonic to supersonic. No calcs, no heavy thinking, and nothing much required for that conclusion. I’m not saying to use those values but the world record isn’t even coming close to that. That’s all, the world record is so low that it isn’t even plausible. Now, I can make an argument for why you shouldnt use it. But since it’s not my position I’m not. I hope you have the brain capacity to do so

it’s not that I don’t have a concrete point, it’s that you have just failed to respond to anything I’ve said. Then you lie and say I’ve never said it. More proof for why you don’t read my replies

you have provided nothing substantial in this argument at all. You make up my points and then attack a non existent argument as you even do here. You literally said “I didn’t know small building was a speed tier” and just prove to everyone that you do not read what I say.

you are genuinely worse than most tik tok commenters. At least they have the capacity to even read and either don’t respond, or at least try to come up with some cohesive argument. You don’t make an attempt at all.

you are doing nothing here but embarrassing yourself. So stop, go attack someone else’s argument with strawmans. I didnt even wanna get into it as i said so long ago, but you just kept wanting to. now this thread has completely been derailed

I am not responding anymore even if you do have an actual argument which i doubt you would provide
 
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You guys are at each others throat because of ******* Spy x Family, get your act together.

KLOL, could you pretty please put your version of the calc into a blog to make it useable please? And Charmander, did you calc the crater feat? It may be a more solid 9A feat than what we currently have. Anything beyond that is a waste of time
 
We currently rate Loid to be someone weaker than Yor, but still comparable. So well, 8-B Loid?

I have not read the thread, so possibly the calculation is currently rejected
 
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