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I'm asking what makes it conceptual hax?
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Regarding Flashes durability
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Because forces, quantum realm, and emotion entities are conceptual in nature
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So if it's hax why would it be listed as Environmental Destruction?
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That's just for additional context for the next part... Cause you kinda need some context for the tore the multiverse apart bit. I am open to rewording suggestions
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I don't there is much context to it beyond tearing the multiverse apart? At least from the last time I read it.
Also it shouldn't be "Varies with speed" but rather "At least Solar System with Speed, Strength and Sage Force"
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I don't see the issue with keeping this bit of context. Seems harmless at worst
As for the second, probably ye.
As for the second, probably ye.
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Anyway, have applied the changes to Hunter's file
Also, where is the at least 4-B stuff coming from? That implies he is close to 4-A, which is hundreds of billions of times higher than their current accepted calc.
Also, where is the at least 4-B stuff coming from? That implies he is close to 4-A, which is hundreds of billions of times higher than their current accepted calc.
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Him one shotting Superman, Wondie and such. However, if that's not enough for At least than removing it if is fine ig.
Also I dunno how much it's worth, but a weakened, not holding back Barry was able to send the Black Flash to the ground and described it as "Felt like punching Darkseid", though the Black Flash didn't really get harmed by him (Source: The Flash (2016) #76). This is the same Black Flash who could go toe to toe with Hunter Zolomon with all 4 forces.
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Also I think Zoom should get "higher with all 4 Forces" as Hunter needed all 4 of them in order to take down the Black Flash
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darkseid just slightly upscales from superman and them lot. At least the DS Flash has memory of. So, still doesn't grant anything beyond their current tier
Yeah, tho we first need to find some durability stuff for black flash... Plus taking down could be more of a hax thing rather than AP thing too.
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Eh.... The entire fight Hunter was throwing hands with the Black Flash. I doubt it's a hax thing.
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He was. But considering how he was controlling the forces, what if he had weakened him? Especially since he had brought him to another force domain. If you look at the third scan, Barry says how they are stuck in the forever force domain and whatnot.
In any case, i would rather not slap higher on him unless we find some durability feats/statements for Black Flash.
In any case, i would rather not slap higher on him unless we find some durability feats/statements for Black Flash.
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That seems fine to me, but the image needs to be sufficiently large/have a high enough resolution.I'd also like to change Wally's main render to this:
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I think we all done here, at least I know I am, but will see if Emirp has anything he wants to add.
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There's still this. This should be the last thing. Anything else, I'll just try cover in another CRT.
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As mentioned, you can't get a far higher rating for something like this. Since they all scale to the same calc.
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Then would just "higher" work?
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There is no need to higher imo. You can literally lump the description in his main 4B justification.
Solar System level (Comparable if not superior to Barry. Superior to his Post-Crisis self. Could contend with Flash War Hunter Zolomon, who one-shot the entire justice league. Alongside Barry Allen, he shattered Green Lantern’s construct and nearly destroyed his ring)
These are literally in the same tier and not much higher than the value they scale to.
Solar System level (Comparable if not superior to Barry. Superior to his Post-Crisis self. Could contend with Flash War Hunter Zolomon, who one-shot the entire justice league. Alongside Barry Allen, he shattered Green Lantern’s construct and nearly destroyed his ring)
These are literally in the same tier and not much higher than the value they scale to.
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Eh? The feat only happens when they are doing the Low 1-C environmental destruction feat. This isn't their normal cap of power.
And I dunno how I feel about us putting Flash > Superman
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I mean the varied mechanism takes care of that tho...
Also, hunter didn't one shot them all at once, he went to each one separately and punched and they went down - which has way too much wrong with it and is the most event feat you can get.
Also, hunter didn't one shot them all at once, he went to each one separately and punched and they went down - which has way too much wrong with it and is the most event feat you can get.
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I never said Hunter one shot all of them at once. I'm saying that I think it's iffy if we put Flash's normal cap at one shot level above Superman for instance.
But I suppose the "Varies" covers it I guess.
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The thing is, they literally all scale to the same value. So that's why I don't think higher is warranted.
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I don't think that's how higher works? Like if person had an attack that one shots person B (Who's equal to person A) and they both scale to like 10 Megatons, than Person A would get "7-B, higher with one shot attack."
Regardless, I guess the "Varies" thing does cover it.
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Ehh...
Anyway, if Superman's keys thing goes through, both will get higher rating. Cause that superman is at least 2x times stronger if not more.
Anyway, if Superman's keys thing goes through, both will get higher rating. Cause that superman is at least 2x times stronger if not more.
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So there's nothing left to do then. Should I close the thread?
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Yeah sure. We can handle that upgrade separately when superman's page gets updated
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Aight
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