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Scaling to Outerversal

Meez

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Is transcending the concepts of time and space still enough to get too the Outerversal tier?
 
Meez said:
Is transcending the concepts of time and space still enough to get too the Outerversal tier?
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No, the site nuked the conceptual thing being special long ago, at best you get Low 1-C from this
 
Cat said:
Depends on the context but you can probably atleast reach L1-A if you transcend it to any kind of degree.

(Like what the guy said above)
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No, it will be 1-A if the context prove transcened the concept of space-time at all degree and level, you can't be Low 1-A with that kind of context
 
KakarotGoku said:
It is not bound by the concept of space because of space being only Aleph 1 at mathematics at best, you could consider Aleph 2 to bigger cardinals dimensionallity a extended space i guess, but still not bound by it in a way.
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Aleph 2 dimensions is still part of space because thats aleph 2 number of spatial dimensions
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
Aleph 2 dimensions is still part of space because thats aleph 2 number of spatial dimensions
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Yes but still unbound by it in a way since the main concept of Aleph 2 is being bigger than any lower alephs real coordinate space is at best Aleph 1 so Aleph 2 is completely unreachable to the main limits of space.

The aleph 2 spaces yatta yatta are just extended versions(technically) that is completely unbound by real coordinate space which mainly where space revolves at and bassically the biggest space can get by themselves.
 
KakarotGoku said:
Yes but still unbound by it in a way since the main concept of Aleph 2 is being bigger than any lower alephs real coordinate space is at best Aleph 1 so Aleph 2 is completely unreachable to the main limits of space.

The aleph 2 spaces yatta yatta are just extended versions(technically) that is completely unbound by real coordinate space which mainly where space revolves at and bassically the biggest space can get by themselves.
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Why is being bigger than "any lower alephs" mean you're unreachable by "main limits of space"? Where is this main limit from?

How can that be the biggest space can get by itself?
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
Why is being bigger than "any lower alephs" mean you're unreachable by "main limits of space"? Where is this main limit from?

How can that be the biggest space can get by itself?
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It is because of real coordinate space this space is the biggest space can get without invoking higher alephs and extending it.

Aleph 2 is mainly unreachable to space because of it being completely bigger than any space corresspondance real coordinate space can have.

Space reaching 1a and so is clearly just it being extended so 1a is a space beyond space type of thing.
 
KakarotGoku said:
It is because of real coordinate space this space is the biggest space can get without invoking higher alephs and extending it.

Aleph 2 is mainly unreachable to space because of it being completely bigger than any space corresspondance real coordinate space can have.

Space reaching 1a and so is clearly just it being extended so 1a is a space beyond space type of thing.
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it is still bound by space
 
KakarotGoku said:
It is because of real coordinate space this space is the biggest space can get without invoking higher alephs and extending it.

Aleph 2 is mainly unreachable to space because of it being completely bigger than any space corresspondance real coordinate space can have.

Space reaching 1a and so is clearly just it being extended so 1a is a space beyond space type of thing.
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It is because of real coordinate space this space is the biggest space can get without invoking higher alephs and extending it.
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Source?

Aleph 2 is mainly unreachable to space because of it being completely bigger than any space corresspondance real coordinate space can have.
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Source?

Space reaching 1a and so is clearly just it being extended so 1a is a space beyond space type of thing.
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What does this have to do with anything
 
Vietthai96 said:
No, it will be 1-A if the context prove transcened the concept of space-time at all degree and level, you can't be Low 1-A with that kind of contextwhat
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what does that mean? Because you said before that, that wouldn't work. "No, the site nuked the conceptual thing being special long ago, at best you get Low 1-C from this.'
 
Meez said:
what does that mean? Because you said before that, that wouldn't work. "No, the site nuked the conceptual thing being special long ago, at best you get Low 1-C from this.'
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normally, if there is just a transcending concept of space-time alone, no futher explaination, context, etc.................. you hardly get any tier due to the site nuke the conceptual thing being special long ago, back then transcending concept was treated pretty high, which could get you tier 1-A to 0 like KING said. However nowaday it is not, while you still can get soemthing from transcending concept, you need extremely good evidences, in-deep explaination, contexts, etc... to get tier like 1-A to 0
 
Vietthai96 said:
normally, if there is just a transcending concept of space-time alone, no futher explaination, context, etc.................. you hardly get any tier due to the site nuke the conceptual thing being special long ago, back then transcending concept was treated pretty high, which could get you tier 1-A to 0 like KING said. However nowaday it is not, while you still can get soemthing from transcending concept, you need extremely good evidences, in-deep explaination, contexts, etc... to get tier like 1-A to 0
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May I know why they got nuked? I am still wondering how boundless beings are still bound by space if they fully transcend the concept of time and space? It just makes no sense to me. One is who is beyond the concept of spacetime aka but still bound by it...
 
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
They are. Im saying they dont transcend the concepts of space and time completely.
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Clarify? When someone explicitly shows that he transcends the concept of time and space completely and is beyond it, how boundless character is still bound by that?
 
Dread said:
Clarify. When someone explicitly shows that he transcends the concept of time and space completely and is beyond it, how boundless character is still bound by that?
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Read the tiering system. Nowhere does it say that they transcend the concept of space and time.

They are just a very high number of dimensions (Inaccessible Cardinals and stuff)
 
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
Read the tiering system. Nowhere does it say that they transcend the concept of space and time.

They are just a very high number of dimensions (Inaccessible Cardinals and stuff)
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Ofc nowhere it says... my question still stands, how boundless character is still bound by space if he transcends the concept of space?
Besides, I never said, it gives you a tier, it just makes no sense to be bound by smth that you are already transcending it (even the concept? lol)
 
Dread said:
if he transcends the concept of space?
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They don't (not completely)

To quote the FAQ
As specified above, a "dimension" is nothing more than a set of values representing a given direction within a system, and a multi-dimensional space can itself be thought of as a multiplication of several "copies" of these sets. For instance, the 3-dimensional space in which we live is often visualized as the set of all 3-tuples of real numbers (Thus, taking its values from the real number line, R), and is thus the result of the iterated multiplication: R x R x R = R³, likewise, 4-dimensional space is the set of all 4-tuples of real numbers, and is thus equal to R x R x R x R = R⁴, and so on and so forth.

Practically speaking, this means that there is no limit for the number of dimensions which a space can have whatsoever, and one can construct spaces whose dimension corresponds to any cardinal number, including the infinite ones mentioned above. It is not even necessary for us to restrict ourselves to values taken from the real numbers, either: It is also possible to define the space of all n-tuples of cardinal numbers (Which takes its values from V, the class of all sets)

As a result, it is not at all feasible to take any statements involving a character existing "beyond dimensions" at face value, as this would lead to extremely inflated ratings largely dependent on No-Limits Fallacies. Therefore, such descriptors are to be evaluated while taking into account the number of dimensions which the verse has been shown to entertain; for example, a character stated to exist above physical dimensions in relation to a 4-dimensional cosmology would be Low 1-C with no further context.
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