Anos Vs Crota

[Orioreeem]

I'm 98% sure that even if someone with Sword Logic kills something like an avatar or something that doesn't have all the abilities of something else connected to the thing their killing, they'd still gain all the abilities of the thing their killing+the true form/true power or whatever.

This is fine but in MG you need to be able to affect the source to do this

 

[azontr]

This is fine but in MG you need to be able to affect the source to do this

Sword Logic doesn't need to effect the source to do this.

 

[Dereck03]

If I recall, a ton of Vex TFs(true forms) are

Link? because the last battles against Anos, destiny could not affect NEP2.

"Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Types 2, 3 & Aspect Types 1, 2, 3; Graham remains as nothingness with a nonexistent "source" after his "normal source" (concept) is destroyed[5], and his true nature is that of a pure nothingness without reason that takes place after his nothingness (and nonexistent "source") has been destroyed, with him being able to reform his existence even from the pure nothingness that remains whenever he wants to[6]. Additionally, not even Venuzdonoa is capable of erasing his nothingness permanently[7])"

Oh yeah, now I'm in the good meat, why is that last part not simply resistance to Venuzdonoa's haxes? Oh, and also, why is basically the rest not just regeneration?

What exactly are you trying to demonstrate here? No resistance is needed as Vennuzdonoa could not destroy his nothingness permanently because there was a time limit on the situation. So, to be left as the Concept of Nothingness after your concept was destroyed (being able to act, attack and do whatever it pleases as a concept of nothingness) and then be reduced to pure nothingness over the concept of nothingness where every time it was destroyed more nothingness becomes and impossible to affect is just regeneration? A little cringe that nothingness is only regeneration.

I'm 98% sure that even if someone with Sword Logic kills something like an avatar or something that doesn't have all the abilities of something else connected to the thing their killing, they'd still gain all the abilities of the thing their killing+the true form/true power or whatever.

Pretty sure that's how a bunch of Destiny characters farmed the ever-living **** out of strength and hax through Sword Logic lmao.

But the true form of those do not have TD 2 or NEP 2, unlike Anos which do, so if there is no NPI to those then there is no way it can affect the source.

 

[azontr]

But the true form of those do not have TD 2 or NEP 2, unlike Anos which do, so if there is no NPI to those then there is no way it can affect the source.

Since when does having TD 2 and NEP 2 protect against Power Mimicry and Reactive Evolution, though???

 

[Orioreeem]

Sword Logic doesn't need to effect the source to do this.

It isn't a weakness from MG it's because their powers come from their source.

 

[Orioreeem]

Since when does having TD 2 and NEP 2 protect against Power Mimicry

Since the time when you can't interact with the thing you are trying to copy?

 

[Dereck03]

Since when does having TD 2 and NEP 2 protect against Power Mimicry and Reactive Evolution, though???

In this case yes, because the powers explicitly come from the power that emits the source and if you are not able to nullify or affect the source, then these powers cannot be negated, that is because no one but Venuzdonoa, Evansmana, Eques or Graham have been able to nullify Anos' power.

 

[azontr]

But the thing is that Sword Logic doesn't need to interact with the source though. It has worked without needing to interact or effect what it is copying before. If it didn't, Oryx wouldn't have been able to farm the **** out of strength through it.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Link? because the last battles against Anos, destiny could not affect NEP2.

What exactly are you trying to demonstrate here? No resistance is needed as Vennuzdonoa could not destroy his nothingness permanently because there was a time limit on the situation. So, to be left as the Concept of Nothingness after your concept was destroyed (being able to act, attack and do whatever it pleases as a concept of nothingness) and then be reduced to pure nothingness over the concept of nothingness where every time it was destroyed more nothingness becomes and impossible to affect is just regeneration? A little cringe that nothingness is only regeneration.

But the true form of those do not have TD 2 or NEP 2, unlike Anos which do, so if there is no NPI to those then there is no way it can affect the source.

You'll see

Which should be on both Anos's, and Graham's profiles lmfao

Yet the POWERS were the things effected, you'd need to prove Anos's powers are TD2 and such to suggest Crota can't copy em.

 

[Orioreeem]

Is there anyone in destiny whos power come from different things other then their bodies and SL could copy it with absolutely 0 chance of it being able to interact with the source of that power? If so I'll concede on that point.

 

[azontr]

Is there anyone in destiny whos power come from different things other then their bodies and SL could copy it with absolutely 0 chance of it being able to interact with the source of that power? If so I'll concede on that point.

An example that comes to mind if Oryx(or Auryx at the time) fighting against Akka, Worm of Secrets lol.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Is there anyone in destiny whos power come from different things other then their bodies and SL could copy it with absolutely 0 chance of it being able to interact with the source of that power? If so I'll concede on that point.

All hive with Oversouls, Guardians, Oryx himself, want me to keep going?

 

[DaReaperMan]

An example that comes to mind if Oryx(or Auryx at the time) fighting against Akka, Worm of Secrets lol.

That's another one too!

 

[Orioreeem]

Yet the POWERS were the things effected, you'd need to prove Anos's powers are TD2 and such to suggest Crota can't copy em.

We assume that if you who is acausal is source of the powers, powers are also acausal. That's why you can't power null someone who is type 5 acausal if you can't interact with them

 

[azontr]

We assume that if you who is acausal is source of the powers, powers are also acausal. That's why you can't power null someone who is type 5 acausal if you can't interact with them

....No. We don't. We have never done that ever. Lmfao.

 

[Orioreeem]

Then why can't you power null someone who is type 5 acausal if you can't interact with him.

 

[azontr]

Just because you cannot effect them doesn't mean you can't effect their powers.

 

[Orioreeem]

Asked that question once and got a different answer. How can i look for that thread ?

 

[Orioreeem]

Found it

 

[azontr]

Whoever told you that was wrong then lol.

I don't know why in hell we would assume that just because someone has AC Type 5 that they'd be unable to power nulled. Yes, you wouldn't be able to interact with the person themselves, but there is nothing saying that the ability itself cannot be nullified. That's just dumb.

 

[Orioreeem]

I got the answer from stuff so it's probably right

 

[azontr]

*Staff

That particular staff is incorrect.

 

[Orioreeem]

Proof? Do you have any other staff opinion that disagrees with his?

 

[azontr]

I disagree with his opinion because it's stupid and incorrect lol. I have no idea why in the world we would assume just because someone is non-existent or ACA Type 5 we would assume their powers cannot be nullified.

If you agree with him then you can call him here or try to prove the point yourself, but I do not believe he is at all correct, and won't budge unless presented with a sufficient counter-argument instead of "he's staff so he's right".

 

[Orioreeem]

No need to call actually. He gave his answer and I don't see a reason why someone would take your word over staff's

 

[azontr]

I don't care if they take my word or not. Disprove my opinion or be quiet about it.

 

[Orioreeem]

I mean don't know how i would disprove an opinion but you can also make a new QnA thread if you want.

 

[azontr]

You would disprove me just as you would disprove any other claim or assertation in a debate lol. If you think I'm incorrect then just make an argument to prove I'm wrong.

 

[Orioreeem]

Your argument is basically It doesn't make sense to me so it must be false.

 

[azontr]

Which is a perfectly fine argument. If you think it makes sense explain how it does make sense.

 

[Orioreeem]

I just follow standards

 

[azontr]

Then we'll just have to wait for staff or some shit or I'll have to make a staff discussion thread or whatever.

 

[Orioreeem]

Agree

 

[091Franky]

Then why can't you power null someone who is type 5 acausal if you can't interact with him.

Just because you cannot affect them doesn't mean you cannot null their power. Touhou characters, madoka matches would've ended in stomp rather than incon lots of time if that were the case, Characters from tokyo babel have aca 5 but they mostly incon because their other power gets resisted

 

[Orioreeem]

Madoka matches do end in stomp, if not Anos would've shared spot with her on non smurf strongest list as for Touhou it's incon because if they are in their TD 2 form they can't really do anything.

 

[Delta333]

Just because his source is acausal and transdual doesn't mean everything from him automatically have such nature at all, it must be common sense

 

[azontr]

Just because his source is acausal and transdual doesn't mean everything from him automatically have such nature at all, it must be common sense

Wait are you being sarcastic or are you actually agreeing with me.

 

[Delta333]

Wait are you being sarcastic or are you actually agreeing with me.

I mean why I should disagree with you

 

[azontr]

idfk

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Inconclusive. Neither can put each other down.