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Sure but you don't need to trashtalking him or something like that
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25 things I dislike about VS debating (and VSB)
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Bobsican
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1: Usage of fanart in pages, especially when there's official art. I couldn't care less that you dislike pixel art or Peppa Pig-level doodles for your "beloved" characters, that's the best representation an author has given, and to go with whatever you find online gives a big sense of unprofessionalism, arbitrary bias, headcanon (come on, fanart is very prone to change body proportions, shades and details of a character as much it isn't meant to be faithful beyond a representation) and plagiarism out of using something without authorization of the artist.
2: How currently tier 1 is all based in perspective of a "main cosmology", so even if a setting goes normal for a good while, then the plot has a twist of it seeing Y as fictional and being regarded as higher-d in relation to it, that makes the fictional thing just tier 11 instead regardless of statements or lore, especially when by that logic we'd be nerfing plenty of tier 1 series too as they have the tier 1 thing as more prominent than the 3-D one to begin with.
3: How over half of the verse-specific powers and abilities on the site are just physiology pages, I even kinda regret being the one introducing the concept.
4: How we rate any hax that can affect a tier 1 or above as smurfy and thus inherently ignores any resistance on tier 2s and below, when that's really just range IMO, as much as being able to affect the entirety of a universe with time stop isn't inherently more powerful for the purposes of comparing to a resistance than doing so in a select area, or vice-versa. Sure, the power may travel uncountable infinities and whatever, but that'd be like saying someone with infinite speed has inherently High 3-A AP.
5: As an extension of the first point, using non-canon art for a character's main page, for example, using a Super Smash Bros render for a main canon page, it implies we accept them as the same canon when that's far from the truth.
6: Also having galleries in general, especially when it's quite irrelevant stuff for our purposes like concept art or different sorts of official art (I'll totally cringe if it's fanart) that are just the exact same character appearance with no changes to begin with, for example, featuring renders for Mario with the exact same appearance but just with different poses or style out of changes in art direction at most.
7: How the Varies tier is handled, we should have a tier for characters whose power actually varies between A and B (like Ditto), not for characters that are pretty inconsistent and just have a low-end in A and an high-end in B, the fact both meanings are oddly mixed up yet we don't allow a Varies character to be in any point between A and B for a match is just terrible to say the least. Like, "X tier, possibly/likely Y tier" exists, that'd be way less misleading for inconsistent cases than to just say "Varies from A tier to B tier" in either case.
8: How NSFW verses aren't allowed. While I can understand that it's a big no no from Fandom and all, I think there's plenty of NSFW series to index with legitimate feats and all. Like we all know how Monster Girl Quest was among the strongest 2-A series on the site, and even had plans for a tier 1 upgrade at some point. Your "Oh no, they're mating on screen" is as valid as "Oh no, he got bisected in half graphically", just don't feature these images.
9: Crossovers. Even with the recent revisions I still think the site is way too strict on their usage for any purpose, sure, they may tend to basically have both series on the same level for the sake of the plot, but that's not inherently unusable as in-plot explanations can happen, let alone with inherent powers they'd carry back not having any possible contradictions
10: Seeing users do way more than some staff members, yet never are nominated to be staff themselves.
2: How currently tier 1 is all based in perspective of a "main cosmology", so even if a setting goes normal for a good while, then the plot has a twist of it seeing Y as fictional and being regarded as higher-d in relation to it, that makes the fictional thing just tier 11 instead regardless of statements or lore, especially when by that logic we'd be nerfing plenty of tier 1 series too as they have the tier 1 thing as more prominent than the 3-D one to begin with.
3: How over half of the verse-specific powers and abilities on the site are just physiology pages, I even kinda regret being the one introducing the concept.
4: How we rate any hax that can affect a tier 1 or above as smurfy and thus inherently ignores any resistance on tier 2s and below, when that's really just range IMO, as much as being able to affect the entirety of a universe with time stop isn't inherently more powerful for the purposes of comparing to a resistance than doing so in a select area, or vice-versa. Sure, the power may travel uncountable infinities and whatever, but that'd be like saying someone with infinite speed has inherently High 3-A AP.
5: As an extension of the first point, using non-canon art for a character's main page, for example, using a Super Smash Bros render for a main canon page, it implies we accept them as the same canon when that's far from the truth.
6: Also having galleries in general, especially when it's quite irrelevant stuff for our purposes like concept art or different sorts of official art (I'll totally cringe if it's fanart) that are just the exact same character appearance with no changes to begin with, for example, featuring renders for Mario with the exact same appearance but just with different poses or style out of changes in art direction at most.
7: How the Varies tier is handled, we should have a tier for characters whose power actually varies between A and B (like Ditto), not for characters that are pretty inconsistent and just have a low-end in A and an high-end in B, the fact both meanings are oddly mixed up yet we don't allow a Varies character to be in any point between A and B for a match is just terrible to say the least. Like, "X tier, possibly/likely Y tier" exists, that'd be way less misleading for inconsistent cases than to just say "Varies from A tier to B tier" in either case.
8: How NSFW verses aren't allowed. While I can understand that it's a big no no from Fandom and all, I think there's plenty of NSFW series to index with legitimate feats and all. Like we all know how Monster Girl Quest was among the strongest 2-A series on the site, and even had plans for a tier 1 upgrade at some point. Your "Oh no, they're mating on screen" is as valid as "Oh no, he got bisected in half graphically", just don't feature these images.
9: Crossovers. Even with the recent revisions I still think the site is way too strict on their usage for any purpose, sure, they may tend to basically have both series on the same level for the sake of the plot, but that's not inherently unusable as in-plot explanations can happen, let alone with inherent powers they'd carry back not having any possible contradictions
10: Seeing users do way more than some staff members, yet never are nominated to be staff themselves.
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Make me wonder what tiers Taimanin series would get? 
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I do see that happen a lot. But for me, I wouldn't really necessarily say I did "way more" than the Image Helpers in that context. I mean, I helped a lot people with their Renders, especially the times when some requests got ignored. If anything, I helped out just as much as the others did. And yet I never got promoted for them.
Lou_change
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Normally if any acknowledgment is given it is like thanks everyone when it was only one or two people.
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While I obviously agree with non 4-B superman - for almost all eras - I don't think performing a 1 kilofoe feat casually means he is at least billion times stronger than that.
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Bobsican
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weak, be relentless.
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Half the issues I'd like to tackle would get me kicked off the wiki for trying to destablilize it like separating knowledge from intelligence. The science bias is needless and stupid
Edit: I also have an ongoing revision rn which was put on hold for 1.5 years now. Goes to show just how "easy" it is to make such revisions
Edit: I also have an ongoing revision rn which was put on hold for 1.5 years now. Goes to show just how "easy" it is to make such revisions
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TheGreatJedi13
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speaking of downgrades. i dislike people who downgrade or disagree with the ratings but do not plan ahead enough to offer alternative or better ratings basically putting the verse in limbo and leaving people to talk about it in the CRT and not helping with finding alternatives.
yeah we know you didn't like our speed but you offer nothing. like seriously be more considerate to the profiles and followers who have to revise it afterwards
yeah we know you didn't like our speed but you offer nothing. like seriously be more considerate to the profiles and followers who have to revise it afterwards
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@TheGreatJedi13 I started to get uncomfortable with your frontal attitude
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I actually remembered what I wanted to put as 25
There being one really dumb feat everyone scales to and anything that could possibly go against it gets called AoE fallacy or cinematic time even if there is no evidence for either being the case.
There being one really dumb feat everyone scales to and anything that could possibly go against it gets called AoE fallacy or cinematic time even if there is no evidence for either being the case.
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I didnt do it purpose, ok?
TheGreatJedi13
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This is the attitude i keep to myself because tbh it has no place in debating and more of my personal thoughts about things I dislike. but the thread seems to talk about dislike
wait are you thinking it was you? no not really the whole Genshin thing was way long before and isn't really something I'm too salty about I'm just very adamant in things I believe that's why we had disagreements. Sorry if it felt like I was talking about you. i was reading the comments and replies about working on old verses revision (king tempest's comment) that have so much media content then I remembered some other verse that has only few active supporters now like Disgea or nipponverse. a verse getting deleted or left into limbo is such a painful things to see. specially with the recent deletion of masadaverse until it will be up to standards again.
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Wait, what genshin thing? I dont think I've ever made a CRT on genshin.
TheGreatJedi13
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well the only thing i remember about us having heavy disagreements and arguments is in genshin so I don't really know if there are other things that you guys mistook me being passive-aggressive with my comment...
like seriously I'm confused I have nothing against you at all
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Well, I did mention in my 25 that I accidentally managed to put all of adventure time into an edless limbo of having literally no accepted stats over the last 2 years. I thought u were refering to that.
TheGreatJedi13
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oh my bad i didn't read that yet when I made my comment I was reading kingtempest comment way up in this page
.i thought I accidentally did something very wrong I should really finish reading the entire thread before making comments even in fun and games
Sorry
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What? Nah it's fine. Not like my reply was all that serious anyways. loloh my bad i didn't read that yet when I made my comment I was reading kingtempest comment way up in this page
i thought I accidentally did something very wrong I should really finish reading the entire thread before making comments even in fun and games
Sorry
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elaborate :OO
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I mean, literally what it says. I started a revision on getting rid of (most) cooling and cloud calcs, bcoz they are stupid and needlessly inflate stats and cause awful inconsistencies in scaling. Oh, also, our resoning for why they make sense is way off, so the way we calc them isnt rly representative of the actual feat.d
Jibz
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slide me the thread to that sounds like an interesting read.
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Yeah but still, it's kinda uncomfortable
Even this thread alone already made me uncomfortable lel
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People misuse the AoE fallacy argument quite often; one thing is that a 8-B does not need to destroy the most of a skyscraper when it hit it, but if the character strikes section of the building it needs to cause damage, so if a 8-B hits a wall and do not destroy the section it stroke, that's an anti-feat.
The cinematic timing thing relates to selective choose of physics, users prioritize the scene elements that would grant the highest speed, i.e, between an electric projectile and a falling object they calculate using the supposed speed of the projectile as reference (like assuming is supersonic or even mhs), and ignore that the falling object when this would suggest a different speed rating.
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I’m not involved in the BFDI verse but I’ve stumbled upon the profiles and they hurt, it’s pretty much just “toon force so this character can be either High 7-C or high 4-C” which is bs since there’s SO many planetary and a few star level calcs for the verse just because the cartoon character in a cartoon where dying is a running gag died to some random weak explosion/fall/attack or whatever doesn’t mean that they are on that level. It’s called an outlier.
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Rikimarox2
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I have never seen a verse with more opponents, ever.
Pretty sure, if I added a straight-up **** fantasy series, it'll still be less controversial than this.
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I understood that a supporter is someone that likes the serie and follows it from a vsdebating point of view, mienwhile a nuetral user is one the likes the serie but has no interest in participating in vsdebating stuff.... but then you have the opponent and what, is som eone that has a grudge against the serie, or does like the serie but oppose to it being used for vsdebates? Or perhaps opposses the current rating of the serie, in which case it going to change its position as supporter/opponent when the stats are changed?
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then how the hell Redo of Healer get their profiles with that many opponents then?
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verses aren't disallowed based on how hated they are. I think the only verse that actually qualifies for that is suggsverse.
Noneless21
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i heard it's because of the verse is battleboarding verse is it how it called?
Noneless21
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i mean it is a parody of some sort, and if it ain't purposefully make the protag go OP then ig it's allowed at FCOC
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We have rules for what verses are allowed. If it's popular enough and not made by someone here on the wiki it should be fine, regardless of how dumb.
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