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About the New Style for profiles
- Thread starter Zencha9
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Last I checked, this change wasn't actually mandatory or anything.
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I hate it, personally. Takes up a lot of space, looks ugly and is not even easier to read.
Zencha9
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i know it isn't but for example a verse i like is danganronpa and i personally don't like the new style for junko
so what happens am i gonna duke it out, rock paper scissor to decide the style with @ElixirBlue or what
so what happens am i gonna duke it out, rock paper scissor to decide the style with @ElixirBlue or what
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Word of advice, don't. Personal experience.
And yes, this editing style is not mandatory. Frankly put, this would straight up stop ******* working on big profiles like Dante, Kratos or even Kirby. On big profiles with a shitton of abilities, bullet-pointing and multiple tabbers will be the bane of your existence.
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Same, I loathe it.
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Yeah, I like it for certain profiles myself, but I fully agree it's not suitable for all profiles. This is exactly why it isn't mandatory.
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I was actually referring to abstain from using bullet points for these large profiles and going the tabber within a tabber within a tabber within a tabber format like on Sonic.
Oliver_de_jesus
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So a Hyper Tabber?
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Thought so.what
is
that
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I can understand people not liking it from a subjective, aesthetic perspective but it is inherently superior for readability.
Even if not every profile benefits from it, I suspect the majority will be improved compared to having a pure wall of text.
It takes up more space generally, true, but it is nowhere near as ugly as the previous appearance for the Power & Abilities section, and it actually lines up more with the rest of the profile's formatting like the Notable Attacks sections or the bolding on the ratings for statistics.
Justifications can take up less space thanks to references or note sections so the profiles won't be as long.
I have to put the objective readability of the profiles above people's personal taste in aesthetics tbh.
Even if not every profile benefits from it, I suspect the majority will be improved compared to having a pure wall of text.
It takes up more space generally, true, but it is nowhere near as ugly as the previous appearance for the Power & Abilities section, and it actually lines up more with the rest of the profile's formatting like the Notable Attacks sections or the bolding on the ratings for statistics.
Justifications can take up less space thanks to references or note sections so the profiles won't be as long.
I have to put the objective readability of the profiles above people's personal taste in aesthetics tbh.
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To be honest, I think this is fine to me. It makes finding certain abilities they have much easier without you trying to have to squint to look for them in a massive paragraph, especially when said abilities are not bolded.
However, if you don’t like to see that format all the time, I suggest you should only use that formula on characters with too many abilities for better organization.
However, if you don’t like to see that format all the time, I suggest you should only use that formula on characters with too many abilities for better organization.
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Don't make objective claims like this, that's up to opinion too, a "wall of text" profile needs you to move your eyes less and linking to only one or two words causes the color contrast to help with readability, when you need to scroll and look around way more to analyze the same amount of information, that's worse in my book
Oh yeah that's gonna help with readability, putting half the P&A section at the bottom of the page while the rest is at the top.
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Okay then, 99% of the time from my experience, a list has been better for displaying info than a wall of text.
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In my own experience, very little profiles are improved by making information more dispersed and disjointed, so again, subjective
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This might be a bit off-topic, but something that I wish more profiles (especially ones that are wall of text or have too many blue links) did was bold the abilities of a character, and leave the scans normal as is. It makes reading through them so much easier, and makes it harder for you to skip some random hax while checking their abilities.
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Putting info in notes "disperses" it on order to keep pages from being bloated.
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And forces someone to constantly reference two different locations in the page at once to interpret what could all be in one place.
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That could be worth trying for some of mine, actually
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Would it be possible to shorten the point from which the box starts to scroll? Like, it appears long because the box is long and starts to scroll only after awhile, if we could reduce this the problem would be solved.
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My overall opinion is that we could make CRTs and such to update characters and let people debate on whether or not the new format would be an improvement.
Same goes for bolded abilities, it looks good when there's a decent amount of text in-between most abilities, but sometimes the powers are either self-explanatory or are described in other sections, which makes the overall block of bolded blue text hard to look at.
Same goes for bolded abilities, it looks good when there's a decent amount of text in-between most abilities, but sometimes the powers are either self-explanatory or are described in other sections, which makes the overall block of bolded blue text hard to look at.
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The Notables Techniques/Abilities was suppossed to cover that kind of format, like, you write X Power (Via Y ability) and then you go to the Notable Techniques to the the ability's description (unless the power is pretty simply, in which case one simply writes the description within parentheses).
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Agreed, this is what I do with prominent and complex abilities whose comprehensive description requires more than a few sentences.
Like, if a character has Body Control because they grow wings on their back, then it can stay in the P&A, but if they have masterful control over fire with then thousand applications, then it should be reserved for the NP&A, leaving only "Fire Manipulation" in the P&A.
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The scrollbox is adjustable in height, yes.
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I agree with Saman's proposal, make it to where you have to make a CRT first before you can apply this new bullet-point style, as obviously not all profiles work with this format. Mainly those with a short list of powers, who I doubt Damage was making this new format for since this is clearly for those big profiles that go in-depth on characters with a library of powers, in that case I think it is a great change from the huge blobs of blue text that it could be. It is just objectively easier to read since all the powers are separated from each other.
The big argument from the looks of things, across every single discussion both here and on Discord is that it looks ugly, and to be frank I ******* hate it when people argue aesthetic. I get the argument, but I really don't get why one should argue about it. Vs Battles Wiki is an indexing website first and foremost, our goal is to present the stats, qualities and information of a thing (character, weapon, civilization, etc). While I do think it is ideal to present said information in a way that is easy to digest, and the way I see it, Damage came up with a solution or at the very least opened up the gates to allow us to come up with a better solution than just slapping it all into one big pile of blue text that only the utmost patient are going to read through (that or we just go with Shmooply's suggestion on bolding the powers, I've seen this on CSaP and it works). Saying that a profile is bad solely because of this, which I have seen people actually say, is like saying a room is bad just because of the window dressing.
I know my words are going to be overtaken by a staff member with a big colorful, fancy name, I just wanted to give my take on this.
Note: There are also some oddball examples like that Sonic profile, but that is just a "quirk" of the actual profile. I like big profiles that are rich with information, but yikes.
The big argument from the looks of things, across every single discussion both here and on Discord is that it looks ugly, and to be frank I ******* hate it when people argue aesthetic. I get the argument, but I really don't get why one should argue about it. Vs Battles Wiki is an indexing website first and foremost, our goal is to present the stats, qualities and information of a thing (character, weapon, civilization, etc). While I do think it is ideal to present said information in a way that is easy to digest, and the way I see it, Damage came up with a solution or at the very least opened up the gates to allow us to come up with a better solution than just slapping it all into one big pile of blue text that only the utmost patient are going to read through (that or we just go with Shmooply's suggestion on bolding the powers, I've seen this on CSaP and it works). Saying that a profile is bad solely because of this, which I have seen people actually say, is like saying a room is bad just because of the window dressing.
I know my words are going to be overtaken by a staff member with a big colorful, fancy name, I just wanted to give my take on this.
Note: There are also some oddball examples like that Sonic profile, but that is just a "quirk" of the actual profile. I like big profiles that are rich with information, but yikes.
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@Gewsbumpz_dude; I appreciate the support.
I've always thought CRT's are the best way for people to discuss it ahead of implementing it, and why I suggested that this not be mandatory thing.
I've always thought CRT's are the best way for people to discuss it ahead of implementing it, and why I suggested that this not be mandatory thing.
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The new style is 100% gonna be be on every profile with enough time and everyone is gonna wonder why the Hell they used to be formatted like Yugioh cards
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A pyramid of tabbers like that is a bit extreme. Also for some reason scrollboxes are being used there even though the power lists aren't big enough to warrant scrollboxes.
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No it isn’t. Until I’m missing something it’s not mandatory.
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... Ignoring that take...
I mean no offense by this but ElixirBlue is absolutely not using this format properly, as I understand it's for mid-size P&A with a lot of explanation to them, but they've been using it for the most basic profiles possible and IMO it's just ugly, especially when tabbers are involved
I mean no offense by this but ElixirBlue is absolutely not using this format properly, as I understand it's for mid-size P&A with a lot of explanation to them, but they've been using it for the most basic profiles possible and IMO it's just ugly, especially when tabbers are involved
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@ElixirBlue; the scrollbox does not need to be used when the list of abilities is as short as that.
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I agree. Scrollboxes and bullet-points are flat-out unnecessary for profiles that short.
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The scrollboxes are unnecessary, but the bullet points don't harm it. It's just a better way of displaying info as a list than making it one paragraph.
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Bullet points for profiles with 4 abilities ending in one to two lines? Seriously?
It makes sense if it's within 15-20 abilities, but 4-5 abilities is just pushing it.
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