Immeasurable speed blazblue downgrade

[XXKINGXX69]

Why you don't prove that they can do that outside the boundary?

You made the claim they can't do it outside so you prove it

 

[Delta333]

The burden of proof is on the OP and his proposal, as always

Also, moving in the normal world wouldn't be any issue for them, so it's expected, if not obvious, that they will show their Immeasurable feats on the place where they need to

Because the whole feat related to immeasurable speed is involved with boundary, so I want to know that if they can do it outside or not

You made the claim they can't do it outside so you prove it

You made the claim they can do it outside so you prove it

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Because the whole feat related to immeasurable speed is involved with boundary, so I want to know that if they can do it outside or not

You made the claim they can do it outside so you prove it

If they can do it inside, they can do it outside. No evidence that they can only do it inside

Also, they can react to themselves when they are moving in the boundary. You need evidence that being in the boundary increases your reaction speed

 

[CurrySenpai]

I disagree with the CRT but agree with glassman.

 

[Delta333]

If they can do it inside, they can do it outside.

Reason?

Also, they can react to themselves when they are moving in the boundary. You need evidence that being in the boundary increases your reaction speed

Because if no one travel through time when outside the boundary then the boundary does increase their speed?

Btw I'm still neutral

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Reason?

Because if no one travel through time when outside the boundary then the boundary does increase their speed?

Btw I'm still neutral

You don't always travel through time with immeasurable speed. You can have speed equal to immeasurable without having time travel, if you scale to someone with immeasurable speed. Otherwise everyone with immeasurable speed on this wiki should have time travel

Nothing implies they can only do it inside. And I explained that they react to it anyways

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Uhh ohh smells like pretty good downgrade for some persona characters

By the way—no. Their immeasurable stems from fighting Demons, which are born in The Expanse, which is conceptually above space-time. They live, breathe, move, and even have aspects of themselves in there as entire universes.

 

[Orioreeem]

By the way—no. Their immeasurable stems from fighting Demons, which are beyond in The Expanse, which is conceptually above space-time.

Do you really get immeasurable if you are fighting in a place that is above 4D. I thought higher dimensions don't grant speed

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Do you really get immeasurable if you are fighting in a place that is above 4D. I thought higher dimensions don't grant speed

Its not even about dimensional tiering, its about moving through time and being beyond time. No idea why Milly said the expanse was beyond the concept of spacetime though

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Do you really get immeasurable if you are fighting in a place that is above 4D. I thought higher dimensions don't grant speed

From what I know, if you are naturally beyond space-time, which Demons are, you’re immeasurable. Beyond space-time as in, ontologically transcending it.

 

[Orioreeem]

Gonna have to make a QnA thread then

 

[Fixxed]

@Fixxed I just did in my first response, you see Jin and Terumi walking through the boundary. They’re literally doing it with speed, what part of this is headcanon?

Idk lol, why someone character casually walk in boundary Will granted immeasurable speed.

they can do it outside. No evidence that they can only do it inside

Nah, that's practically a burden of proof, because if you can go through time with sheer speed even without boundaries then 100% it will be immeasurable

what part of this is headcanon?

They literally able to go to the past in the same linear time?(not different realities).

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Idk lol, why someone character casually walk in boundary Will granted immeasurable speed.

Nah, that's practically a burden of proof, because if you can go through time with sheer speed even without boundaries then 100% it will be immeasurable



They literally able to go to the past in the same linear time?(not different realities).

You keep shifting burden of proof lmao, and you ignored my point about reaction speed

 

[Fixxed]

You keep shifting burden of proof lmao, and you ignored my point about reaction speed

That's not my point, my point in here about people who casually walking in boundary Will granted immeasurable speed.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

That's not my point, my point in here about people who casually walking in boundary Will granted immeasurable speed.

So you agree with immeasurable speed? Ok, this thread can be closed now

 

[Orioreeem]

So you agree with immeasurable speed? Ok, this thread can be closed now

Guy is very clearly not fluent in english, don't use that against him.

 

[Fixxed]

So if boundary have their own space- time, can you provide it.bif they can back in time but in the boundary world? (I mean boundary in here have their own time)

So you agree with immeasurable speed? Ok, this thread can be closed now

When baka? I think you have missunderstanding with my own point.

 

[Fixxed]

honestly from yesterday I didn't see their feats about going to the past with the same linear time, all I got was that they went to different realities

 

[XXKINGXX69]

I dont even understand this guy

 

[Theglassman12]

@Fixxed The black beast goes back in time every single timeline in the same linear time. It’s the entire story of Calamity Trigger.

@Delta333 there’s Terumi being able to go through alternate realities in Continuum Shift and he visits and observes every single one of them. On top of Izanami going through the embryo which is a literal multiverse all by herself.

 

[Fixxed]

The black beast goes back in time every single timeline in the same linear time. It’s the entire story of Calamity Trigger

Can you bring the scans?thank you

 

[AkumaNoHissatsu]

I dont even understand this guy

I understand what he means, maybe you can't understand it with your snail and small brain

They're arguing About the scans, and you can't even understand about it

 

[Theglassman12]

Stop with the insults, I will start reporting you guys in the RVR if this keeps up.

 

[AkumaNoHissatsu]

So you agree with immeasurable speed? Ok, this thread can be closed now

For sake God what happened to your reading comprehension

what he meant, he questioned the reason why "walking on the boundary can already grant immeasurable speed?"

 

[AkumaNoHissatsu]

Stop with the insults, I will start reporting you guys in the RVR if this keeps up.

About ragna, i forgot about this but

Isn't Ragna a bit different immeasurable with other immeasurable characters? I mean because he's living couldron

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Being unbound by first temporal dimension counts for immeasurable speed. Since conventional s=d/t formula cannot be applied to you.
Boundry is a dimension that is transcendent over space-time. Its can be equated to a 2nd temporal dimension. Thats why moving through Boundary physically counts as speed.

There's a character in Lord of Rings which has similar reason for immeasurable speed.
And in Sailor Moon too I believe.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Fixxed I just told you, it's the entire plot of Calamity Trigger. Ragna fight Nu in the present, only to lose every single time, they fuse as the black beast and go back in time to start the Dark War. Literally look up any story synopsis of Calamity trigger because that's literally what happens in the game.

@AkumaNoHissatsu He's an out of control cauldron as the black beast. The black beast is even stated in phase shift to be the boundary itself, which is beyond time and space as a whole.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Please, stop bringing up other verses to a BlazBlue CRT. Sailor Moon, LoTR, Persona, so many unnecessary strays.

 

[BleedingPeach]

Please, stop bringing up other verses to a BlazBlue CRT. Sailor Moon, LoTR, Persona, so many unnecessary strays.

What Milly said. Referencing other verses isn't a viable way to the verse in question.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

While I agree in straightforward cases external examples aren't necessary.
This isn't simple. Very rarely is it seen verses where immeasurable speed granted for physically traveling through higher dimensions or realms which act like 2nd or higher temporal dimension.
Sometimes showing why the reason is valid with other approved verses is only way of curbing skepticism.

 

[Fixxed]

@Fixxed I just told you, it's the entire plot of Calamity Trigger. Ragna fight Nu in the present, only to lose every single time, they fuse as the black beast and go back in time to start the Dark War. Literally look up any story synopsis of Calamity trigger because that's literally what happens in the game.

I have 0 knowledge about this verse, and that's why i want a scans. Or can you give me the keyword/link on YouTube so I can see it

 

[BleedingPeach]

Isn't the explanation blogs a way to say "Yeah, I still don't think it's Immeasurable"? I'm not saying you're wrong in your question but having the reference for said speed is one way to solve the scan problems... I think.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I have no stake here but:

Is this even immeasurable speed criteria?

Immeasurable speed was the speed that makes character moving with Sheer speed and Movement beyond linear time.

It can be, as detailed here

Immeasurable (Movement beyond linear time. This is why the speed cannot be measured. Given that S = D/T, if T is undefined the speed formula cannot be applied. This is the same reason why multiple temporal dimensions also grant immeasurable speed. For further information, see the "Further Explanations"-section below.)

But in this case well, our page seems to cover this point already

Speed isn't defined by any number of spatial dimensions but simply distance over time. Meaning that it is possible for 1-dimensional characters to be faster than those who cover many dimensions. And the distance between two timelines is defined as the 5th dimension (Or a 4th spatial dimension) that separates two or more universes. Said distance is often unknown as it could be anywhere between much smaller than the Universal radius and infinite. But such details are only known to those who can travel through additional spatial dimensions. For that reason, crossing Universes is unquantifiable for speed unless details are specifically stated.

So if they require going to another dimension first to time travel, then it would be some unknown speed rating that would need to be tacked onto a lower speed rating. Though if said alternate dimension acts as a timestream or something then it can be immeasurable. Like with Immortals from Dungeons and Dragons or Bulk Beings.

 

[Ikelaggan]

While I agree in straightforward cases external examples aren't necessary.
This isn't simple. Very rarely is it seen verses where immeasurable speed granted for physically traveling through higher dimensions or realms which act like 2nd or higher temporal dimension.
Sometimes showing why the reason is valid with other approved verses is only way of curbing skepticism.

You remember GG next door neighbor that had underworld hill transcendent of time and dudes like izuna bringing in immeasurable speed well before it scrubbed of everyone but I-no's profile. That's about the closest example of getting immeasurable speed off of higher dimensionality and higher temporal dimensions you got to throw on the platter.

 

[Qawsedf234]

That's about the closest example of getting immeasurable speed off of higher dimensionality and higher temporal dimensions you got to throw on the platter.

I mean, plenty of characters have that reasoning

Immeasurable (Immortals can move through the Emerald River, the physically embodiment of time with extreme ease. Immortals are beyond time and are utterly immune to spells like timestop, even when cast by stronger beings. Immortal level combat takes place in no time at all)

Immeasurable (Exists beyond time. 5D Imps can freely move through time and Hypertime. Perceives all past, present and future across all universes simultaneously)

Low Complex Multiverse level / Immeasurable (Bulk beings made time as a physical dimension to a lower 3-D space created inside their five-dimensional reality. Bulk beings are unbound by anything like infinite time and space and see all of the past and future as a lower dimension which they exist outside of and can physically interact with at any point.)

Immeasurable (All the Royal Knights are able to traverse through space time and move within areas that exist beyond space time. Capable of matching Demon Lord class Digimon, who are natives of the Dark Area, which is without time) | Immeasurable | Immeasurable (Comparable to Alphamon, who transcended space and time. Regularly travels throughout the past, present and future to access the terminals in Pendulum-X)

 

[Delta333]

@Delta333 there’s Terumi being able to go through alternate realities in Continuum Shift and he visits and observes every single one of them. On top of Izanami going through the embryo which is a literal multiverse all by herself.

Does Terumi going through alternate realities in that context mean traveling through time? Same as Izanami going through the multiverse, because without further information going through multiple universes/realities doesn't automatically grant immeasurable speed by default at all

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

So if boundary have their own space- time, can you

Then moving through this should also count.

I mean, plenty of characters have that reasoning

 

[Qawsedf234]

Then moving through this should also count.

That I'm not sure unless they use it to go back to the same world but in the past.

Since that looks like just a larger dimensional realm that universes float on.

Or to be more clear, just travelling through it wouldn't be Immeasurable. If, however, it is shown that they can go into the same universe but in the past and future rather than an alternate world you may have something there.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Fixxed skip to 10:40, it's a jokey recap but the general information is accurate.

@Qawsedf234 they can go back in the same world but in the past too, that's a big plot point in the first game.

@Delta333 Considering Izanami's going to alternate timelines with this, this would count for traveling through time. Terumi is moving back in time to alternate realities given Takamagahara always tries to control every possibility but he just hops to a new one every time he's done observing it.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

That I'm not sure unless they use it to go back to the same world but in the past.

Since that looks like just a larger dimensional realm that universes float on.

Or to be more clear, just travelling through it would be Immeasurable. If, however, it is shown that they can go into the same universe but in the past and future rather than an alternate world you may have something there.

Going to past or future is all that matters. Since thats why implies movement through time. Whether its in same world or towards different world from current one shouldn't matter.
Its just extraneous dimensional travel on top of time travel with help of physical movements.

So it shouldn't be a problem.